The cancel culture is getting out of control

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volinbham said:
Glad I'm retiring soon

40 percent of liberal professors are afraid they'll lose their jobs over a misunderstanding
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College campuses are definitely different than the real world, as far as this stuff goes.

At my liberal arts college circa 2000, I remember the college Republicans, led by a faculty advisor, staged the marriage of a dog to a person in order to mock gay marriage advocates. That professor would definitely get canceled today. Same university is going through a law suit for punishing (sensitivity training) a professor for not using proper pronouns. Things done changed.
 
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n_huffhines said:
College campuses are definitely different than the real world, as far as this stuff goes.

At my liberal arts college circa 2000, I remember the college Republicans, led by a faculty advisor, staged the marriage of a dog to a person in order to mock gay marriage advocates. That professor would definitely get canceled today. Same university is going through a law suit for punishing (sensitivity training) a professor for not using proper pronouns. Things done changed.
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I'd argue that college campuses are the change catalyst - the environment of intolerance there is already spilling over into the workforce. While the real world will never be as extreme, the seeds are being sown.
 
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volinbham said:
I'd argue that college campuses are the change catalyst - the environment of intolerance there is already spilling over into the workforce. While the real world will never be as extreme, the seeds are being sown.
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Right, but I think it's good for us. Like look at the extremists college students in the 60's pushing for women's rights, civil rights, etc. A lot of them went way too far and that radicalism has continued on for a long time, and it has bled into the workforce, but I would say we're better for it.

Like you say, the real world/workforce isn't as extreme as college campuses, but my wife has an awesome job in finance that she just kind of stumbled into without a college degree, and that would have never happened for her in 1965. Yeah, it sucks that we have to go through sexual harassment training, frivolous law suits, and all the stuff that comes with attempts to demonstrate equality measures, but I'll take a workforce where there is relative equality over just a bunch of white dudes calling every shot.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Right, but I think it's good for us. Like look at the extremists college students in the 60's pushing for women's rights, civil rights, etc. A lot of them went way too far and that radicalism has continued on for a long time, and it has bled into the workforce, but I would say we're better for it.

Like you say, the real world/workforce isn't as extreme as college campuses, but my wife has an awesome job in finance that she just kind of stumbled into without a college degree, and that would have never happened for her in 1965. Yeah, it sucks that we have to go through sexual harassment training, frivolous law suits, and all the stuff that comes with attempts to demonstrate equality measures, but I'll take a workforce where there is relative equality over just a bunch of white dudes calling every shot.
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The protests in the 60s were more about taking young men and sending them to a meaningless war. What a joke it was. Our govt decided that college students didn't have to go(deferment). The saying was "Rich men go to college. Poor men go to war."
But yes "civil rights for everyone" was an issue. Well, maybe not gays.
 
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Go aeiou said:
The protests in the 60s were more about taking young men and sending them to a meaningless war. What a joke it was. Our govt decided that college students didn't have to go(deferment). The saying was "Rich men go to college. Poor men go to war."
But yes "civil rights for everyone" was an issue. Well, maybe not gays.
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The draft, the patriarchy as it was constituted, segregation, etc....it all needed to change.

And it's funny to think college was a rich man's game then and not now, when it's expensive now and was cheap as hell then
 
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So, what's up with college.
Do we not need as many college grads now?
Are we at the point where college is primarily for the wealthy? Or are there plenty of grants for students.
I keep reading about college grads that have $80k of debt upon graduation.

FWIW, influential families were able to keep their sons out of the draft. My wife's first husband was kept out by a friend of his mother's who .was on the local draft board in Athens, TN. So it was a rigged system.
I guess the most obvious is Trump
 
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n_huffhines said:
College campuses are definitely different than the real world, as far as this stuff goes.

At my liberal arts college circa 2000, I remember the college Republicans, led by a faculty advisor, staged the marriage of a dog to a person in order to mock gay marriage advocates. That professor would definitely get canceled today. Same university is going through a law suit for punishing (sensitivity training) a professor for not using proper pronouns. Things done changed.
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I was at UT in the mid 90s and it was everybody from every line of thinking you could imagine, which is how college is supposed to be.. nobody was being shooshed like today.. the difference I see is the administrations of colleges tend to throw in their hats now.. they didn’t do that in the past.. it makes it more charged imo
 
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LadyVolette said:
I was at UT in the mid 90s and it was everybody from every line of thinking you could imagine, which is how college is supposed to be.. nobody was being shooshed like today.. the difference I see is the administrations of colleges tend to throw in their hats now.. they didn’t do that in the past.. it makes it more charged imo
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That is your memory of your experience at UT. Meanwhile, my sister was at BYU and female professors were getting ex-communicated for teaching ideas that were too feminist. Higher learning is a big world in this country.

This is a pretty good article saying the PC campus culture of the 80s and 90s didn't ever really go away, it just went underground because they felt less emboldened after Stanford speech codes were struck down in court. Yes...they tried speech codes in the 90's when nobody was being shooshed ; )

The Second Great Age of Political Correctness
 
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jmacvols1 said:
NHL may cancel LGBT ‘Pride’ nights as growing number of players refuse to wear rainbow gear
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Honestly, while I generally support the advancement and defense of LGBT rights, I disagree with teams forcing players to ostensibly support a political cause they don't really support. In the same way, I disagree with teams forcing players to show patriotism or any other cause.

If the owner of the team wants to put out LGBT messages on Twitter, TV etc, that's fine. Just don't force your employees to be your mouthpiece for a cause that has zero to do with their profession.
 
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evillawyer said:
Honestly, while I generally support the advancement and defense of LGBT rights, I disagree with teams forcing players to ostensibly support a political cause they don't really support. In the same way, I disagree with teams forcing players to show patriotism or any other cause.

If the owner of the team wants to put out LGBT messages on Twitter, TV etc, that's fine. Just don't force your employees to be your mouthpiece for a cause that has zero to do with their profession.
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It should also not be forced on fans at stadiums by owners having 'LGBT nights' like this;

https://dodgers.mlblogs.com/dodgers-to-host-ninth-annual-lgbtq-night-at-dodger-stadium-2dfd25cbe8fa
 
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n_huffhines said:
Miley Cyrus, Dolly Parton's 'Rainbowland' banned from Wis. school
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Lol. A kid's school concert deciding not to sing a song is not "banning". There's a million other songs that they also are not singing and for various reasons, but I wouldn't say they're "banning" them either. You reach so far to try and find "right wing cancel culture" examples and then lift them up as if they are truly equivalent to what we've seen from left wing SJW outrage mobs of the last ten years. The examples are somewhat similar in very narrow ways. They are NOT the same, however, in scope or magnitude.
 
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