That's racist!

[Fun coupon VOL]

These pieces of “art” look like they came from racist white folks.

Deep South or German nazi type racist?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Asian Hebrews built the Sphinx. Fact.

Then why does it look like a black person?



Even with the nose and lips knocked off that's the unmistakable profile of someone with significant African ancestry.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This is an interesting hypothesis. I can only assume you are referring to the Atlantic slave trade here.

If Africa wasn’t “left behind” until 1600 AD - Then how were they overrun in 1600 AD?

They should have been on equal footing, or even more advanced (following your “logic” here) in 1599 AD.

How did Rome fall to the Germanic tribes?

Empires fall all the time throughout history. The fact they fell doesn't render their accomplishments null and void.

 

[KB5252]

1. The Bible says they were black. Both Egypt (Mizraim) and Nubia (Cush) were sons of Ham (father of the black race).

2. Their contemporaries (the Ancient Greeks and Romans) said they were black. Check the works of Herodutus and Diodorus Siculus.

3. The way the Ancient Egyptians represented themselves proves they were black. Just look:

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Anyone with eyes can see that these are clearly black people.

The fifth picture is very familiar to me, I forget his name but the way he was depicted and the study of his mummy indicates he suffered from a disorder thought to have been due to inbreeding. His skull and bone structure had severe abnormalities.

I'm not disputing that at the very least some, if not most nobles were black. The populace was much more diverse however. This line was very well known for breeding with family, especially until later dynasties.

 

[KB5252]

Then why does it look like a black person?

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Even with the nose and lips knocked off that's the unmistakable profile of someone with significant African ancestry.

I thought the Sphinx's face was not original.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Getting the jump on you? According you it should’ve been the other way around.

We got our licks early. Why else do you think the Ancient Greeks had such reverence for black Africans?

Yall got the juice now. Just know that you can lose it just as easily as you got it. The history books are filled with fallen empires.

 

[C-south]

Deep South or German nazi type racist?

Maybe a combination. I’m sure dobbs will stick to the straight “Deep South”

 

[85SugarVol]

How did Rome fall to the Germanic tribes?

Empires fall all the time throughout history. The fact they fell doesn't render their accomplishments null and void.

You said Africa was “left behind” in 1600 AD. That would imply Africa was “on par” in 1600 AD.

If that is true - how were they overrun in 1600 AD?

 

[85SugarVol]

I thought the Sphinx's face was not original.

He’s arguing a post that was an obvious joke (to most) about “Asian Hebrews” lol.

He is what he is.

 

[C-south]

We got our licks early. Why else do you think the Ancient Greeks had such reverence for black Africans?

Yall got the juice now. Just know that you can lose it just as easily as you got it. The history books are filled with fallen empires.

Who is “y’all”? Where do you think things would be if Africans hadn’t sold their own people?

 

[KB5252]

He’s arguing a post that was an obvious joke (to most) about “Asian Hebrews” lol.

He is what he is.

I guess I missed it.

I actually enjoy the debate. When I dropped out of high school I spent years studying ancient civilization, religion etc trying to figure things out. I still read about it from time to time.

 

[85SugarVol]

I guess I missed it.

I actually enjoy the debate. When I tried out of school I spent years studying ancient civilization, religion etc trying to figure things out. I still read about it from time to time.

I love discussions about ancient civilizations. I simply prefer factual discussions.

And there is plenty of factual discussion to be had about actual African empires too. No need to engage in discredited myths.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I thought the Sphinx's face was not original.

The theory is because the human head is so much smaller than the lion body that originally the Sphinx was entirely a lion but then some Pharoah decided to remake the head in his image. IMO it's a reasonable theory cause the Sphinx head does look unusually small compared to the rest of the body.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

These pieces of “art” look like they came from racist white folks.

Or maybe during the times of Ancient Egypt there was no reason to be ashamed of having a wide nose, thick lips, and afro hair because that's how all the Kings and Queens looked.

Black features being exaggerated only looks racist in modern times because of our recent history. During the times of Ancient Egypt black features were exaggerated in a celebratory manner not a derogatory one.

 

[KB5252]

The theory is because the human head is so much smaller than the lion body that originally the Sphinx was entirely a lion but then some Pharoah decided to remake the head in his image. IMO it's a reasonable theory cause the Sphinx head does look unusually small compared to the rest of the body.

I believe I remember reading years ago that a theory for why they did not reconstruct the lion head was because it was determined that the stone could not support the length of the lions snout, so a flatter human face was substituted and was also in keeping with their representations of the God's

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The fifth picture is very familiar to me, I forget his name but the way he was depicted and the study of his mummy indicates he suffered from a disorder thought to have been due to inbreeding. His skull and bone structure had severe abnormalities.

I'm not disputing that at the very least some, if not most nobles were black. The populace was much more diverse however. This line was very well known for breeding with family, especially until later dynasties.

That's the great Pharoah Akhenaten. He was the father of King Tut and husband of Nefertiti. He's significant because he was the first person in recorded history to push monotheism. Here are other representations of him:






He always reminded me of Scottie Pippen.

 

[KB5252]

That's the great Pharoah Akhenaten. He was the father of King Tut and husband of Nefertiti. He's significant because he was the first person in recorded history to push monotheism. Here are other representations of him:

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He always reminded me of Scottie Pippen.

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I see some Asian in that bust.

If I remember correctly he was abnormally tall for the era and had some spinal abnormalities, possibly extra or missing vertebra iirc...... Among other issues.

Edit: he's the one later rulers attempted to purge from history.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You said Africa was “left behind” in 1600 AD. That would imply Africa was “on par” in 1600 AD.

If that is true - how were they overrun in 1600 AD?

Well around 1600 is when the transatlantic slave started rolling. That drain in manpower from the continent weakened the kindgoms in West Africa (which at that time were the leading African civilizations).

Individual selfishness to get paid for selling your own ended up destroying Africa and it was after we were weakened that the Europeans started colonizing us in the 1800s.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Who is “y’all”? Where do you think things would be if Africans hadn’t sold their own people?

Yall = White folk. I assumed most of the people here arguing against me are white.

With regard to the slave trade, there's no way to know but my guess is the damage was significant. Not just in raw manpower but to this day in terms of prestige. The black man gets no respect anywhere on the globe because of the legacy of slavery.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And there is plenty of factual discussion to be had about actual African empires too. No need to engage in discredited myths.

Newsflash: Egypt is in Africa.

 

[KB5252]

Well around 1600 is when the transatlantic slave started rolling. That drain in peoppe from the continent weakened the kindgoms in West Africa (which at that time were the leading African civilizations).

Individual selfishness to get paid for selling your own ended up destroying Africa and it was after we were weakened that the Europeans started colonizing us in the 1800s.

Those tribes have been warring for hundred of years. They used their enemies much as South American tribes did at that time. I'd argue the more powerful tribes in Africa were still in the east at that time.

The tribes that gained prominence on the west did so because of the slave trade.

 

[C-south]

Yall = White folk. I assumed most of the people here arguing against me are white.

With regard to the slave trade, there's no way to know but my guess is the damage was significant. Not just in raw manpower but to this day in terms of prestige. The black man gets no respect anywhere on the globe because of the legacy of slavery.

I disagree. If a black person isn’t getting respect it’s because they’re blaming the results of their own actions on someone else that had nothing to do with it. Everyone has moved on past slavery except black people.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Those tribes have been warring for hundred of years. They used their enemies much as South American tribes did at that time. I'd argue the more powerful tribes in Africa were still in the east at that time.

The tribes that gained prominence on the west did so because of the slave trade.

Tribes? You had empires like the Mali Empire, the Kingdom of Benin, and the Ashanti Empire in West Africa at that time.

Mali Empire - Wikipedia

Kingdom of Benin - Wikipedia

Ashanti Empire - Wikipedia


I know African history is intentionally hidden but come on now. It's absolutely ignorant to think there were just tribes in West Africa at that time. West Africa had civilizations as advanced as anywhere in the world at that time.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Queen Tiye was no Nubian. That's an excuse white Egyptologists use everytime they encounter unambiguously black features on Ancient Egyptian royalty. They throw out speculation of Nubian ancestry. The Ancient Egyptians were well-known for having inbred royalty thus negating any likelihood of them mixing with foreigners.

Queen Tiye was just an Egyptian. Her unambiguously black features are simply a reflection of how the Ancient Egyptians as a whole looked.

Are you John Tutankhamun?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I disagree. If a black person isn’t getting respect it’s because they’re blaming the results of their own actions on someone else that had nothing to do with it. Everyone has moved on past slavery except black people.

I mean just look at the last few pages of this thread. I've posted pretty conclusive visual evidence that many of the most significant pharoahs in Ancient Egyptian history looked 100% black and yet you have posters on here saying it's myth. My belief is that the legacy of slavery is the reason so many unwilling to accept the truth despite it staring them in the face. Slavery has put the intellectual capability of the black man in doubt.

Just think about it. Egypt is located in Africa. Every ancient source we have from the Ancient Greeks to the Bible said the Ancient Egyptians were black. No other ancient civilization has the race of its inhabitants questioned other than Ancient Egypt. Why do you think that is? Obviously it's because most people in today's world can't process the idea that black people whose recent history involves enslavement and colonization could have created the greatest civilization in the ancient world.

Here's a quote from one of the first Europeans to travel to Egypt and see the Sphinx: Constantin François de Chassebœuf, comte de Volney - Wikipedia

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their 'mulatto' appearance)

"In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Greeks and Romans, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold.

"Just think," de Volney declared incredulously, "that this race of Black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech!
Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of people who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery, and questioned whether Black men have the same kind of intelligence as whites!"

M. Constantine de Volney, Travels through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, and 1785 (London: 1787), p. 80-83.

So you see. The first European post slavery who traveled through Egypt and saw the same statues I'm showing you right also had a hard time believing black people could have created Ancient Egypt. The legacy of slavery has made it so that even when overwhelming evidence of black intellectual accomplishments is staring you in the face that most will still deny it.