The Bachmanns and "reparative therapy"

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nbakerld said:
OK, Droski. Pop quiz: what coordinating role do interest rates play in the market place?
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milohimself said:
Curious to see more from Huntsman. He's probably the one R I could see myself voting for in 2012.
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They could get you but likely lose me and about 10 more like me...

Good analogy with Romney to Bob Dole, but you honestly think he stands the worst shot at Obama out of the GOP field right now? That Pawlenty or Santorum have some sort of puncher's chance?
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Yes because they would at least offer a choice. It might be a choice that the majority doesn't want... but still a choice.

Both IMO would be very competent Presidents... both are unlikely to be in the race by winter.

Romney is simply too much like Obama. I could see him saying "me too" alot in a debate with BO.

As far as Bachmann goes, that's the nature of politics. FNC and the right, the birthers, etc. were going hard at a political crucifixion of Obama years after he took office.
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Most of that however was based on things BO actually said or the clear patterns of hate in Wright. BO attached himself closely to Wright.

Now MSNBC and the left are hard at it uncovering the bat**** views and crackpot therapy practices that Bachmann has, and unlike Obama's birth certificate, are already confirmed and a matter of public record.
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You may not like it but some people who behave as homosexuals for long periods of time do change. This article was VERY biased.

Science is NOT showing that homosexuality is innate. Just the opposite. Studies are failing to show clear biological cause while some homosexuals are "changing" through counseling, spiritual change, and lifestyle management. I am not sure why anyone would have a problem with a therapy that helps people change when they want to change. Why would something that helps people achieve their own chosen end result be "crackpot"?

It isn't like they're being forced to do it... unlike "sensitivity training" and the like.

Not saying one is worse than the other as far as character assassination goes, but it's fair game. Deal with it.
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I'll say it. MOST of the DC press corps and staffs of MSM outlets operate from a liberal paradigm. WE ALL operate with bias... some are honest with themselves and others about it... most in the media are not.
 
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Maybe the 'cure' for homosexuality lies in stem cell research. Oh, wait........
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I realized when starting the thread that we'd eventually have some comments about how this therapy works, defending the far right view that homosexuality is simply an evil choice by the damned.

Really, I'm just surprised it took so long to hear from you.
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sjt18 said:
They could get you but likely lose me and about 10 more like me...


Yes because they would at least offer a choice. It might be a choice that the majority doesn't want... but still a choice.

Both IMO would be very competent Presidents... both are unlikely to be in the race by winter.

Romney is simply too much like Obama. I could see him saying "me too" alot in a debate with BO.

Most of that however was based on things BO actually said or the clear patterns of hate in Wright. BO attached himself closely to Wright.

You may not like it but some people who behave as homosexuals for long periods of time do change. This article was VERY biased.

Science is NOT showing that homosexuality is innate. Just the opposite. Studies are failing to show clear biological cause while some homosexuals are "changing" through counseling, spiritual change, and lifestyle management. I am not sure why anyone would have a problem with a therapy that helps people change when they want to change. Why would something that helps people achieve their own chosen end result be "crackpot"?

It isn't like they're being forced to do it... unlike "sensitivity training" and the like.



I'll say it. MOST of the DC press corps and staffs of MSM outlets operate from a liberal paradigm. WE ALL operate with bias... some are honest with themselves and others about it... most in the media are not.
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Is their therapy available that can cure one from being attracted to blonde and brunette women. Redheads feel left out.

Have you known any homosexuals? Better yet, have you known any homosexuals that had traits/interests of the opposite sex before they were ever aware of any form of sexuality?
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sjt, were these scientific studies you refer to conducted by Focus on the Family? Just curious.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I realized when starting the thread that we'd eventually have some comments about how this therapy works, defending the far right view that homosexuality is simply an evil choice by the damned.

Really, I'm just surprised it took so long to hear from you.
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And I wondered how long it would take someone like you to come in and pompously declare moral superiority against those who simply pointed out that your idea of biological predestination doesn't hold up to scientific or experiential proofs.
 
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IPorange said:
sjt, were these scientific studies you refer to conducted by Focus on the Family? Just curious.
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No. It has been awhile since I cared enough to look but one was the one who came out so hopeful of discovery of a "gay gene". After full review, it didn't pan out.

YOU know that I have NOT precluded the possibility that there are innate factors involved. We have discussed this before. That however does not change the fact that some people who considered themselves homosexuals have changed. It also does not mean that people are biologically predestined to "DO" anything.

Further, it does absolutely NOTHING to demonstrate that homosexual behavior is an unavoidable compulsion. We can still choose to act or not to act on urges regardless of how "natural" they may seem.
 
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JayVols said:
Is their therapy available that can cure one from being attracted to blonde and brunette women. Redheads feel left out.
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Do you genuinely, truly not want to be?

Have you known any homosexuals?
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Yes. Several. In fact, not only have I "known" homosexuals... I know homosexuals. They would tell you that a) I disagree with their lifestyle and believe it to be immoral and b) that I treat them with genuine respect and kindness and tolerance and do not consider their sexuality the whole of them as a person.
Better yet, have you known any homosexuals that had traits/interests of the opposite sex before they were ever aware of any form of sexuality?
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Yes. But that is a meaningless question. Those who advocate environment as the primary cause depend on events that occurred before sexual awareness too.

In fact, there are studies that have tied higher tendencies toward homosexuality to the behavior of the mother and/or alienation from the father. Those studies have their critics but they aren't "crackpot". They are legitimate theories about a complex, multifacted issue.

If homosexuality is or is primarily environmental then the failure to learn how to have a "loving" and appropriately physical relationship with the father could leave a "hole" that a person spends much of their life trying to fill.

Children who grow up materially deprived will often be selfish, obese, or have other problems with security. It is by no means a stretch that environment can shape or influence someone's sexuality very early.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It has been awhile since I cared enough to look but one was the one who came out so hopeful of discovery of a "gay gene". After full review, it didn't pan out.

YOU know that I have NOT precluded the possibility that there are innate factors involved. We have discussed this before. That however does not change the fact that some people who considered themselves homosexuals have changed. It also does not mean that people are biologically predestined to "DO" anything.

Further, it does absolutely NOTHING to demonstrate that homosexual behavior is an unavoidable compulsion. We can still choose to act or not to act on urges regardless of how "natural" they may seem.
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Astounding. That sentence is laden with not so carefully hidden value judgment.

Its exactly the kind of haughty, taking on the role of God, rhetorical trick that makes Christians like me roll our eyes at Christians like you.
 
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sjt18 said:
They could get you but likely lose me and about 10 more like me...


Yes because they would at least offer a choice. It might be a choice that the majority doesn't want... but still a choice.

Both IMO would be very competent Presidents... both are unlikely to be in the race by winter.

Romney is simply too much like Obama. I could see him saying "me too" alot in a debate with BO.

Most of that however was based on things BO actually said or the clear patterns of hate in Wright. BO attached himself closely to Wright.

You may not like it but some people who behave as homosexuals for long periods of time do change. This article was VERY biased.

Science is NOT showing that homosexuality is innate. Just the opposite. Studies are failing to show clear biological cause while some homosexuals are "changing" through counseling, spiritual change, and lifestyle management. I am not sure why anyone would have a problem with a therapy that helps people change when they want to change. Why would something that helps people achieve their own chosen end result be "crackpot"?

It isn't like they're being forced to do it... unlike "sensitivity training" and the like.



I'll say it. MOST of the DC press corps and staffs of MSM outlets operate from a liberal paradigm. WE ALL operate with bias... some are honest with themselves and others about it... most in the media are not.
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Wow. I know that the Bachmann's run a Christian clinic and it shouldn't be viewed as normal, medically accepted therapy by any stretch, and that's fine. But there was a reason they denied that they practiced repairative therapy, and that is because it is absolutely the medically accepted and heavily research-backed conclusion of the vast majority of that community that attempting to "cure" people being gay not only has absolutely no basis whatsoever in science, but typically ends up with the patient in worse mental health than when they started. This stuff they do is about as legitimate as voodoo.

I don't think the Bachmanns hate gay people, by any stretch. I think what they have done is show pretty clear contempt for homosexuality, and that they view it as some sort of disorder, or else they wouldn't be attempting to cure it.

TRUT's view on acceptance of Christ are pretty analogous here; in short, he says he opens his heart to the idea in wait for a revelation. The same goes for homosexuality. I know four people who I would consider close friends that are gay, three women and one man. They are gay because it is what's in their hearts, the same reason that you and I are straight.

This whole conversation and Michelle Bachmann's view of homosexuality as "personal enslavement and bondage" are sickening to me. I would be fine with it if she separated her views from her politics, but she hasn't ever done that so there is absolutely no way I would vote for her.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Astounding. That sentence is laden with not so carefully hidden value judgment.
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No. It is laden with an absolute, objective FACT. You do not have to have sex. I don't. It is a chosen behavior that can be controlled.

Its exactly the kind of haughty, taking on the role of God, rhetorical trick that makes Christians like me roll our eyes at Christians like you.
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What an incredible, arrogant hypocrite you are! I am taking on the role of God? What are you doing? Aren't you speaking for God? Aren't you declaring that He caused something? Where does that come from? Your "rhetorical trick" is to set yourself up as God by condemning those who suggest something is immoral that you have "permitted".

I wouldn't dare to guess what kind of "Christian" you are. Biblically speaking, homosexual behavior is immoral as is fornication in every other form. I can neither deny that it is sin nor can I make it worse than another sin. I can't assume that authority as you have.
 
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I think it would be pretty funny if the first "first man" was a practicing "pray the gay away" therapist while also being so far in the closet he can see Narnia. Might as well go ahead and make it a reality TV show.
 
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Weezy said:
I think it would be pretty funny if the first "first man" was a practicing "pray the gay away" therapist while also being so far in the closet he can see Narnia. Might as well go ahead and make it a reality TV show.
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Wouldn't be the first time someone hid behind false piety as camouflage for their own degeneracy.
 
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Weezy said:
I think it would be pretty funny if the first "first man" was a practicing "pray the gay away" therapist while also being so far in the closet he can see Narnia. Might as well go ahead and make it a reality TV show.
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Cant believe it took this long for someone to point out this little bit of irony.
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sjt18 said:
I wouldn't dare to guess what kind of "Christian" you are. Biblically speaking, homosexual behavior is immoral as is fornication in every other form. I can neither deny that it is sin nor can I make it worse than another sin. I can't assume that authority as you have.
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While I 100% disagree with your stance, I give you props for not mincing words...and believing what is clearly written in the religious text you subscribe to. Liberal and/or more moderate Christians are being less honest with themselves...embracing hypocrisy in the interst of political correctness, whether they want to admit it or not.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Didn't god promote acceptance as well? People are frustrating.
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More of a Jesus thing really. He was the one hanging out with perceived prostitutes and drunks and tax collectors. Saying crazy stuff like love your fellow man or render unto caesar that which is caesar's. God is way into smiting evildoers
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