That's racist!

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#19,627
PEPPERJAX said:
This deep dive into the characteristics of the ancient Egyptians was fueled by the Cleopatra movie right?
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Yep. Well at least the current deep dive isolated to this board.

Debate over the Ancient Egyptians has raged for centuries.

Recent scientific leaps forward in advanced DNA sequencing have answered many of the questions - but some aren’t happy with the answers.
 
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KB5252 said:
It is possible a very early trade ship was blown west. It is also possible these represent Polynesian or even Asian people. I see a very Asian/Polynesian featured face in that bust. The braids could also be records. This was common in the region an era. He is shown wearing a head covering so it is doubtful it is hair being represented.
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The hair was coming out of the bottom of the helmet. Just as one could see today if a black man with braids put on a cap.

The mental gymnastics yall show to try and deny what are clearly black features is astounding. Wide noses, thick lips, and braids are all indelible characteristics of black Africans that for years have been caricatured by non-Africans. But then when we see those same features on the faces of Ancient Civilizations then all of sudden those couldn't possibly be black people.
 
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KB5252 said:
There are megalithic structures all over Europe, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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Unless you're talking about those bunch of rocks at Stonehenge, there's nothing else. Even Adolf Hitler was bothered by this fact. He had his archeologists dig up sites all over Germany looking for signs of an ancient Aryan civilization. Because even he could see how silly it looked for the mighty Caucasian race that the only signs of high civilization in Ancient times was found in the Mediterranean with non-blonde hair blue-eyed Europeans.

These are the facts. There is no native written language in Europe. The Latin text which is what all of Europe now uses originated in the Middle East with the Phonecians. Same with Ancient Greek.

Now compare that to Africa where the Ancient Egyptians independently created a written language. In Mesopotamia written language was created independently. As well as in China and Mesoamerica.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Wrong. Over 95% of Turkey is in Asia.
Are you confusing Istanbul with Turkey?

I should have said “sub-saharan African”. That would have been most accurate.
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Nonetheless part of it is still in Europe. And the city of Constantinople (now Istanbul) was the capital city for the Roman Empire for some time.
 
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85SugarVol said:
DNA Phenotypic Evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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Eye Witness evidence of Ancient Egyptians -

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Why are you lying? Those are clearly images from the Roman and Greeks era when they occupied Egypt.

Fayum mummy portraits - Wikipedia
Ptolemaic: Egyptian Mummy Portraits | Survey of Art History Western Tradition Part 1

None of those images are from the time period of DYNASTIC rule as recognized by the Ancient Egyptians themselves.

This would be the equivalent of posting pictures of the US Presidents and saying they were the Cherokee or any other Native American tribe.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Why are you lying? Those are clearly images from the Roman and Greeks era when they occupied Egypt.

Fayum mummy portraits - Wikipedia
Ptolemaic: Egyptian Mummy Portraits | Survey of Art History Western Tradition Part 1

None of those images are from the time period of DYNASTIC rule as recognized by the Ancient Egyptians themselves.

This would be the equivalent of posting pictures of the US Presidents and saying they were the Cherokee or any other Native American tribe.
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Eye Witness testimony.

I see you skipped over the DNA evidence again.
 
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85SugarVol said:
More of that pesky DNA evidence….

Egyptian woman traces her DNA to ancient mummy from Saite dynasty - Egypt Independent

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The Saite Dynasty is from the Late Period in Ancient Egypt - roughly 700 BC thru 300 BC.

That is right AFTER the foreign Nubian dynasty. And right BEFORE the foreign Ptolemaic dynasty.
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You posted a news article (from Egypt) with no actual scientific study tied to it.

It's funny that you're willing to believe that but when I posted an actual scientific study not an article on a news site on the mummy of King Tut and his family that showed they had predominantly Sub-Saharan African ancestry you dismissed that.

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here are images of Ancient Egyptian soldiers:

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Here are Nubian soldiers for comparison:

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The only difference between the Egyptian soldiers and Nubian archers is the color of the wrap around their waist and the slightly darker skin of the Nubians. Otherwise they look identical in terms of facial features and hair styles.

I'll keep posting authentic images of the Ancient Egyptians while you'll continue posting imaginary pictures or outright lies from eras when foreigners ruled.
 
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norrislakevol said:
They are north African, which makes them Mediterranean people. They would be genetically more similar to the Israelites, Greeks, Spanish, and Italians then they would be their farther, southern counterparts. Although we all know that mixing of peoples has been going on for a long time now, so they probably share at least a sliver of some of their genetics to those further south. The man in the far left corner of your last picture post would be a good example of that. He looks mixed.
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Those images are from mummies during the Greek and Roman rule of Egypt in the 1st century BC and beyond. For reference sake that era of Roman and Greek rule over Egypt is closer to our time in 2023 than it is to the era when the pyramids were built which was 3000 BC.

He's basically posting pictures of foreigners or as you pointed out people Europeans who mixed with native Egyptians 3000 years after the pyramids were built and trying to pass them off as Ancient Egyptians. While I'm posting actual images of Pharoahs from the period when Ancient Egypt was still an independent nation and not one conquered by foreign powers.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Eye Witness testimony.

I see you skipped over the DNA evidence again.
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I'm glad you didn't try to deny your clear attempt at lying. For the readers out there he intentionally posted images from foreign rulers 3000 years after the pyramids were built and tried to pass them off as native Ancient Egyptians.

Do your lies know no boundaries sir?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm glad you didn't try to deny your clear attempt at lying. For the readers out there he intentionally posted images from foreign rulers 3000 years after the pyramids were built and tried to pass them off as native Ancient Egyptians.

Do your lies know no boundaries sir?
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Lies? You’re one to talk.

I posted “eye witness” evidence that lines up directly with the DNA evidence.

You can’t refute the DNA evidence, so you quibble about the eye witness testimony.

And “eye witness testimony” is all you can put forward.
Your DNA “study” is highly questionable, for multiple reasons - and they are actively suppressing the full data set.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You posted a news article (from Egypt) with no actual scientific study tied to it.

It's funny that you're willing to believe that but when I posted an actual scientific study not an article on a news site on the mummy of King Tut and his family that showed they had predominantly Sub-Saharan African ancestry you dismissed that.

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here are images of Ancient Egyptian soldiers:

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Here are Nubian soldiers for comparison:

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The only difference between the Egyptian soldiers and Nubian archers is the color of the wrap around their waist and the slightly darker skin of the Nubians. Otherwise they look identical in terms of facial features and hair styles.

I'll keep posting authentic images of the Ancient Egyptians while you'll continue posting imaginary pictures or outright lies from eras when foreigners ruled.
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You discount an article about Egyptian lineage because it is “from Egypt”.

Not surprising in the least.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The hair was coming out of the bottom of the helmet. Just as one could see today if a black man with braids put on a cap.

The mental gymnastics yall show to try and deny what are clearly black features is astounding. Wide noses, thick lips, and braids are all indelible characteristics of black Africans that for years have been caricatured by non-Africans. But then when we see those same features on the faces of Ancient Civilizations then all of sudden those couldn't possibly be black people.
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No, if you look it starts just about the crown of the head/helmet and continues to the back.

And those features aren't just an African feature, they are also very common in South American and Asian people as well.

I never said it wasn't possible, quite the opposite actually. I said it's just as likely, maybe moreso, that are were South American or possibly Asian.

The fact you aren't able to consider any possiblity but everything being African tells me you're the one with the agenda..... And therefore projecting on me..
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Unless you're talking about those bunch of rocks at Stonehenge, there's nothing else. Even Adolf Hitler was bothered by this fact. He had his archeologists dig up sites all over Germany looking for signs of an ancient Aryan civilization. Because even he could see how silly it looked for the mighty Caucasian race that the only signs of high civilization in Ancient times was found in the Mediterranean with non-blonde hair blue-eyed Europeans.

These are the facts. There is no native written language in Europe. The Latin text which is what all of Europe now uses originated in the Middle East with the Phonecians. Same with Ancient Greek.

Now compare that to Africa where the Ancient Egyptians independently created a written language. In Mesopotamia written language was created independently. As well as in China and Mesoamerica.
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Good Lord research the henges before spewing ignorance.

I don't find that alarming at all. Only an idiot like Hitler would........ Seems you tend to find it just as alarming..... Perhaps some introspection is needed on your part.

After all as you stated the "white" people just popped up out of nowhere recently..... And we've accomplished so much in that time. All that partisan **** is just stupid. We've accomplished all these great things together. One society builds off another. Egypt undoubtedly benefited from ideas of those around it.... Every worth while historical society does. Take N. Korea for instance. They are a backward blip in a modern world because they isolate and reject outside ideas. The opposite is the natural path of progress.

Please quit with all the everything is African crap. It's past old..... Just as bad as those who deny anything good came from Africa..... You and they are no different.
 
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So just to sum up for those scoring at home -

Ancient Egyptians… were black
Ancient Hebrews… were black
Ancient Americans… were black

That about cover it @Dobbs 4 Heisman ? Or is there more to add?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well these are the remains of the oldest civilization in the Americas. The Olmecs.

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And before some on here try to act like that isn't clearly the face of a Black African. Here's how the back of their heads look.

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Wide nose. Thick lips. And braids.

I wanna see how yall try to wiggle your way outta this one.
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Olmec Heads of Mexico (1200-400 B.C.?) •
There are numerous theories about the inspirations, motivations, and uses of these Olmec sculptures. Previous theories had suggested that the heads depicted Olmec gods, athletes, or even early black civilizations due to the heads possessing what appear to be African features. These theories, however, have been abandoned and it is now thought that the heads represent Olmec rulers and that the facial features are not African but rather represent the people who reside in the Mexican Gulf Coast.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Lies? You’re one to talk.

I posted “eye witness” evidence that lines up directly with the DNA evidence.

You can’t refute the DNA evidence, so you quibble about the eye witness testimony.

And “eye witness testimony” is all you can put forward.
Your DNA “study” is highly questionable, for multiple reasons - and they are actively suppressing the full data set.
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You're correct, but you're arguing with someone whose previous display of "logic" involved notions along the lines of "If you ignore the final score in favor of the opposing team, we really won that game." That individual and reality are not pals (nor even are they acquaintances), it's safe to say.
 
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