That's racist!

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've posted images of Pharoahs from the dynastic period. The reason you think I'm cherry picking or that these images are unrepresentative of Ancient Egypt is because you've been deceived. You're probably familiar with images like this.

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These are the images of Ancient Egypt the mainstream media likes to promote. What they don't tell you is none of these pale skin Caucasian looking Egyptians are pharoahs. They'll show you images of random people like this while they hide images of the Pharoahs who looked like this.

Here's Pharoah Narmer. He was the first Pharoah of Egypt. He unified Upper and Lower Egypt. He came from Upper Egypt (which was located in the south near Nubia). And for the record all the Pharoahs who followed him were also from Upper Egypt.

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Here's Pharoah Menkaure of the Old Kingdom. One of the rare Pharoahs to not have his nose chopped off.

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Now you see why they like destroying the noses of Ancient Egyptians Pharoahs. Unmistakable black African features.

Here's Pharoah Sahure also of the Old Kingdom.

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Another guy with unmistakable African features in the nose and lips.


Now ask yourself why you never see images of these Pharoahs but you'll see images of random nobodies like in that collage above.

If the only images of Ancient Egyptians the public saw were the Pharoahs then there would be no doubt as to the blackness of Ancient Egypt. Unfortunately the legacy of racism has made it so that certain images of Ancient Egypt get promoted to the public while others are hidden. The images of Pharoahs are hidden while images of random nobodies are promoted.
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Yes..you absolutely have been and its funny watching you spin your wheels. All of your evidence is based on abstract art and mythological stories. Let that sink in for a bit.

So riddle me this La'Indiando Jones, who is represented in Ancient Egypt when they are painted red and green? Are those the bipedal humans? You know, the ones the Greek historian wrote about in his books that are the foundation for your belief system..

Side note, I've seen more of Egypt and Africa in person than you have. Egypt was very interesting but my favorite trip was to Sierre Leone where the locals carved my team a canoe for a box of glowsticks.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Your post made it seem like the Africans were just primitive and had no sophisticated civilizations. That's why I took "tribe" as a slight. There were huge sophisticated empires operating in West Africa at that time. Not just tribes as your post implied.
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They weren't sophisticated, except maybe for their local area. Most sub-saharan cultures didnt even have a written language (many still dont today). That's why the majority of their history isn't written down but passed down by word of mouth by dudes called griots. And as I am sure you are aware, just like witness testimony in court cases is highly unreliable, so is primitive oral history transmission.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Side note, I've seen more of Egypt and Africa in person than you have. Egypt was very interesting but my favorite trip was to Sierre Leone where the locals carved my team a canoe for a box of glowsticks.
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And? Unless you're a time traveler and went back 3000 years it's irrelevant to our conversation. We are discussing the race of the Ancient Egyptians not the modern occupants of the region.

Also with regard to the Ancient Greeks. They're not the only ones who said the Ancient Egyptians were black. So did the Romans. And the Hebrew Bible essentially implied they were black by grouping Egypt with Nubia as sons of Ham (father of the black race). If the Ancient Egyptians resembled modern day Arabs, then why did the Bible not say Egypt was a son of Shem (father of the Jews and Arabs)?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
They weren't sophisticated, except maybe for their local area. Most sub-saharan cultures didnt even have a written language (many still dont today). That's why the majority of their history isn't written down but passed down by word of mouth by dudes called griots. And as I am sure you are aware, just like witness testimony in court cases is highly unreliable, so is primitive oral history transmission.
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By this same standard, most of Europe has no written language either. The Greek and Latin script originally came from the Phoenicians. The European continent has no written text native to it. And even more damning if you take away the Mediterranean civilizations of Rome and Greece that had significant influence from other continents, the rest of Europe has no significant megalithic structures or ancient civilizations to speak of. If it wasn't for the Romans, London might still be a trash heap of mud huts.

You see two can play this game. It's very easy to paint a continent as backwards and undeveloped if you take away its two leading civilizations.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Doubtful. I bet ancient black Africans and their superior civilization built huge ships, sailed to central/south America, and helped the local populace build their own pyramids.
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Well these are the remains of the oldest civilization in the Americas. The Olmecs.

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And before some on here try to act like that isn't clearly the face of a Black African. Here's how the back of their heads look.

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Wide nose. Thick lips. And braids.

I wanna see how yall try to wiggle your way outta this one.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Your post made it seem like the Africans were just primitive and had no sophisticated civilizations. That's why I took "tribe" as a slight. There were huge sophisticated empires operating in West Africa at that time. Not just tribes as your post implied.
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I think you are technically correct, that empire best describes the culture/civilization.

I also use the term for central and south American cultures. Not meant as a slight. Conglomerations of tribes/city states either by conquer or confederation on a large scale.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well these are the remains of the oldest civilization in the Americas. The Olmecs.

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And before some on here try to act like that isn't clearly the face of a Black African. Here's how the back of their heads look.

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Wide nose. Thick lips. And braids.

I wanna see how yall try to wiggle your way outta this one.
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It is possible a very early trade ship was blown west. It is also possible these represent Polynesian or even Asian people. I see a very Asian/Polynesian featured face in that bust. The braids could also be records. This was common in the region an era. He is shown wearing a head covering so it is doubtful it is hair being represented.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yes..you absolutely have been and its funny watching you spin your wheels. All of your evidence is based on abstract art and mythological stories. Let that sink in for a bit.

So riddle me this La'Indiando Jones, who is represented in Ancient Egypt when they are painted red and green? Are those the bipedal humans? You know, the ones the Greek historian wrote about in his books that are the foundation for your belief system..

Side note, I've seen more of Egypt and Africa in person than you have. Egypt was very interesting but my favorite trip was to Sierre Leone where the locals carved my team a canoe for a box of glowsticks.
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What do you mean bipedal humans? Humans are bipedal.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That looks like a forgery or modern creation. If it was actually made by the Ancient Egyptians then it would be at least 3000 years old. That doesn't look 3000 years old. It looks like it was made yesterday.
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It’s a piece from a collection on display in Cairo.

I’ll let the curators know Dobbs4Heisman from VolNation thinks it’s a forgery.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Half of it is technically in Europe. The city of Constantinople (modern Istanbul) has historically been the dividing line between Europe and Asia. Istanbul, the city that lies on two continents

With that said, here's your exact post:



You clearly implied in this post that Egypt was not an "actual African empire". It's clearly in Africa. So you're wrong. What you should have said is "actual black empire". Then your post would be fine since what we're arguing about here is the blackness of Ancient Egypt. The location of Egypt on the African continent is simply not up for debate. That's all.
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Wrong. Over 95% of Turkey is in Asia.
Are you confusing Istanbul with Turkey?

I should have said “sub-saharan African”. That would have been most accurate.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I've posted images of Pharoahs from the dynastic period. The reason you think I'm cherry picking or that these images are unrepresentative of Ancient Egypt is because you've been deceived. You're probably familiar with images like this.

View attachment 552273

These are the images of Ancient Egypt the mainstream media likes to promote. What they don't tell you is none of these pale skin Caucasian looking Egyptians are pharoahs. They'll show you images of random people like this while they hide images of the Pharoahs who looked like this.

Here's Pharoah Narmer. He was the first Pharoah of Egypt. He unified Upper and Lower Egypt. He came from Upper Egypt (which was located in the south near Nubia). And for the record all the Pharoahs who followed him were also from Upper Egypt.

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Here's Pharoah Menkaure of the Old Kingdom. One of the rare Pharoahs to not have his nose chopped off.

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Now you see why they like destroying the noses of Ancient Egyptians Pharoahs. Unmistakable black African features.

Here's Pharoah Sahure also of the Old Kingdom.

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Another guy with unmistakable African features in the nose and lips.


Now ask yourself why you never see images of these Pharoahs but you'll see images of random nobodies like in that collage above.

If the only images of Ancient Egyptians the public saw were the Pharoahs then there would be no doubt as to the blackness of Ancient Egypt. Unfortunately the legacy of racism has made it so that certain images of Ancient Egypt get promoted to the public while others are hidden. The images of Pharoahs are hidden while images of random nobodies are promoted.
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DNA Phenotypic Evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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Eye Witness evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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More of that pesky DNA evidence….

Egyptian woman traces her DNA to ancient mummy from Saite dynasty - Egypt Independent

Researcher Mohamed Abdel Hady published the findings in a report titled “An Egyptian whose genes date back to the era of the mummies of the Saite era.”

Basily’s DNA analysis results revealed that she is of 100 percent Ancient Egyptian lineage, with no mixing whatsoever, Adel Hady said.
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The Saite Dynasty is from the Late Period in Ancient Egypt - roughly 700 BC thru 300 BC.

That is right AFTER the foreign Nubian dynasty. And right BEFORE the foreign Ptolemaic dynasty.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well these are the remains of the oldest civilization in the Americas. The Olmecs.

View attachment 552289

And before some on here try to act like that isn't clearly the face of a Black African. Here's how the back of their heads look.

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Wide nose. Thick lips. And braids.

I wanna see how yall try to wiggle your way outta this one.
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There is a friend of mine I went to school with who was Cambodian/Laos we always joked this carving looked just like him......... And it does. Out of respect for him I don't post a pic of his from high school but the resemblance was uncanny.
 
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85SugarVol said:
DNA Phenotypic Evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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Eye Witness evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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They are north African, which makes them Mediterranean people. They would be genetically more similar to the Israelites, Greeks, Spanish, and Italians then they would be their farther, southern counterparts. Although we all know that mixing of peoples has been going on for a long time now, so they probably share at least a sliver of some of their genetics to those further south. The man in the far left corner of your last picture post would be a good example of that. He looks mixed.
 
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norrislakevol said:
They are north African, which makes them Mediterranean people. They would be genetically more similar to the Israelites, Greeks, Spanish, and Italians then they would be their farther, southern counterparts. Although we all know that mixing of peoples has been going on for a long time now, so they probably share at least a sliver of some of their genetics to those further south. The man in the far left corner of your last picture post would be a good example of that. He looks mixed.
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Sub-Saharan markers make up ~8% of Modern Egyptian DNA profiles.

Ancient Egyptians had far fewer of those markers.
 
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