That's racist!

[85SugarVol]

No strawman at all. I'm trying to make sense of your emotional reaction to a player who isn't one of the best players at her position being passed on but the Olympic team.

So you’re just making stuff up.

Got it.

 

[85SugarVol]

I think not winning gold would be a stronger argument for not including her, given that she isn’t one of the best 12

There is literally almost zero chance of the women not winning gold though. So the women winning gold can’t be the burden for proving this case.

The real impact is impossible to know.

8M watched last time.
I’m sure there will be those that celebrate the larger eyeballs number this time around - but that’s not the entitlement that USA Women punted on.

How many eyeballs, how much engagement, how much excitement if they had included the most popular player in the world.

That was the prize.

 

[KB5252]

Having seen minimal games but also reading up on CC and the turnover issue..I'm seeing a decent amount of turnovers on wide open passes fumbled by her teammates..its a similar argument to dropped passes by a WR...still counts as incomplete but when people talk about those stats it's always mentioned. She owns some turnovers but I'd say 2 a game are on her teammates at a minimum

That's fair and certainly a possibility.

 

[KB5252]

You said averages. The primary 3 when discussing basketball, for decades, being Pts/Reb/Ast.

You know, the 3 summarized by ESPN in the player pages above.

I'm pretty sure (positive) in one of my original posts I mentioned stats...... Which is why you replied with a bunch of other players stats....... Turnovers omitted. If you're going to argue a point at least be intellectually honest in the debate. If you can't do that there's literally no point to this discussion.

 

[KB5252]

So you’re just making stuff up.

Got it.

No, as I stated, trying to understand your emotional attachment to her being omitted from the Olympic team. If there's another explanation I'm all ears.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm pretty sure (positive) in one of my original posts I mentioned stats...... Which is why you replied with a bunch of other players stats....... Turnovers omitted. If you're going to argue a point at least be intellectually honest in the debate. If you can't do that there's literally no point to this discussion.

You said averages. Like I said.

She isn't one of the best 12 her averages and game at this point are pretty clear.

You never mentioned turnovers.
And I certainly didn’t “omit” them.

I copy pasted ESPN player pages. How dare ESPN omit turnovers lol.

 

[85SugarVol]

No, as I stated, trying to understand your emotional attachment to her being omitted from the Olympic team. If there's another explanation I'm all ears.

So you are just making stuff up.

Got it.

 

[KB5252]

You said averages. Like I said.



You never mentioned turnovers.
And I certainly didn’t “omit” them.

I copy pasted ESPN player pages. How dare ESPN omit turnovers lol.

expand...

She isn't one of the best 12 her averages and game at this point are pretty clear. She's got to have time to adjust. And that kind of pressure is probably best not to put on her at the moment, although she's a competitor and I'm sure she'd answer the bell if the opportunity presented itself.

From one of my original posts above. Her averages (stats) and game ............

And yes the comps you posted did omit turnovers, maybe you didn't omit them but they did ignore arguably the most important statistic for her position.

 

[KB5252]

So you are just making stuff up.

Got it.

I'm asking you to explain it so I understand the emotional response. I offered a possible cause, you can continue to ignore it or set the record straight.... Completely up to you.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm asking you to explain it so I understand the emotional response. I offered a possible cause, you can continue to ignore it or set the record straight.... Completely up to you.

Lol gtfo with that weak ass nonsense. I don’t owe you anything.

Least of all - “prove to me I’m wrong about this thing I just made up”

And again, the main comps I made are to white girls, you clod.

 

[85SugarVol]

She isn't one of the best 12 her averages and game at this point are pretty clear. She's got to have time to adjust. And that kind of pressure is probably best not to put on her at the moment, although she's a competitor and I'm sure she'd answer the bell if the opportunity presented itself.

From one of my original posts above. Her averages (stats) and game ............

And yes the comps you posted did omit turnovers, maybe you didn't omit them but they did ignore arguably the most important statistic for her position.

Lol you still harping about turnovers (now) and are all pissy that ESPN omitted(!) them.

You don’t even understand the value proposition of adding Caitlin Clark to the roster.

I guess I shouldn’t expect you to understand why reg season turnover rate, for this tournament, from the #12 player, is absolutely meaningless.

 

[KB5252]

Lol gtfo with that weak ass nonsense. I don’t owe you anything.

Least of all - “prove to me I’m wrong about this thing I just made up”

And again, the main comps I made are to white girls, you clod.

I simply asked you to explain it because I like to try and understand others points of view and where they come from. But If you want to hurl childish insults have at it sport. I've got better things to do.


What does their color have to do with anything? Sounds like you are going out of your way to make this about race. But what do I care.

 

[KB5252]

Lol you still harping about turnovers (now) and are all pissy that ESPN omitted(!) them.

You don’t even understand the value proposition of adding Caitlin Clark to the roster.

I guess I shouldn’t expect you to understand why reg season turnover rate, for this tournament, from the #12 player, is absolutely meaningless.

I understand it perfectly, as a token because of her popularity, not because she's earned it or deserves to be there.

Adding her to the roster is just as meaningless. It's not going to make or break the team and she will be an afterthought on the bench. You going to tune in to watch her hold that seat down?

 

[85SugarVol]

I understand it perfectly, as a token because of her popularity, not because she's earned it or deserves to be there.

Adding her to the roster is just as meaningless. It's not going to make or break the team and she will be an afterthought on the bench. You going to tune in to watch her hold that seat down?

Lol no, you don’t understand at all. Which is perfectly illustrated by this statement, here -

They aren't going to grow the Olympic game no one internationally even knows who Clark is.

Well, you’ve inadvertently stumbled into the point. Bravo?

Adding her to the roster IS meaningless. The 12th player on a loaded roster that is 100% guaranteed Gold is of no consequence.

Which makes all your breathless bleating about averages, and turnovers, and experience - a laughably transparent, meaningless screed. Thanks.

 

[85SugarVol]

I simply asked you to explain it because I like to try and understand others points of view and where they come from. But If you want to hurl childish insults have at it sport. I've got better things to do.


What does their color have to do with anything? Sounds like you are going out of your way to make this about race. But what do I care.

Lol, more “prove to me this thing I made up about you isn’t true”.

Are you really this dense? I didn’t believe that you were.

Here, let me try and frame it in a way you might understand -

I’m of the belief that you may have boffed a few sheep in your day. Prove to me that you haven’t.

 

[KB5252]

Lol no, you don’t understand at all. Which is perfectly illustrated by this statement, here -



Well, you’ve inadvertently stumbled into the point. Bravo?

Adding her to the roster IS meaningless. The 12th player on a loaded roster that is 100% guaranteed Gold is of no consequence.

Which makes all your breathless bleating about averages, and turnovers, and experience - a laughably transparent, meaningless screed. Thanks.

And equally makes your lamenting her absence meaningless. Why so emotional? There is no point, adding her to roster is meaningless. It achieves nothing and takes a spot from someone more deserving.

 

[KB5252]

Lol, more “prove to me this thing I made up about you isn’t true”.

Are you really this dense? I didn’t believe that you were.

Here, let me try and frame it in a way you might understand -

I’m of the belief that you may have boffed a few sheep in your day. Prove to me that you haven’t.

No, I'm actually curious why you are so invested in her being left off the roster. I'm asking...... Again if you don't have it in you to adult and respond that's a you issue. I'm done caring, I think it's pretty evident to everyone what your issue with it actually is. Good day. I'm done with your childish trolling.

 

[Majors]

Isn't the point to put your best players on the team? To win gold? The women's game has gotten much more competitive internationally.

The easy answer is Clark isn't one of the best players in league, much less the country........ Yet.

And the tired argument of getting more eyeballs is lazy. Most of the people using it wouldn't watch anyway.

Her rookie numbers say she’s better than 42 year old Diana Taurasi. Seems your “yet” has already been established if one is to look at numbers.

 

[KB5252]

Her rookie numbers say she’s better than 42 year old Diana Taurasi. Seems your “yet” has already been established if one is to look at numbers.

Is she though? I mean at 42 with international and Olympic experience....... Having already played with many of these players......


I dislike Taurasi, but in this instance I'd have no problem taking her as a bench player and leader over a developing Clark.

 

[Majors]

Is she though? I mean at 42 with international and Olympic experience....... Having already played with many of these players......


I dislike Taurasi, but in this instance I'd have no problem taking her as a bench player and leader over a developing Clark.

She is. Can’t hold back the hands of time and she’s busted. If she’s the #12 and all things equal then you go with youth.

 

[85SugarVol]

And equally makes your lamenting her absence meaningless. Why so emotional? There is no point, adding her to roster is meaningless. It achieves nothing and takes a spot from someone more deserving.

Lol, no it doesn’t. Two different reasons

After all this you still don’t understand the benefit to Women’s Basketball of adding Caitlin Clark to the Women’s USA Basketball Team that will be competing in Prime-Time at the Olympics in Paris, France.

I guess maybe I was wrong. Perhaps you are just this dense.

 

[85SugarVol]

No, I'm actually curious why you are so invested in her being left off the roster. I'm asking...... Again if you don't have it in you to adult and respond that's a you issue. I'm done caring, I think it's pretty evident to everyone what your issue with it actually is. Good day. I'm done with your childish trolling.

I think it’s pretty evident that you and yours molest stray Collies. Now be an adult and prove to me that you don’t. Or maybe it’s a you issue.

You sure do type a bunch of dumb sh!t for someone that’s done caring lol.

 

[85SugarVol]

“Caitlin Clark (who is white) should be on the team over Kelsey Plum (who is white).”

You think it’s about racism!
- KB5252

Derp Derp

 

[NashVol11]

Well, you’ve inadvertently stumbled into the point. Bravo?

I understand what you're saying but would offer two things:

1. Women's basketball is popular internationally, and in some countries more than it is here (which is why WNBA players sometimes play overseas in the offseason). Those people will likely already be watching and may already know who Clark is

2. If people in those countries don't know who Clark is, I'm not sure that playing for like 4 minutes once every few games is going to make her into an international phenomenon

Make no mistake, I think she would attract more viewers, but a lot of those may be from within the U.S.

 

[NashVol11]

No, I'm actually curious why you are so invested in her being left off the roster. I'm asking...... Again if you don't have it in you to adult and respond that's a you issue. I'm done caring, I think it's pretty evident to everyone what your issue with it actually is. Good day. I'm done with your childish trolling.

I think a lot of this is him objecting to you characterizing his responses as "emotional" FWIW