The Arab Revolts

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VOLatile said:
This may be the best thing for Egypt.
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Maybe, if the corruption alliows for a legitimate election. I don't see a way.a change results in anything other than civil war.

Pray for the best, prepare for the worst.
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lumberjack4 said:
The only thing I know about him is that he won a Nobel Peace Prize. What specifically makes him a good choice otherwise?
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He was a professor in NYC for a couple of years. Not sure how he views the US after his days as the UN inspector for the Gulf war.

No matter what, he is better than the Muslim Brotherhood. If they come to power I might start believing in the 2012 rumors.
 
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Editorial: Will Obama Lose Egypt? - Investors.com

In 2009, the Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum reported that President Obama secretly met in Washington that year with representatives of Egypt's jihadist Muslim Brotherhood, the Hamas ally that, while banned, dominates the opposition in the country.

Obama also chose Egypt as the locale for his ill-conceived Muslim outreach speech in June 2009.
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I also don't see how these revolts end in a secular, democratic government. I fear a more radical regime will take over and that, in my opinion, will result in a civil war.

The vultures (Muslim Brotherhood) are circling this one.
 
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DC Vol said:
I also don't see how these revolts end in a secular, democratic government. I fear a more radical regime will take over and that, in my opinion, will result in a civil war.

The vultures (Muslim Brotherhood) are circling this one.
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May end up happening in Yemen, but I feel the opposite about Egypt. Egypt itself is more secular and tolerant than the rest of the area. The Muslim Brotherhood is the most organized opposition, though. Entirely possible situation that nobody wants. Even Saudi Arabia is against the Muslim Brotherhood...and that speaks pretty loudly considering they follow the most strict Sharia Law.
 
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DC Vol said:
I also don't see how these revolts end in a secular, democratic government. I fear a more radical regime will take over and that, in my opinion, will result in a civil war.

The vultures (Muslim Brotherhood) are circling this one.
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That's my take. They'll let the democracy movement chip the foundation, then swoop in to finish the job.

The youthful idealism that Volatile has just doesn't fit the region and the situation.
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#43
#43
All I know is large groups of pissed off Muslims scare the living holy hell out of me.
 
#44
#44
JTrainDavis said:
That's my take. They'll let the democracy movement chip the foundation, then swoop in to finish the job.

The youthful idealism that Volatile has just doesn't fit the region and the situation.
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If he thinks for one second that people are going to end up ruling Egypt who think anything like the way he does, he needs to think again.






VOLatile said:
He was the IAEA Director General. It would almost ensure that Egypt doesn't fall to a theocracy.

Mohamed ElBaradei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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He did a bang up job of preventing Iran from going nuclear, not.





DC Vol said:
I also don't see how these revolts end in a secular, democratic government. I fear a more radical regime will take over and that, in my opinion, will result in a civil war.

The vultures (Muslim Brotherhood) are circling this one.
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What bothers me most is that Barry and Hitlery are calling for reforms in Egypt loud and clear but why were they silent a couple of years ago when the mullahs of Iran were busting head, torturing and raping prisoners and killing protestors in the steets???

From 01/22/2010.

The Obama administration has decided to lift a ban preventing Muslim Scholar Professor Tariq Ramadan from entering the United States. Ramadan, an Egyptian currently living in Switzerland, is a leading member of Europe’s Muslim Brotherhood branch and the grandson of the movement’s founder Hassan al-Banna.
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We're taliking about the grandson of Adolph Hitler's best ally.
 
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#45
He did a bang up job of preventing Iran from going nuclear, not.
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Not really much anyone can do about a country hell bent on having nukes and unwilling to cooperate.
 
#46
#46
VOLatile said:
Not really much anyone can do about a country hell bent on having nukes and unwilling to cooperate.
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There are options. Some more aggressive than others. I believe at some point this situation will have no alternative but to be addressed in some form. The problem is not going away. IMO
 
#47
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gsvol said:
What bothers me most is that Barry and Hitlery are calling for reforms in Egypt loud and clear but why were they silent a couple of years ago when the mullahs of Iran were busting head, torturing and raping prisoners and killing protestors in the steets???
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In my opinion the Iranian Election protests laid the foundation for what we're seeing now across multiple nations. What the people want seems to be a western secular and democratic government. Basically they want a better quality of life, freedoms and employment.

What will they get? Who knows. I highly doubt the Egyptian people desire an Iranian-esque theocratic dictatorship the people have shown to be, by a very wide margin, either supportive about other religions or will lay their lives on the line to ensure the freedom of practice.

I think the powers in Iran saw the writing on the wall. The man the people elected would be a middle-of-the-roader here in the states but for Iran is a left-winger. What they are is no longer in tandem with the desires of the people... who I think have realized they had far better lives before the IR.
 
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VOLatile said:
Not really much anyone can do about a country hell bent on having nukes and unwilling to cooperate.
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You trust Mohamed El-Baradei a heck of a lot more than I do, if he comes to power I would expect a nuclear Egypt soon to follow.

Column One: The pragmatic fantasy

(the link above is a very good, in depth read)

He repeatedly ignored evidence indicating that Iran’s nuclear program was a military program rather than a civilian energy program. When the evidence became too glaring to ignore, Elbaradei continued to lobby against significant UN Security Council sanctions or other actions against Iran and obscenely equated Israel’s purported nuclear program to Iran’s.

His actions won him the support of the Iranian regime which he continues to defend. Just last week he dismissed the threat of a nuclear armed Iran, telling the Austrian News Agency, “There’s a lot of hype in this debate,” and asserting that the discredited 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate that claimed Iran abandoned its nuclear weapons program in 2003 remains accurate.

Elbaradei’s support for the Iranian ayatollahs is matched by his support for the Muslim Brotherhood.
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The Muslim Brotherhood for its part has backed Elbaradei’s political aspirations. On Thursday, it announced it would demonstrate at ElBaradei’s side the next day.
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Sheesh, Cairo is getting to be as bad as Paris, what with all the muslims burning cars in the streets.

Egyptians defy curfew: 'This isn't a demonstration, this is a revolution' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

According to medical sources at least five protesters have been killed and 1,030 wounded in Cairo alone. Thirteen were killed in Suez and six in Alexandria, putting the current death count at 24.
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All around Amin, the crowds shouted "Mubarak! Mubarak! They are waiting for you in Saudi Arabia!" This was in reference to the former president of Tunisia who fled Tunisia amidst the riots that inspired the current Egyptian upheaval and found refuge in Saudi Arabia.
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This was all on the heels of the slaughter of Copts after a Christmas mass when Mubarak said he would 'cut off the hand of terrorism' in Egypt.

tehran times : Hundreds detained in Saudi Arabia over protests

Saudi authorities detained hundreds of demonstrators on Friday in Jeddah who gathered to protest against poor infrastructure after deadly floods swept through Saudi Arabia's second biggest city, police and witnesses said.
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Protesters gathered for about 15 minutes after Friday prayers on a main Jeddah shopping street and shouted 'God is Greatest' before authorities broke up the protest and detained participants, a witness who works in a nearby shop told Reuters.
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$200 Oil on the Horizon? | Conservatives4Palin

The Suez Canal and the Suez Canal pipeline transport about 4.5 million barrels of oil per day between the two, so when oil investors/traders see protesters on tanks in the Suez, it creates panic because they’re concerned about the delicate balance between supply and demand on the world’s oil.
Any disruption in oil supply spikes prices, and these events are certainly cause for disruption.

Also very important is the geographic location — just across the canal is Saudi Arabia — the world’s largest producer of oil. If this unrest spills over into Saudi Arabia, prices could double to $200/barrel!
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Thousands Protest for Reform in Jordan | Middle East | English

Thousands of demonstrators have taken to the streets again in Jordan. They are protesting inflation, unemployment, and corruption, and demanding sweeping electoral reforms.

The new wave of demonstrations broke out after Friday Muslim prayers in Amman and several other cities across the kingdom.
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The protests are led largely by left-wing groups who call attention to the disparity between the rich and poor in Jordan.
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Jordan's Islamists have also joined the demonstrations, .......
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BREAKING: Israeli Embassy Staff Evacuated | World Threats

CBS Radio news is now reporting that the staff of the Israeli Embassy have been evacuated. This is eerily similar to 1979.
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BREAKING: ElBaradei Arrested, Followers Beaten | World Threats

Mohammed ElBaradei, the top opponent of Egyptian dicatator Hosni Mubarak, has been placed under house arrest.
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EGYPT: Embassy in Venezuela briefly taken over by protesters

The Egyptian Embassy in Caracas was briefly taken over by protesters opposed to the regime of President Hosni Mubarak, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said.

The protesters entered the embassy peacefully under the pretext of collecting documents, Chavez said, according to news reports.
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#49
#49
DC Vol said:
In my opinion the Iranian Election protests laid the foundation for what we're seeing now across multiple nations. What the people want seems to be a western secular and democratic government. Basically they want a better quality of life, freedoms and employment.

What will they get? Who knows. I highly doubt the Egyptian people desire an Iranian-esque theocratic dictatorship the people have shown to be, by a very wide margin, either supportive about other religions or will lay their lives on the line to ensure the freedom of practice.

I think the powers in Iran saw the writing on the wall. The man the people elected would be a middle-of-the-roader here in the states but for Iran is a left-winger. What they are is no longer in tandem with the desires of the people... who I think have realized they had far better lives before the IR.
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I see exactly the opposite for the most part in many respects.

The people of Iran definately by an large don't support the IR. (or power grab as the case may be.)

I do agree that most of the people of Egypt don't want an Iranian-esque theocratic dictatorship but that may be just what they get.
 
#50
#50
Obama has been more realpolitik than any prez since HW. Obama went as far as cutting funding to Egypt for democracy and governance programming by more than half, from $50 million in 2008 to $20 million in 2009. Def not the promotion of human rights, democracy, freedom, etc. that Bush frequently expressed. Out of the blue, SOTU expressed idealism, which completely throws this entire thing out of whack. The Arab Street and Muslim Brotherhood hates our guts, these are the same morons that danced in the streets and honked their horns after 9/11. Help those crying for "Freedom" and you get Lebanon 2.0. Supporting Mubarak is well within our national interest.
 
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