The cancel culture is getting out of control

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Sandman 423 said:
I have..... Do you think that Antifa is unorganized? While they don't have a leader that speaks for them, social media allows them to plan and execute their disruptions.
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Look, he said "group" which is not debatable. ANTIFA is a group. Whether or not they are organized enough to be called an "organization" is a matter of opinion. You may judge them to be "organized". You might even call them an "organization". That's fine. The point is it would be completely idiotic to say they are not a group, which is why I probed. The kids playing out in my cul-de-sac right now are a group. They are not an organization, even if they have an organized way of playing. Hopefully, you can see there is a clear distinction between saying "they are not a group" and "they are not an organization".
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is completely getting away from the point. I asked you if it was a mostly peaceful protest?
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It’s an absurd phrase that I don’t use to begin with. I don’t even know how you’d quantify that. I doubt most of the protesters engaged in violence if that’s your standard.

Would you agree Jeffrey Dahmer was “mostly peaceful”?
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, with regard to what DO said, that's not even close to saying, "no one is in ANTIFA."

I think Biden's point was that it's not organized. Of course, it's a group.
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Try to keep up. I never claimed anyone said “no one is in antifa”. Rather I claimed they said it was an ideology and not a group. To which I was correct. So I have no clue why your first sentence is there
 
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Vol8188 said:
Try to keep up. I never claimed anyone said “no one is in antifa”. Rather I claimed they said it was an ideology and not a group. To which I was correct. So I have no clue why your first sentence is there
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Yeah, I clearly said DO said that. Try to keep up.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s an absurd phrase that I don’t use to begin with. I don’t even know how you’d quantify that. I doubt most of the protesters engaged in violence if that’s your standard.

Would you agree Jeffrey Dahmer was “mostly peaceful”?
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Yes, that would be a "mostly peaceful protest"

Dahmer is one person and we are talking about crowds.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yes, that would be a "mostly peaceful protest"

Dahmer is one person and we are talking about crowds.
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I feel like you’re intentionally missing the point. The point is even though it may meet the absurd definition of “mostly peaceful” that no one on the right was defending it at such.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I feel like you’re intentionally missing the point. The point is even though it may meet the absurd definition of “mostly peaceful” that no one on the right was defending it at such.
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The point wasn't about whether or not anybody on either side was defending it. In OP, you were mocking certain statements as if they were absurdly false, one of which was the idea that protests were mostly peaceful. Now you acknowledge that when there is a large crowd and only some of the people behave violently, it's accurate to call it "mostly peaceful." We got on the same page.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The point wasn't about whether or not anybody on either side was defending it. In OP, you were mocking certain statements as if they were absurdly false, one of which was the idea that protests were mostly peaceful. Now you acknowledge that when there is a large crowd and only some of the people behave violently, it's accurate to call it "mostly peaceful." We got on the same page.
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You should be a fact checker.
The point is not if it was 49% or 51% of people who were involved in any riot (BLM, Q, or any other group). The point is if there’s widespread looting, violence, and destruction and your main take away was “only 49/100 people were involved” then you’re blatantly gas lightning or so ideologically driven that you’re incapable of seeing truth.

It’s like the “austere religious scholar headline”. Yeah? I guess it was technically an accurate headline but it doesn’t seem to be the most important aspect of that man’s life. It would be like a headline regarding Hitler’s death as “well known public speaker found dead”. You’re not wrong, but you’re either hiding the important part or too partisan to see it
 
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Vol8188 said:
You should be a fact checker.
The point is not if it was 49% or 51% of people who were involved in any riot (BLM, Q, or any other group). The point is if there’s widespread looting, violence, and destruction and your main take away was “only 49/100 people were involved” then you’re blatantly gas lightning or so ideologically driven that you’re incapable of seeing truth.

It’s like the “austere religious scholar headline”. Yeah? I guess it was technically an accurate headline but it doesn’t seem to be the most important aspect of that man’s life. It would be like a headline regarding Hitler’s death as “well known public speaker found dead”. You’re not wrong, but you’re either hiding the important part or too partisan to see it
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You're still comparing crowds to individuals.

The point is you don't want them to say something accurate and not negative about the protesters you oppose. You want to focus on the negative so much that you don't even want to hear that most were peaceful.

If it were 49% of protesters committing violent acts, my entire city would have burned to the ****ing ground. Even in cities where it was really bad, I highly doubt it was anywhere near 25%. The damage in Portland is estimated at $23m. We're talking 1,000+ protesters everyday for 3 months. 1000 protesters could do $23m in damage in a day.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Does somebody say cancel culture doesn't exist?

Who says that about ANTIFA?

Was the capitol invasion mostly peaceful?
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Luther wrt Antifa, I’ve heard media personalities say as much and a guy I have known for a while also denied the very existence of Antifa...it was “just an idea”. They are out there.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're still comparing crowds to individuals.

The point is you don't want them to say something accurate and not negative about the protesters you oppose. You want to focus on the negative so much that you don't even want to hear that most were peaceful.

If it were 49% of protesters committing violent acts, my entire city would have burned to the ****ing ground. Even in cities where it was really bad, I highly doubt it was anywhere near 25%. The damage in Portland is estimated at $23m. We're talking 1,000+ protesters everyday for 3 months. 1000 protesters could do $23m in damage in a day.
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1000 protesters can do 0 damage in a day. That’s not a protest Huff. There’s a different word for that because it’s a different thing

You’re going off the deep end to defend insanity. My issue isn’t with the factual statement. My issue is with ignoring the actual story. It’s not a question of “was it 25% or 49%?”. That’s not the relevant point.

If your headline for the Holocaust was “most days they didn’t kill any Jews”, you’d be intentionally missing the important aspect of the Holocaust.

If your headline for the capitol riot was “mostly peaceful protests” you’ve missed the story. Would you defend news outlets if that’s how they reported in the Capitol riots or can we both agree that only one side of the isle is excusing political violence?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Link, please.
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Luther’s comments are a matter of record on VN and Google works great. Haven’t called my friend to see if he would come on here and restate his position. I believe they are an organization and act as such. There is a purposely obtuse explanation/argument out there that they are just an “ideology” and not an organization for the sake of convenience. They are very organized in their tactics, operations, communications and funding. Far more than just a group.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1000 protesters can do 0 damage in a day. That’s not a protest Huff. There’s a different word for that because it’s a different thing

You’re going off the deep end to defend insanity. My issue isn’t with the factual statement. My issue is with ignoring the actual story. It’s not a question of “was it 25% or 49%?”. That’s not the relevant point.

If your headline for the Holocaust was “most days they didn’t kill any Jews”, you’d be intentionally missing the important aspect of the Holocaust.

If your headline for the capitol riot was “mostly peaceful protests” you’ve missed the story. Would you defend news outlets if that’s how they reported in the Capitol riots or can we both agree that only one side of the isle is excusing political violence?
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Huh?

Can you find a headline that reads "Mostly Peaceful Protests" and ignores the rioting? I googled news results for '"mostly peaceful protests"' portland and only found this:

Portland protests largely peaceful until police ares targeted after nightfall, authorities say - CNN

This is probably the thing you are freaking out about...it reads "Fiery but mostly peaceful...". It is not ignoring anything. "Fiery" got the best real estate in the headline. They filmed in front of a burning building, which they didn't need to do. If they were trying to bury the lead, why film there? You're just so delicate you need them to word it exactly how you want it or you lose your mind.

CNN ridiculed for 'Fiery But Mostly Peaceful' caption with video of burning building in Kenosha

Can't wait for more holocaust comparisons.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Huh?

Can you find a headline that reads "Mostly Peaceful Protests" and ignores the rioting? I googled news results for '"mostly peaceful protests"' portland and only found this:

Portland protests largely peaceful until police ares targeted after nightfall, authorities say - CNN

This is probably the thing you are freaking out about...it reads "Fiery but mostly peaceful...". It is not ignoring anything. "Fiery" got the best real estate in the headline. You're just so delicate you need them to word it exactly how you want it or you lose your mind.

CNN ridiculed for 'Fiery But Mostly Peaceful' caption with video of burning building in Kenosha

Can't wait for more holocaust comparisons.
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Why did you highlight that first paragraph? Yes, Huff. Protestors do $0 damage. Because destroying property is not a “protest”. That’s a different thing.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why did you highlight that first paragraph? Yes, Huff. Protestors do $0 damage. Because destroying property is not a “protest”. That’s a different thing.
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This is so stupid. I don't want to waste anymore than 30" on this incredibly self-evident notion....there are violent protests and non-violent protests. To say otherwise is completely idiotic and here you go again wanting people to frame events using very specific language that appeases your delicate sensibilities, even though it's accurate to call violent people protesters (if they are in fact using violence as a protest).
 
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Sandman 423 said:
So was Jan 6th mostly a peaceful protest? I don't remember it being reported that way.
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We started the conversation agreeing that it was mostly peaceful. The media is not fair on either side. Right wing media made all kinds of efforts to shift blame and downplay what happened at the capitol.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We started the conversation agreeing that it was mostly peaceful. The media is not fair on either side. Right wing media made all kinds of efforts to shift blame and downplay what happened at the capitol.
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...To the point that some think it was Antifa/BLM that started the riot.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We started the conversation agreeing that it was mostly peaceful. The media is not fair on either side. Right wing media made all kinds of efforts to shift blame and downplay what happened at the capitol.
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I guess i'm just a little more black and white in my views. It was a riot. it may have started peaceful and with good intentions, but it ended in a riot. That is why I asked why we started using the "mostly peaceful" crap. I think when you add the "mostly peaceful" it downplays the severity of the disruption.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I guess i'm just a little more black and white in my views. It was a riot. it may have started peaceful and with good intentions, but it ended in a riot. That is why I asked why we started using the "mostly peaceful" crap. I think when you add the "mostly peaceful" it downplays the severity of the disruption.
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I think it's perfectly fine to mock CNN or Fox News for downplaying bad behavior.

The only reason I called it out is because OP was acting like it's absurdly false to make the claim that it's mostly peaceful. Many people on the left (who are probably in echo chambers) look at right-wing media downplaying the Capitol events and think it's completely absurd...because they are too biased to look at the events with any degree of fairness. Yeah, right wing outlets downplayed what happened...so did I to some degree...but we NEED that healthy perspective. We at least need to consider it. What happened in the capitol was crazy but it's not a good representation of how we should judge the masses of people that were there or their cause. The headlines are mostly going to portray what happened as total madness. Framing events without balancing the perspective tends to lead us down the wrong path. Look at all the **** Biden and his cohorts are threatening to justify because of their view of Capitol events.

Look at what happened with the protests last year. The right-wing echo chamber's way of framing events was a big contributor to conservatives and fake conservatives in completely dismissing the valid protests along with the bad behavior. People that are supposedly for small, accountable government failed to seize this ripe opportunity to reform because we were divided by left and right.
 
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