That's racist!

[1972 Grad]

Basically, yes. Instead of trying to understand why the statues matter to some people in his community, he talks down to them: "These statues don't matter, focus on black-on-black crime. This other issue doesn't matter, shut up about it, focus on black-on-black crime."

I don't believe they were focused on either while Obama was in office.

 

[SamRebel35]

Basically, yes. Instead of trying to understand why the statues matter to some people in his community, he talks down to them: "These statues don't matter, focus on black-on-black crime. This other issue doesn't matter, shut up about it, focus on black-on-black crime."

If you want a car that is in working order, a broken headlight matters. It matters less when your engine is not working. Fix the engine. Don't pretend like fixing the headlight is equally important toward the goal of getting your vehicle up and running.

 

[NashVol11]

What is the more pressing issue?

Something that triggers your feels?

Or a current community problem/crisis?

That misses the point. If this issue is important to black people and it's a wrong, let's right it, instead of telling them that it shouldn't be important to them.

 

[McDad]

Basically, yes. Instead of trying to understand why the statues matter to some people in his community, he talks down to them: "These statues don't matter, focus on black-on-black crime. This other issue doesn't matter, shut up about it, focus on black-on-black crime."

Barkley is offering his opinion (which has no more/less weight than anyone elses) as a way to tell hyper-mels to stay in their lane? Perhaps your objectivity is skewed.

I happen to agree with Barkley, though; so perhaps my objectivity is off.

 

[NashVol11]

If you want a car that is in working order, a broken headlight matters. It matters less when your engine is not working. Fix the engine. Don't pretend like fixing the headlight is equally important toward the goal of getting your vehicle up and running.

Are people doing this, though? I don't think anyone is talking about whether or not it's "equally important," for the most part, just that it needs to be fixed.

You'll eventually have to fix both anyway; if one of the two can be fixed in 5 seconds, let's just do it instead of coming up with reasons not to

 

[CABVOL]

You can what you will, I have no problem with black people or anyone else despising the Confederacy or it's memorials. Where you are making a mistake is thinking that taking down these statues and memorials is righting some kind of wrong.

Paying reparations rights the wrongs all those years ago. Don't you know?

 

[SamRebel35]

That misses the point. If this issue is important to black people and it's a wrong, let's right it, instead of telling them that it shouldn't be important to them.

It goes back to proportionality. One is an urgency crisis. The other is mostly a chance for virtue signaling and political posturing. If you spend a bulk of your time trying to virtue signal as opposed to fixing the crisis, you're not being logical.

 

[FLVOL_79]

That misses the point. If this issue is important to black people and it's a wrong, let's right it, instead of telling them that it shouldn't be important to them.

Yet if you focus on an actual non issue you will never deal with the current issues. That is why the black community is in the state that it is in.

In more simple terms..your house is burning down but your neighbor is blasting Johnny Rebel on his reel to reel quadraphonic stereo..what is the most important thing to do? Save your house by fighting the fire or yelling at the a-hole playing racist Klan music?

This isn't White people telling black people what to do and how to think, its common sense.

Being offended is the new in thing, I get it. You want to be offended by something to channel your rage so you choose statues. This is just another form of scapegoating. You don't want to suck it up and deal with the actual problems so people choose to fixate on something else to be angry at to feel better about themselves.

No one in the world advances by wallowing in the past (statues, rebel flag flying, etc). You an quote me on that one.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Paying reparations rights the wrongs all those years ago. Don't you know?

Reparations have been paid, it was called the Great Society.

 

[NashVol11]

Barkley is offering his opinion (which has no more/less weight than anyone elses) as a way to tell hyper-mels to stay in their lane? Perhaps your objectivity is skewed.

I happen to agree with Barkley, though; so perhaps my objectivity is off.

I am sure my objectivity is skewed, which is why I'm uncomfortable with the idea of me telling an entire minority group where they should place their focus. They have reasons for focusing on the things they do; rather than assuming that those are bad reasons, I'm better served by asking questions.

 

[SamRebel35]

Are people doing this, though? I don't think anyone is talking about whether or not it's "equally important," for the most part, just that it needs to be fixed.

You'll eventually have to fix both anyway; if one of the two can be fixed in 5 seconds, let's just do it instead of coming up with reasons not to

The black community has already spent disproportionately more time on the headlight (confederate monuments, hands up don't shoot, Baltimore) than on getting the engine fixed. You are saying both are important. Then treat them like they are both important! How do you get the engine fixed if all you're doing is obsessing about the headlight?

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

That misses the point. If this issue is important to black people and it's a wrong, let's right it, instead of telling them that it shouldn't be important to them.

Why is it all of a sudden important? We didn't hear anything at all about Confederate statues 10-20 years ago. Now it's the most important thing out there. It's like Confederate monuments weren't an issue at all until the liberal media started making it one.

 

[hog88]

Seems like we mostly agree, other than the bold, to which my response would be that yes, some do have different opinions on what glorifying is, or on whether we are righting a wrong; it may be wise to remember that statement about differing opinions when you tell me I am "making a mistake" or am wrong about what they mean.

The wrong was "righted" when hundreds of thousands of southerners died during the war. When houses and property were burned and looted.

You won and righted the wrong.

 

[NashVol11]

It goes back to proportionality. One is an urgency crisis. The other is mostly a chance for virtue signaling and political posturing. If you spend a bulk of your time trying to virtue signal as opposed to fixing the crisis, you're not being logical.

They're not mutually exclusive. I wouldn't say black people have been spending "a bulk of their time" on Confederate statues; they haven't become a prominent issue until the last few weeks, when there is an opportunity to make a major change in that area.

If people died in a terrorist attack originating from another country, we wouldn't blame President Trump for immediately responding to it, even though there are "bigger problems" facing our country as a whole. We certainly wouldn't accuse him of neglecting everything else or not being logical.

 

[McDad]

I am sure my objectivity is skewed, which is why I'm uncomfortable with the idea of me telling an entire minority group where they should place their focus. They have reasons for focusing on the things they do; rather than assuming that those are bad reasons, I'm better served by asking questions.

And, as far as i know, no one appointed you, Barkley, Jesse or me, spokesperson for an entire group.

I dont hear much hubbub about statues in the real world...the world outside of the media bubble. To be fair, i don't hear much about violent crime until it affects someone directly.

 

[NashVol11]

The black community has already spent disproportionately more time on the headlight (confederate monuments, hands up don't shoot, Baltimore) than on getting the engine fixed. You are saying both are important. Then treat them like they are both important! How do you get the engine fixed if all you're doing is obsessing about the headlight?

The point I was making with my "how do you know" questions is that you don't know what the black community has spent disproportionately more time on; you just know what you've heard about the most. I think we should both be able to accept that those could be two different things.

 

[NashVol11]

Why is it all of a sudden important? We didn't hear anything at all about Confederate statues 10-20 years ago. Now it's the most important thing out there. It's like Confederate monuments weren't an issue at all until the liberal media started making it one.

People probably said this about slavery, too; "Why now, in 1860? Black people have been 'fine' with it for 200 years."

Nothing is an issue, until it is. Many have been fighting to get rid of these statues for decades, but didn't have a platform to effect meaningful change. Now, thanks to Charlottesville, they do, and I don't think people want to pass up that opportunity and go back to being ignored again.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What Barkley is saying requires some self reflection. Some don't like having to do that.

 

[SamRebel35]

The point I was making with my "how do you know" questions is that you don't know what the black community has spent disproportionately more time on; you just know what you've heard about the most. I think we should both be able to accept that those could be two different things.

Then why all the ridiculous push back when the white devil suggests you try fixing your own ******* community and to stop pointing the finger? Just ******* do it already!

 

[NashVol11]

The wrong was "righted" when hundreds of thousands of southerners died during the war. When houses and property were burned and looted.

You won and righted the wrong.

Yet the people on pedestals in the South aren't the slaves fighting for freedom, or the black people who were lynched and raped within that system; it's the soldiers who fought to keep it that way.

 

[1972 Grad]

Why is it all of a sudden important? We didn't hear anything at all about Confederate statues 10-20 years ago. Now it's the most important thing out there. It's like Confederate monuments weren't an issue at all until the liberal media started making it one.

Well, Trump is in office, and the Resistance, with the former Community Organizer in charge, decided it was time to cause a little turmoil. After all, the Russia investigation that they initiated, crashed and burned. I bet that it will eventually come out that Charlottesville was a complete setup from the start.

 

[NashVol11]

Then why all the ridiculous push back when the white devil suggests you try fixing your own ******* community and to stop pointing the finger? Just ******* do it already!

The pushback is in response to the idea that we can't fix anything else until the "community" is "fixed," or that we shouldn't try to progress toward justice for that community/the community isn't worthy of justice until it "fixes" itself.

 

[hog88]

Yet the people on pedestals in the South aren't the slaves fighting for freedom, or the black people who were lynched and raped within that system; it's the soldiers who fought to keep it that way.

So? All of those wrongs have been "righted". Removing monuments is helping no one.

 

[SamRebel35]

Yet the people on pedestals in the South aren't the slaves fighting for freedom, or the black people who were lynched and raped within that system; it's the soldiers who fought to keep it that way.

And guess how many southern white people actually give a sh*t about those damn statues? Tear them all down for all I care. Just stop pretending like it will actually fix anything. It is purely political posturing and virtue signaling. Nothing else to be accomplishment by that effort. But by all means, fix your community the way you see fit.

 

[McDad]

Yet the people on pedestals in the South aren't the slaves fighting for freedom, or the black people who were lynched and raped within that system; it's the soldiers who fought to keep it that way.

There are several memorials to colored troops/soldiers.