The Bruce Pearl Rally (merged)

#476
#476
yoranguavol2 said:
Do the Pearl haters (those who have been so for years now) honestly believe that most UT fans don't want CBP back? Surely you can see past your hat.... I mean hate of the man and the coach to see that most do not feel the way you do! There are a very vocal minority on this board that have been clamoring for his head from day one.... and no it does not have anything to do with wins and losses.

He made a big mistake and has and will continue to pay the price for that mistake, but most UT fans are willing to give him a second chance. It's okay if you don't and never will. All I ask is that you don't paint all UT fans with the same brush. Some of us don't hate the man and are willing to give him a chance to redeem himself.
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Im not a Pearl hater but he has to go. I understand that a majority of fans want him to stay. But you have to realize that a majority of those same fans are honestly clueless when it comes to basketball and how things work. They want to keep Pearl no matter what. To me it sounds like bandwagon fans because they aren't taken the good of the program into consideration. They don't understand that the AD can at least make us somewhat right with the NCAA by cutting ties. By keeping him, we still lose him anyways and still take steps back. Say we do keep him, we suspend him and hire an intern coach to man the troops in his absence, when he comes back, would kids even come here??? It sends a bad message across the table that we are willing to put up with anything and were stuck with that reputation.
 
#479
#479
zjcvols said:
Look, this is going to hurt. So I'll be nice.

Your opinion doesn't matter. My opinion doesn't matter. Hat's opinion doesn't matter. It's up to the chancellor the BOT, and Jim Haslam. Either you can't stand to look at Pearl, or believes he should be banned from coaching for life, it doesn't matter. The higher ups have spoken, and they have given him the hook. It's done with.
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I hope you are wrong, but if not then I understand why they let him go. Are his action worthy of a firing? maybe! I'll concede that, but insist that there are far worse activities going on around this conference and country which are not getting this much scrutiny. I don't understand the timing of the decision and I have never understood the hate of the man among some on this board.
 
#480
#480
yoranguavol2 said:
I hope you are wrong, but if not then I understand why they let him go. Are his action worthy of a firing? maybe! I'll concede that, but insist that there are far worse activities going on around this conference and country which are not getting this much scrutiny. I don't understand the timing of the decision and I have never understood the hate of the man among some on this board.
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You just can't lie to the NCAA my friend. You just can't.
 
#481
#481
yoranguavol2 said:
I hope you are wrong, but if not then I understand why they let him go. Are his action worthy of a firing? maybe! I'll concede that, but insist that there are far worse activities going on around this conference and country which are not getting this much scrutiny. I don't understand the timing of the decision and I have never understood the hate of the man among some on this board.
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Much more sensible post. Disregard my previous post in response to you.
 
#484
#484
LawVol13 said:
Look, get off of the "give him a second chance" stuff. If we keep him, we are going to be hammered by the NCAA. How in the world some of you guys can't see that, I have no idea. It's not as simple as just forgiving the man.
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I am on the fence. i see what you are saying and partially agree with all parties involved. I am willing to be horrible for 3 years if Bruce gets the 2 year suspension. However I am also prepared to give a new coach the reigns of new top 20 program that exist here.
 
#485
#485
yoranguavol2 said:
I hope you are wrong, but if not then I understand why they let him go. Are his action worthy of a firing? maybe! I'll concede that, but insist that there are far worse activities going on around this conference and country which are not getting this much scrutiny. I don't understand the timing of the decision and I have never understood the hate of the man among some on this board.
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Whether his actions in and of themselves are a fireable offense is not the issue at hand. The fact that the NCAA hammer is looming over our heads if we choose to keep him is. Like others have stated, electing to keep him at this point is very much like flipping the NCAA the bird.
 
#486
#486
Shaun1985 said:
Im not a Pearl hater but he has to go. I understand that a majority of fans want him to stay. But you have to realize that a majority of those same fans are honestly clueless when it comes to basketball and how things work. They want to keep Pearl no matter what. To me it sounds like bandwagon fans because they aren't taken the good of the program into consideration. They don't understand that the AD can at least make us somewhat right with the NCAA by cutting ties. By keeping him, we still lose him anyways and still take steps back. Say we do keep him, we suspend him and hire an intern coach to man the troops in his absence, when he comes back, would kids even come here??? It sends a bad message across the table that we are willing to put up with anything and were stuck with that reputation.
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Not really my point. I was trying to say that most fans DO want him back - whether they understand the whole picture is beside the point - and that the "Pearl haters" just don't understand that. They think that anyone who supports Pearl or even wishes that there was a way to keep him are in the minority. The truth is that most fans of UT basketball have great appreciation for what Pearl has done for the program (prior to this latest debacle) and would have liked to see where he could have taken the program. There are a few on the board that never supported him... even when he took this program to places that we had never been (at least in modern era).
 
#487
#487
yoranguavol2 said:
Not really my point. I was trying to say that most fans DO want him back - whether they understand the whole picture is beside the point - and that the "Pearl haters" just don't understand that. They think that anyone who supports Pearl or even wishes that there was a way to keep him are in the minority. The truth is that most fans of UT basketball have great appreciation for what Pearl has done for the program (prior to this latest debacle) and would have liked to see where he could have taken the program. There are a few on the board that never supported him... even when he took this program to places that we had never been (at least in modern era).
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The problem with that is it's not a legitimate opinion if the person is ignorant of the facts of the situation. Just because a bunch of ignorant fans don't understand what's going on and just spout off "keep Bruce" doesn't amount to any legitimate support for Pearl.
 
#489
#489
yoranguavol2 said:
I hope you are wrong, but if not then I understand why they let him go. Are his action worthy of a firing? maybe! I'll concede that, but insist that there are far worse activities going on around this conference and country which are not getting this much scrutiny. I don't understand the timing of the decision and I have never understood the hate of the man among some on this board.
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Having a vacancy now:
1. The most possible coaches can be contacted
2. There is plenty of time for the new coach to come in, gain acceptance, and put his own mark on the team
3. The NCAA can take their anger out on Bruce via a 2 year ban, which doesn't really affect him as he probably wasn't coaching for a couple years regardless

Waiting until the NCAA rules:
1. The NCAA hits Bruce with his 2 years and us for sticking by him. We then have no Bruce for 2 years and heavy sanctions
2. The hot names in coaching will have either already been taken or already committed to their current school
3. The new coach won't have much time to get accepted by #teambruce, and will be hard-pressed to get the amount of backing he deserves
 
#490
#490
"If we keep BP we are screwed by the ncaa for a few years but keep our beloved coach and keep the family together. If we fire BP we are STILL SCREWED and have a lower tier coach that was willing to take the job. No brainer. I hope I have not attended my last b-ball game."

So, even though we are screwed both ways, let's keep the liar.
 
#491
#491
LawVol13 said:
The problem with that is it's not a legitimate opinion if the person is ignorant of the facts of the situation. Just because a bunch of ignorant fans don't understand what's going on and just spout off "keep Bruce" doesn't amount to any legitimate support for Pearl.
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still "legitimate opinions"... you may not agree with them, but they still have the right to support the man and pine for what might have been! Again, my position is that the "pearl haters" don't understand that many have and continue to support him... in spite of their hate.
 
#493
#493
from what i've seen on fb and talkin to other ppl who are vol fans that are not on this site that the majority of ppl want bruce to stay
 
#494
#494
Griff should do everybody a favor and get a real job. This pretend one is not working.
 
#495
#495
LawVol13 said:
Well, I'm glad the nation got a good laugh at the expense at the moronic side of our fanbase.
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Let me see if I understand. 100 people go to a rally, they don't want CBP fired. Thus they are all moronic. Let's assume they know all the facts just for the sake of argument.


What does that make Cheek, Hamilton and the BOT? They've been trying to keep him the whole time, and they definitely know all the facts.
 
#496
#496
crusse10 said:
Having a vacancy now:
1. The most possible coaches can be contacted
2. There is plenty of time for the new coach to come in, gain acceptance, and put his own mark on the team
3. The NCAA can take their anger out on Bruce via a 2 year ban, which doesn't really affect him as he probably wasn't coaching for a couple years regardless

Waiting until the NCAA rules:
1. The NCAA hits Bruce with his 2 years and us for sticking by him. We then have no Bruce for 2 years and heavy sanctions
2. The hot names in coaching will have either already been taken or already committed to their current school
3. The new coach won't have much time to get accepted by #teambruce, and will be hard-pressed to get the amount of backing he deserves
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1- we've taken an unbelievable beating in the press that we would have largely avoided if he was fired initially.
2- our recruiting for this past class and the next two has taken an unknown but significant hit.
3- this season was doomed from the beginning... we gained nothing from keeping him around.
4- we have no idea if the NCAA will even consider the fact that we fired or didn't fire Pearl... some are assuming this with no real knowledge of its validity. It very well be that our punishments will not be effected at all.
 
#498
#498
vol66 said:
Let me see if I understand. 100 people go to a rally, they don't want CBP fired. Thus they are all moronic. Let's assume they know all the facts just for the sake of argument.


What does that make Cheek, Hamilton and the BOT? They've been trying to keep him the whole time, and they definitely know all the facts.
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That's where it falls apart. You and I both know they didn't.
 
#499
#499
I think most fans want what's best for the program... some think that might be with Pearl. I'm not in a position to make the decision and neither are 99.9% of the other folks on this board despite what they might think and claim!
 
#500
#500
yoranguavol2 said:
I think most fans want what's best for the program... some think that might be with Pearl. I'm not in a position to make the decision and neither are 99.9% of the other folks on this board despite what they might think and claim!
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Well, let's hear a justification for it, and then maybe you'll have a point.
 
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