The Arab Revolts

#52
#52
Mubarak's family is in London, and he sworn in his intelligence chief as the Vice President.
 
#54
#54
People are looting in Egypt by riding around on motorcycles and scooters with samurai swords.

Insane.
 
#55
#55
Interesting notes:

Some demonstrators are carrying signs and chanting things about human rights & justice and THEY are not the violent ones, they are not looting. The talk on the street is that Mubarak opened up some of the jails and let out thugs to terrorize neighborhoods, while calling back the police. They think it might be a strategy to have the people want him back to restore order. It's nice people out during the day and hoodlums at night. If the demonstrators see vandalism or violence being perpetrated they chase down the vandal, lock him in a garage and call the police. She said mostly the police are ok, just doing their job. But police stations have been trashed and guns stolen. Citizens have to deal with looters. Right now where she is groups of men are outside of the buildings and blocking cars so they can check every single car before letting it pass through the neighborhood. People are really united.

The word is that the army is on their own right now i.e. they were given orders to shoot to disperse the crowd and they refused. When they saw that the men in the neighborhood were out protecting the area they told them it was good that they were standing there and gave them an emergency number to call.
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#56
#56
bam15 said:
Obama has been more realpolitik than any prez since HW. Obama went as far as cutting funding to Egypt for democracy and governance programming by more than half, from $50 million in 2008 to $20 million in 2009. Def not the promotion of human rights, democracy, freedom, etc. that Bush frequently expressed. Out of the blue, SOTU expressed idealism, which completely throws this entire thing out of whack. The Arab Street and Muslim Brotherhood hates our guts, these are the same morons that danced in the streets and honked their horns after 9/11. Help those crying for "Freedom" and you get Lebanon 2.0. Supporting Mubarak is well within our national interest.
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What you say makes a lot of sense but unfortunately I don't think that's how the American government is looking at it, they have been attempting to undermine Mubarak for years according to wikileak documents.

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#57
#57
This great scene is, IMO, being formulated by bad people. On the surface it looks like a youth driven democracy movement, but in Egypt true "Democracy"might not be the best bet, as 10% of the worlds shipping goes through the canal.

Civil War is the end state if things keep going here, heck, maybe gs can get over there and get a chance to slaughter kids, as he feels bad about missing out on Srebenica and Doboj.

Back to the matter, we're better off with what is there than the war that will ensue with democratic elections.
 
#58
#58
So I'm sitting here at a restaurant watching one of the TVs that is tuned in to CNN. So they are covering the riots and protests in Egypt when I notice one of the messages on the crawl at the bottom of the screen.

"Tear gas used on Egyptians made by company in the US"

Why is this even relevent? Oh, unless CNN is just America hating again and trying to influence their audience.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So I'm sitting here at a restaurant watching one of the TVs that is tuned in to CNN. So they are covering the riots and protests in Egypt when I notice one of the messages on the crawl at the bottom of the screen.

"Tear gas used on Egyptians made by company in the US"

Why is this even relevent? Oh, unless CNN is just America hating again and trying to influence their audience.
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It's a photo of tear gas canister made in the USA. This photo has gone viral, that's why CNN ran that on the ticker.
 
#60
#60
It's being reported that there is looting of museums going on. Also that those doing the looting are actually policemen and freed criminals...yeah, the government actually intentionally freed criminals to incite violence.
 
#61
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VOLatile said:
It's being reported that there is looting of museums going on. Also that those doing the looting are actually policemen and freed criminals...yeah, the government actually intentionally freed criminals to incite violence.
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Doubtful.
 
#62
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JTrainDavis said:
Doubtful.
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Nothing has been reported stolen, only cases and such have been broken. Nothing seriously damaged. Made to look like the protesters have been looting.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/eyewitnesses-say-state-sponsoring-vandalism

“They were sent by the government. The government got them out of prison and told them to rob us,” says Nameer Nashaat, a resident working alongside other youths to preserve order in the district. “When we caught them, they said that the Ministry of Interior has sent them.”
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“The government wants people to believe that this is an uprising of convicts, which is not the case. The government is the one that is a criminal,” Khalil Fathy, a local journalist covering the events closely, said.
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The police are shooting to kill, as reported by the hospitals.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/hospital-says-police-shooting-kill

The doctor said the wounds were from live bullets, not rubber bullets, and most appeared to be aimed at the head and heart, leading him to believe that orders to the riot police were to kill, not injure, the tens of thousands of protesters who took to the streets in anti-government protests this week.

"I rarely saw rubber bullet wounds," he said.
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#64
#64
I see the reasoning behind the government doing so, they pull the police back and let escaped convicts and secret police loot stores and allow the people to see the security situation and beg the government to enforce the laws again. That isn't happening though.

Hosni Mubarak's regime will fall, that is not the question, the question is will he resign or will the people or military remove him from power? The key I see so far is the military isn't firing into the crowds or enforcing the curfew. That tells me that the military is divided on which side to support in the revolution.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just think, all Israel has been fighting for is a strip of land no bigger than Connecticut, yet these clowns can't spare a single square inch of land? Seriously?
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I'd say Israel is cranking out all the ammo that it can in anticipation of future conflict.
 
#67
#67
Having a country like Egypt overthrown and taken over by Islamic Extremists would obviously be bad for world peace. Similar to what happened in Iran years ago.
 
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For any of the early-morning political junkies -- David Cameron is on Fareed Zakaria. Egyptian opposition leader ElBaradei will appear as well.
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ElBaradei just tried to say The Muslim Brotherhood is not dangerous. A minority that wishes democracy upon the population.

Pleaseeeee...
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Rachid Ghannouchi returns to Tunisia, he is the leader of the main Islamist group there. Also I think most know this but ElBaradei has joined the Egyptian protests.
 
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El Baradei has also been backed by the Muslim Brotherhood... The Muslim Brotherhood says they want to put religion aside and get true democratic elections. Can't say I believe a word of that.

I haven't seen anyone report on whether El Baradei has made any public statements about the Muslim Brotherhood's support or not.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan is raising a raucous now, too.

Al Jazeera's also been kicked out of Egypt.
 
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VOLatile said:
El Baradei has also been backed by the Muslim Brotherhood... The Muslim Brotherhood says they want to put religion aside and get true democratic elections. Can't say I believe a word of that.

I haven't seen anyone report on whether El Baradei has made any public statements about the Muslim Brotherhood's support or not.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan is raising a raucous now, too.

Al Jazeera's also been kicked out of Egypt.
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Will not be surprised to see Syria next on the list. It remains to be seen if this is the Middle-East's 1989, for one I'm not holding my breath over it.
 
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#73
I can't beiieve it wasn't made in China or Mexico. At least we can't say the US doesn't still make stuff...



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#75
A little more on the topic:

The Red-Green Alliance: Muslim Brotherhood, ANSWER Battle Mubarak

(Links to what the MB is saying, above)

It should come as no surprise, then, that the hard
left– aligned always with elements of the most radical
Islamists against US interests– are joining the battle
on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood.

This repeats the pattern begun during the 1979
Iranian Revolution, as leftists like Michel Foucault
serenaded Ayatollah Khomeini and the promise of
a theocratic regime in that country. That a
homosexual like Foucault would prefer the Shariah-
adherent totalitarianism that was unleashed in Iran
to the more pro-Western Shah is testament to the
hard left’s fetishization of the post-colonial narrative:
anything but America, and the more militantly anti-
American, the more “legitimate.” Dinesh D’Souza
argued, I believe convincingly, last year that
Obama is similarly predisposed.
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Personally I think anyone who doesn't agree with
the final sentence of the above quote is either
delusional or terminally dense.

Here is a little background on Foucault:

Michel Foucault was one of the many horrible
French “thinkers” unleashed on the world in the
French post-colonial period. He was particularly
disgusting (he was not just a homosexual, but
was involved in SM and had nasty theories
supporting his practices), but he wasn’t alone.

They hated France, they hated Western civilization
in general, they idealized - or even idolized - the
brutal non-Western savage and regarded any hurt
inflicted upon France or upon the West as cause
for celebration. They hated Christianity (which,
like Nietzsche, they regarded as a “slave religion”)
and exalted the brutality and cruelty of Islam.

They were all radical leftists, but there’s no
contradiction at all between Islamic beliefs and
a Communist-style centralized and collectivist
economy controlling a population. Islam is very
collectivist, and like all socialist economic theories,
permits the party chiefs (the mullahs and sheiks)
to live a life of luxury. They’re special, after all.

Incidentally, homosexuality, particularly tinged with
sadomasochism, is quite acceptable among the
powerful in the Muslim world, and pederasty is not
even a crime; that’s what young boys are for, isn’t
it?
Livius
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Sadly America is nowadays eaten up with just
such the same sort of nonsensical thinking and
rhetoric.

So we should see the same thing happening in
America in the future as is now happening in Egypt.

Perhaps not in exactly the same manner, for one
thing we don't try to marginalize the MB in America,
we are trying to mainstream it, particularly since
Obama.

A couple of examples:

AUGUST 2010 The Obama WH announced
the 'Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations
associated with the Muslim Brotherhood,' will bring
25-30 Muslim leaders of 20 national Muslim groups
August 31 to Washington, DC.

The Muslim groups will attend a special workshop
presented by the White House and US Government
agencies, including Agriculture, Education, Homeland
Security, HHS, etc., to provide the groups tax funding,
government assistance and resources. "The August
31 workshop will provide special access for the Muslim
Brotherhood organizations. We pledge to provide direct
access and cut through red tape. " "The US Government
and the Muslim groups will hold an Iftar dinner breaking
the fast of Ramadan after the workshop. " SOURCE
bigpeace.com

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The Muslim Brotherhood in America
CBN News ^ | Sept 21, 2010 | Stakelbeck
FR Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010
by bronkburnett

The Muslim Brotherhood is a group that's committed
to jihad, sharia law and establishing Islamic domination
in the U.S. The organization shares the same goals as
al Qaeda, but some experts believe -- as a long-term
threat to American security -- the Brotherhood is more
dangerous than Osama bin Laden's followers.(Excerpt)
Read more at cbn.com ...
 
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