The cancel culture is getting out of control

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ClearwaterVol said:
No, I have a problem funding institutions that already do not pay property taxes or any taxes for that matter and provide religious instruction.
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Even if it means a better education for more kids? Shouldn’t that be the ultimate goal?

Unions pay no taxes and I imagine you still support those
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are your kids in private schools?
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No. They're 3 and 1. Sending them to Montessori (if they get in) would cost us $9k per year, and vouchers could make a huge dent in that. We can probably afford it, but that's because I drive a 19-year-old truck that my Dad gave me, and an 11 year SUV that I bought off my parents for 50% of bluebook, among many other sacrifices. If the truck breaks down and the home's heat pump needs to get replaced, suddenly we can't really afford it, or I make some other sacrifice, like stop putting into retirement, get a loan, stop eating out, etc.

Lots of people are on the margin, and the math on vouchers makes something like Montessori very affordable to all.

It's my money. Give me half of it back, please?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if it means a better education for more kids? Shouldn’t that be the ultimate goal?

Unions pay no taxes and I imagine you still support those
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Do you support planned parenthood and their use of your tax dollars?

Shouldn't women's health be the ultimate goal?

Or is there a "yes, but..."
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why do you believe the government will make better decisions for your child than you?

Despite all the money and time we’ve spent, no one has an answer for saving kid from bad parents, so I’m not going to attempt to proclaim I have one. Foster homes are a failure. We can’t increase the number of kids we are taking. And we don’t do a good job with the kids we do take out of homes.

You went from calling them 50% of parents to “a small group”.

But vouchers will answer the majority of your concerns. Parents will get to decide on which of the offered options they prefer. I’m sure all of those will include “satanic math”
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Our local governments in theory represent and answer to citizens. Maybe they're best suited to set the curriculum. That's workable, while each parent choosing their own agenda is not.
The 50% and the small group were in different scenarios.
We will not agree on vouchers. There's too much down side for me to support them.
In most areas there's not a big enough market for private schools to offer enough choices to suit all parents' demands. And if a parent refuses math or spelling or English lessons, does that kid get a diploma?
Like it or not standards are necessary. So we're back to the question: if not the current public school arrangement, what?
Many parents send their kids to private schools so they don't have to associate with minorities. And a lot of those parents want the government to compensate them for that. Should vouchers come with a stipulation that a schools accepting them must admit any student?
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Septic said:
Do you support planned parenthood and their use of your tax dollars?

Shouldn't women's health be the ultimate goal?

Or is there a "yes, but..."
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I don’t support federal dollars being spent to fund anyones health care. Nor is an abortion best for “women’s health”. Given there’s numerous other organizations that actually provide womens health care (such as mammograms, which planned parenthood does not) it seems like your analogy fails on many levels
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m certain plenty of Christian companies pave roads with public funding. I don’t see an issue
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There are christian owned companies and there are churches which are in the business of selling salvation.

You're conflating christian people with religious organizations.

I don't think anyone would be good with a church paving roads.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if it means a better education for more kids? Shouldn’t that be the ultimate goal?

Unions pay no taxes and I imagine you still support those
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I believe millions of american children will fall further behind under a voucher system.

I am not in favor of my tax dollars funding them.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don’t support federal dollars being spent to fund anyones health care. Nor is an abortion best for “women’s health”. Given there’s numerous other organizations that actually provide womens health care (such as mammograms, which planned parenthood does not) it seems like your analogy fails on many levels
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so "yes, but..."
 
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EasternVol said:
Our local governments in theory represent and answer to citizens. Maybe they're best suited to set the curriculum. That's workable, while each parent choosing their own agenda is not.
The 50% and the small group were in different scenarios.
We will not agree on vouchers. There's too much down side for me to support them.
In most areas there's not a big enough market for private schools to offer enough choices to suit all parents' demands. And if a parent refuses math or spelling or English lessons, does that kid get a diploma?
Like it or not standards are necessary. So we're back to the question: if not the current public school arrangement, what?
Many parents send their kids to private schools so they don't have to associate with minorities. And a lot of those parents want the government to compensate them for that. Should vouchers come with a stipulation that a schools accepting them must admit any student?
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This post is BS. I send two of my kids to private school and one is dating a black girl so to think private school is to “avoid minorities” is over generalization and stupid. I send my kids to better schools for better academics, better athletic opportunities and better social experience overall without the felons, druggies, and kids who disrupt and teachers who are basically babysitters with no clue or backing from admin how to actually teach
 
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EasternVol said:
Our local governments in theory represent and answer to citizens. Maybe they're best suited to set the curriculum. That's workable, while each parent choosing their own agenda is not.
The 50% and the small group were in different scenarios.
We will not agree on vouchers. There's too much down side for me to support them.
In most areas there's not a big enough market for private schools to offer enough choices to suit all parents' demands. And if a parent refuses math or spelling or English lessons, does that kid get a diploma?
Like it or not standards are necessary. So we're back to the question: if not the current public school arrangement, what?
Many parents send their kids to private schools so they don't have to associate with minorities. And a lot of those parents want the government to compensate them for that. Should vouchers come with a stipulation that a schools accepting them must admit any student?
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Sure standards exist. There’s always going to be massive disagreement on standards. The obvious answer is more choice. Not forcing everyone to accept the standards of the 51%

Admitting any student is the issue with public schools. A false notion that education is a right and everyone must be accepted regardless of their actions/behavior.
 
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Septic said:
There are christian owned companies and there are churches which are in the business of selling salvation.

You're conflating christian people with religious organizations.

I don't think anyone would be good with a church paving roads.
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And a religious school is not a Christian owned business? I’m not seeing the issue
 
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hog88 said:
Our public education system is broken and needs to be revamped to a results orientated system that prepares kids for life after HS.
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There are certainly some issues. A lot of work is going into addressing those issues.
Many of the major stumbling blocks are completely outside the realm of control.
We do what we can with what we have.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I believe millions of american children will fall further behind under a voucher system.

I am not in favor of my tax dollars funding them.
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Seems like you know parents disagree with you. Otherwise you wouldn’t fear them removing their kids from your preferred system.

This is the odd thing about tax dollars. You believe you have a right to take them, but when they’re returned you also believe you have a right to control their use? Seems you just believe in authoritarianism in general
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This post is BS. I send two of my kids to private school and one is dating a black girl so to think private school is to “avoid minorities” is over generalization and stupid. I send my kids to better schools for better academics, better athletic opportunities and better social experience overall without the felons, druggies, and kids who disrupt and teachers who are basically babysitters with no clue or backing from admin how to actually teach
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It's not BS at all. I did not say that you in particular use private school to avoid minorities. But many parents do exactly that and there's no denying it. Many other parents choose private schools for better education, athletic opportunities etc. and that's fine.
You missed the question: Should vouchers come with a no discrimination condition?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Seems like you know parents disagree with you. Otherwise you wouldn’t fear them removing their kids from your preferred system.

This is the odd thing about tax dollars. You believe you have a right to take them, but when they’re returned you also believe you have a right to control their use? Seem you just believe in authoritarianism in general
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I am a parent. We need to make more opportunity for all not saying that it is acceptable to leave millions further behind.

I believe in the separation of church and state. I do not believe the government should be in the business of funding religion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sure standards exist. There’s always going to be massive disagreement on standards. The obvious answer is more choice. Not forcing everyone to accept the standards of the 51%

Admitting any student is the issue with public schools. A false notion that education is a right and everyone must be accepted regardless of their actions/behavior.
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That clarifies, thanks.
Edit - so if we have no more public schools and private schools won't accept them, where will the other kids go to school?
 
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EasternVol said:
It's not BS at all. I did not say that you in particular use private school to avoid minorities. But many parents do exactly that and there's no denying it. Many other parents choose private schools for better education, athletic opportunities etc. and that's fine.
You missed the question: Should vouchers come with a no discrimination condition?
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When minorities intentionally move to segregated neighborhoods or send their children to segregated schools, do you oppose that?

Or do you only play this dumb card for white people
 
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If you want your kids in private schools, send them.

I am going to use the conservatives argument regarding poor people in general. If you cannot send your kids to private school it is nobody's fault but your own. Make better choices. Get a better job. If sending your kids to private school requires it, get a second job or a third job. Get rid of that cell phone, cable. Buy clothes at the local thrift store. etc etc etc.
 
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I've always thought that the best way to introduce vouchers is to give them to the public schools and allow the public schools to give them out to the students they are having the hardest time reaching.
Win - win.
The students getting the least out of public schools will be able to attend private schools.
Private schools will be given the chance to help those most in need.
 
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