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#676
I see Alonso and Khedira in front of the back four. Then Kaka, when healthy behind a trio of di Maria, higuain and Ronaldo.
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#680
volball625 said:
Champions League draw. Anyone watching?
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Since Liverpool didn't qualify for CL this year, I'd have to say Spurs are the team I'll be pulling for this season. They got off to a rough start in their first game one the road against Young Boys, but came back strong at home to qualify for the group stage with ease.
 
#681
#681
Tottenham is going to have a hard time qualifying from their group. Barcelona got a great draw. Pretty pleased with how things went today besides Inter sweeping the awards.
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#683
#683
Bob Bradley gets a 4-year contract extension. Good for him.

I'm a relative newcomer to soccer, but it seems to me that he has had some success as coach of Team USA.
 
#685
#685
Bradley doesn't suck, but we need to do whatever it takes to make Klinsmann the coach here.
 
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#689
TylerD said:
I think it the lack of talent has a bit to do with it as well..
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Just curious, what kind of talent do you think we have? Because it's certainly not bad.

We were a bit banged up on defense, but we should never have played Ricardo Clark. In four years, we better be seeing Torres getting a hell of a lot more playing time than Edu, Clark, or Holden in the midfield.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Just curious, what kind of talent do you think we have? Because it's certainly not bad.

We were a bit banged up on defense, but we should never have played Ricardo Clark. In four years, we better be seeing Torres getting a hell of a lot more playing time than Edu, Clark, or Holden in the midfield.
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Can you say you believe we are on par with the talent of France, Italy, England, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, etc? I wouldn't even feel comfortable in saying that we will have more talent than Ghana or Mexico in the 2014 WC unless some players come on strong..

Are our players bad? No. Do we lack the talent that other major countries have? Most definitely.
 
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#691
TylerD said:
Can you say you believe we are on par with the talent of France, Italy, England, Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, etc? I wouldn't even feel comfortable in saying that we will have more talent than Ghana or Mexico in the 2014 WC unless some players come on strong..

Are our players bad? No. Do we lack the talent that other major countries have? Most definitely.
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We're a borderline top 10 in talent. You're focusing too much on name recognition. The talent of France, England, and Portugal are all wildly overrated. None of those 3 deserve to be mentioned with the other teams you listed. Especially England. They're fans are concerned with the lack of young talent they have.
 
#692
#692
Strange week in the EPL. I like the way Arsenal is playing right now. Can't wait to see them play better teams. Too bad that Liverpool match was in the first week. They'd beat them right now.
 
#693
#693
tvolsfan said:
We're a borderline top 10 in talent. You're focusing too much on name recognition. The talent of France, England, and Portugal are all wildly overrated. None of those 3 deserve to be mentioned with the other teams you listed. Especially England. They're fans are concerned with the lack of young talent they have.
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Say what you want but England, France, and Portugal have more talent than we do.. So, if you feel that those teams shouldn't be mentioned with the top teams I would hate to see where we are.

If you think France has a lack of talent you are crazy.. I would take any of these guys any day (not counting the suspension BS)

Anelka, Ribery, Benzema, Malouda, Gourcuff, Sagna, Clichy, Evra, Mexes, Lassana Diarra, Abidal, and Hugo Lloris..

I would even take a lot of their 2nd string..

Some teams just don't translate their talent into a team effort, but that doesn't make them any less talented. I would like to see who you think has talent that isn't overrated.

As far as England, I think Joe Hart, Jack Wilshere, Theo Walcott, and a few others show promise.. Also, Rooney is only 24 and the new Rooney- Nick Powell is only 16.
 
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#694
Panthro said:
Strange week in the EPL. I like the way Arsenal is playing right now. Can't wait to see them play better teams. Too bad that Liverpool match was in the first week. They'd beat them right now.
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This is true.. We were playing so slow against Liverpool. Hopefully they keep this pace up until the Chelsea match on Oct 3rd.

I want to see more of Carlos Vela and less of Arshavin not putting the ball in the back of the net with open opportunities. I also cannot wait until Walcott gets back.
 
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#695
TylerD said:
Say what you want but England, France, and Portugal have more talent than we do.. So, if you feel that those teams shouldn't be mentioned with the top teams I would hate to see where we are.

If you think France has a lack of talent you are crazy.. I would take any of these guys any day (not counting the suspension BS)

Anelka, Ribery, Benzema, Malouda, Gourcuff, Sagna, Clichy, Evra, Mexes, Lassana Diarra, Abidal, and Hugo Lloris..

I would even take a lot of their 2nd string..

Some teams just don't translate their talent into a team effort, but that doesn't make them any less talented. I would like to see who you think has talent that isn't overrated.

As far as England, I think Joe Hart, Jack Wilshere, Theo Walcott, and a few others show promise.. Also, Rooney is only 24 and the new Rooney- Nick Powell is only 16.
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Joe Hart will be good, but no way I trade our young talent for theirs. And as far as the French players, their talent is vastly overrated, including Ribery. They have some very solid defenders I'd kill for our on national team. Their midfield is wildly overhyped and their forwards are athletic, but anyone expecting them to dominate is crazy. Just because FIFA 10 says France is good doesn't mean France is good. Their world cup failure was easy to predict.

At no point did England, France, or Portugal have a good shot at winning this World Cup. In fact, none of them even played a really good game, and it's not because they have awful coaching (except France). Comparing their talent to a team like Germany is laughable. They all have more talent than us right now, but not by that much, and we may pass them up in a few years.

As far as where the debate started, we didn't make it further because we choked. We should have beaten Ghana, and to be honest, we didn't play to our potential in any game.
 
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#696
#696
How do you guys see Bayern Munchen and Werder Bremen doing today? I'm a bit concerned with Munich as they haven't been playing up to par the past couple.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Joe Hart will be good, but no way I trade our young talent for theirs. And as far as the French players, their talent is vastly overrated, including Ribery. They have some very solid defenders I'd kill for our on national team. Their midfield is wildly overhyped and their forwards are athletic, but anyone expecting them to dominate is crazy. Just because FIFA 10 says France is good doesn't mean France is good. Their world cup failure was easy to predict.

At no point did England, France, or Portugal have a good shot at winning this World Cup. In fact, none of them even played a really good game, and it's not because they have awful coaching (except France). Comparing their talent to a team like Germany is laughable. They all have more talent than us right now, but not by that much, and we may pass them up in a few years.

As far as where the debate started, we didn't make it further because we choked. We should have beaten Ghana, and to be honest, we didn't play to our potential in any game.
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That was what our entire debate was about, but you have just now finally admitted it. Thank you. haha


Personally I would take Walcott and Wilshere in the US any day.. I'm a gooner though. lol


Edit: I would also like to add that I hope you are right. I hope that our young talent proves to show great promise and we do well in future WC's. It is just intimidating to see how well Brazil was performing when their kids are only 18-21. They are going to be unbelievable, but hey! who knows?
 
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#699
#699
speaking of FIFA 10.. add me on there if you want. (to whoever plays)


Live gamertag: TylerALYRIA
 
#700
#700
TylerD said:
Edit: I would also like to add that I hope you are right. I hope that our young talent proves to show great promise and we do well in future WC's. It is just intimidating to see how well Brazil was performing when their kids are only 18-21. They are going to be unbelievable, but hey! who knows?
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Things could always not pan out, but we're getting much better. In the next 20 years we'll have established ourselves as a constant contender for the World Cup, IMO.
 
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