The Bachmanns and "reparative therapy"

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droski said:
yes i've read it and frankly i wonder if anyone writing it has even an elementary understanding of economics.
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It's weird how Paul Krugmann refuses to debate these harmless ABCT hacks who have no elementary understanding of economics.
 
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sjt18 said:
Romney being a pretty typical country club Republican is why I can't support him. He's a "me too" liberal who found being pro-choice, pro-gov't healthcare, pro-regulation, etc inconvenient when he started trying to become President.

The GOP's best shot is Perry. Others would make good Presidents but would not make it through the demagogury of the MSM. Bachmann is less "right" than Obama is "left". His "vetting" was VERY polite from the MSM. Bachmann's will not be.
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You didn't answer the question.

Is Romney's religion a factor (not the biggest, smallest, third, etc. -- just a factor at all) for who you support in the primary, and then in the general?
 
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sjt18 said:
Romney being a pretty typical country club Republican is why I can't support him. He's a "me too" liberal who found being pro-choice, pro-gov't healthcare, pro-regulation, etc inconvenient when he started trying to become President.

The GOP's best shot is Perry. Others would make good Presidents but would not make it through the demagogury of the MSM. Bachmann is less "right" than Obama is "left". His "vetting" was VERY polite from the MSM. Bachmann's will not be.
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This is dead on IMO. Rodney's problem isn't his religion, it's his RINO tendencies.
 
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nbakerld said:
There's $8 trillion in gold in the world. I believe our currency is at $2 trillion. All I push for is freezing the money supply.

Fact? A causal relationship in this instance can't even be proven as fact.

The Federal Reserve has been around since 1914.
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and how much of that gold is available for purchase?

of course it can.

and it didn't use it's authority for monetary policy until AFTER the great depression.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You didn't answer the question.

Is Romney's religion a factor (not the biggest, smallest, third, etc. -- just a factor at all) for who you support in the primary, and then in the general?
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nobody cares about his religion. They care about Jobs. The people who do care about his religion, dont matter because Obama isnt going to carry those counties/states anyway.
 
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nbakerld said:
It's weird how Paul Krugmann refuses to debate these harmless ABCT hacks who have no elementary understanding of economics.
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why would he waste his time? do you debate the crazy homeless lady down the street who thinks the world is about to end?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You didn't answer the question.

Is Romney's religion a factor (not the biggest, smallest, third, etc. -- just a factor at all) for who you support in the primary, and then in the general?
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No. It would only be a factor if he said he needed to go to the LDS leadership for policy approval.
 
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droski said:
and how much of that gold is available for purchase?

of course it can.

and it didn't use it's authority for monetary policy until AFTER the great depression.
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No it can't, and it's alarming that you think something like that can be proven as fact.

And banks were practicing fractionalized banking under the federal reserve which is an indirect way to manipulate the money supply.
 
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droski said:
why would he waste his time? do you debate the crazy homeless lady down the street who thinks the world is about to end?
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Major fail, and I thought you were better than this.

Do the crazy homeless lady's theories win her nobel prizes? Does she have a popular following? ABCT has a huge following inside and outside of academic circles. It's a force to be reckoned with. It's not some crazy homeless lady.
 
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volinbham said:
Ron Paul? -- of course you get the extreme small govt approach.

Huntsman? -- somewhat fits the bill

I still would have taken Rudy Guiliani
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Curious to see more from Huntsman. He's probably the one R I could see myself voting for in 2012.

sjt18 said:
Romney is the one GOP candidate that I am almost certain cannot beat Obama. He is this year's Bob Dole. If you can vote for Obama or someone whose policies you cannot distinguish from Obama's but who is much less likeable... there's no reason not to vote for Obama.

All the condemnations of Bachmann from our "tolerance" sensitive people is laughable. This is WORSE than the Obama must be Muslim stuff.

She won't be elected. The character assassination of the left will ensure she isn't. They've been terrified of the "next Reagan for over 20 years now. Anyone who is genuinely conservative and potentially charismatic enough to get things done... will be demonized at all costs... the first cost is usually the truth through some exaggeration.
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Good analogy with Romney to Bob Dole, but you honestly think he stands the worst shot at Obama out of the GOP field right now? That Pawlenty or Santorum have some sort of puncher's chance?

As far as Bachmann goes, that's the nature of politics. FNC and the right, the birthers, etc. were going hard at a political crucifixion of Obama years after he took office.

Now MSNBC and the left are hard at it uncovering the bat**** views and crackpot therapy practices that Bachmann has, and unlike Obama's birth certificate, are already confirmed and a matter of public record.

Not saying one is worse than the other as far as character assassination goes, but it's fair game. Deal with it.
 
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nbakerld said:
No it can't, and it's alarming that you think something like that can be proven as fact.

And banks were practicing fractionalized banking under the federal reserve which is an indirect way to manipulate the money supply.
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we can prove that recessions lasted longer before the fed started actively manipulating interest rates. only debate is if other factors are the reason.

very indirect.

nbakerld said:
Major fail, and I thought you were better than this.

Do the crazy homeless lady's theories win her nobel prizes? Does she have a popular following? ABCT has a huge following inside and outside of academic circles. It's a force to be reckoned with. It's not some crazy homeless lady.
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show me a major economic professor who believes we should get rid of the fed. i'd love to see it.
 
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droski said:
we can prove that recessions lasted longer before the fed started actively manipulating interest rates. only debate is if other factors are the reason.

very indirect.

show me a major economic professor who believes these theories. let me see it.
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Where is there proof of that? I'd love a link if you have one. I am sure there is data to support what you are saying, but the data on recessions before the Fed started actively manipulating interest rates is very limited.

Very indirect? Yeah, they can lend out 10x what they take in, but let's downplay the impact this has on money supply, speculation, bubbles, etc.

Off the top of my head: Murray Rothbard, FA Hayek (nobel prize winner), Von Mises, Walter Williams, Thomas DiLorenzo. By the way, economists have an incentive to support a system of government planning and central banking. It's how they ensure there is a larger job market for their "expertise". Alan Greenspan supported a gold standard until his career got in the way.
 
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By the way Droski, you didn't watch that 7 minute video, did you? Really if you just watch that video, I bet you change your tune a bit. I am sure interest rates have never been explained to you this way.
 
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droski said:
we can prove that recessions lasted longer before the fed started actively manipulating interest rates. only debate is if other factors are the reason.

very indirect.



show me a major economic professor who believes we should get rid of the fed. i'd love to see it.
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Had an economics discussion with Baker some time back. He quoted a source from Murray Rothbard, champion of the Free Market Anarchy theory. I disagreed that anarchy and zero regulation was a good idea. This, I got the impression, is the position that Baker takes in regards to economics.

If I am mistaken, Baker, I apologize. I am not trying to speak for you. I just thought it might shed some light on the situation for droski.
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JayVols said:
Had an economics discussion with Baker some time back. He quoted a source from Murray Rothbard, champion of the Free Market Anarchy theory. I disagreed that anarchy and zero regulation was a good idea. This, I got the impression, is the position that Baker takes in regards to economics.

If I am mistaken, Baker, I apologize. I am not trying to speak for you. I just thought it might shed some light on the situation for droski.
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That's fine. The word "freedom" is a lot less scary than "anarchy", but other than that I wouldn't change anything.
 
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nbakerld said:
Where is there proof of that? I'd love a link if you have one. I am sure there is data to support what you are saying, but the data on recessions before the Fed started actively manipulating interest rates is very limited.

Very indirect? Yeah, they can lend out 10x what they take in, but let's downplay the impact this has on money supply, speculation, bubbles, etc.

Off the top of my head: Murray Rothbard, FA Hayek (nobel prize winner), Von Mises, Walter Williams, Thomas DiLorenzo. By the way, economists have an incentive to support a system of government planning and central banking. It's how they ensure there is a larger job market for their "expertise". Alan Greenspan supported a gold standard until his career got in the way.
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List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I don't agree with some of the lengths of recessions. edit: notice the smaller gap between recessions.

comparing that to the economic stimulus resulting from significantly lowering interest rates is ridiculous.

i haven't heard of any of these people.
 
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nbakerld said:
By the way Droski, you didn't watch that 7 minute video, did you? Really if you just watch that video, I bet you change your tune a bit. I am sure interest rates have never been explained to you this way.
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no i didn't watch it. i don't need to watch it to understand interest rates.
 
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droski said:
no i didn't watch it. i don't need to watch it to understand interest rates.
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Here is a youtube video of Rothbard' take on the Fed. It's long (over an hour) but you can get a feel for his views without watching the whole thing.

Once again, I do NOT subscribe to Rothbard's views. This is for informational purposes only.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta7q1amDAN4

Don't know why it wont link. I simply searched Google- Rothbard youtube Federal reserve.
 
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back to the OP, show me where Bachmann has written a book detailing where she has bought in to the garbage being spewed by her former pastor. Obama has done so with "Audacity of Hope" in which he falls for Wright's version of black liberation theology hook, line and sinker.
 
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