The cancel culture is getting out of control

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ClearwaterVol said:
If you want your kids in private schools, send them.

I am going to use the conservatives argument regarding poor people in general. If you cannot send your kids to private school it is nobody's fault but your own. Make better choices. Get a better job. If sending your kids to private school requires it, get a second job or a third job. Get rid of that cell phone, cable. Buy clothes at the local thrift store. etc etc etc.
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My kids will be in private schools either way. I care about the kids who by no fault of their own were born to parents who can’t afford it but still like an excellent education.

You seem to be spending more time expressing your concerns for the parents than the kids and it’s telling
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you want your kids in private schools, send them.

I am going to use the conservatives argument regarding poor people in general. If you cannot send your kids to private school it is nobody's fault but your own. Make better choices. Get a better job. If sending your kids to private school requires it, get a second job or a third job. Get rid of that cell phone, cable. Buy clothes at the local thrift store. etc etc etc.
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Why are you looking for justice, fairness, and/or self-reliance when we should be looking at it searching for the best outcome? We're not talking about spending more $. We're talking about spending it better.

Let's keep spending education budget like idiots because people want cell phones.
 
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luthervol said:
I've always thought that the best way to introduce vouchers is to give them to the public schools and allow the public schools to give them out to the students they are having the hardest time reaching.
Win - win.
The students getting the least out of public schools will be able to attend private schools.
Private schools will be given the chance to help those most in need.
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The kids you’re talking about should just be moved to online learning
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why are you looking for justice or fairness when we should be looking at it searching for the best outcome? We're not talking about spending more $. We're talking about spending it better.
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I could probably get on board with people who have need being able to get a voucher for use for the school of their choosing. The amount of the voucher will never equal the total amount spent per student because there are fixed costs to consider.
 
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Vol8188 said:
My kids will be in private schools either way. I care about the kids who by no fault of their own were born to parents who can’t afford it but still like an excellent education.

You seem to be spending more time expressing your concerns for the parents than the kids and it’s telling
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Are you being intentionally obtuse? My only concern is for the kids from families which the vouchers will not help, but the use of vouchers will leave them even further disadvantaged.
 
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Vol8188 said:
When minorities intentionally move to segregated neighborhoods or send their children to segregated schools, do you oppose that?

Or do you only play this dumb card for white people
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We were discussing whether to allow a book with a drawing of boobs to be in a school library, and then how to best determine such things. Where people choose to live is irrelevant.
But it's an interesting question. Do you think minorities choose to move to segregated neighborhoods, or are those neighborhoods the only place they can find housing? And if you live in a neighborhood you don't have a choice of which public school to attend.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I could probably get on board with people who have need being able to get a voucher for use for the school of their choosing. The amount of the voucher will never equal the total amount spent per student because there are fixed costs to consider.
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Actually, the beauty of a permanent voucher program is that we can adjust for that in the long run and we'll end up with surpluses. Unless, of course, government waste pisses it all away.
 
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EasternVol said:
We were discussing whether to allow a book with a drawing of boobs to be in a school library, and then how to best determine such things. Where people choose to live is irrelevant.
But I's an interesting question. Do you think minorities choose to move to segregated neighborhoods, or are those neighborhoods the only place they can find housing? And if you live in a neighborhood you don't have a choice of which public school to attend.
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Is National Geographic banned? Pretty sure I saw boobs there too.
 
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EasternVol said:
We were discussing whether to allow a book with a drawing of boobs to be in a school library, and then how to best determine such things. Where people choose to live is irrelevant.
But I's an interesting question. Do you think minorities choose to move to segregated neighborhoods, or are those neighborhoods the only place they can find housing? And if you live in a neighborhood you don't have a choice of which public school to attend.
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Where people choose to live is very relevant because it determines a ton about your child’s education. You specifically brought up the claim that people leave schools do to race, not me.

There’s low income housing all over the country. Knoxville for example you can find plenty of cheap places to stay outside of the Austin east school zone. The idea that anyone in 2022 is forced to live in a specific school zone is ignorant
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you want your kids in private schools, send them.

I am going to use the conservatives argument regarding poor people in general. If you cannot send your kids to private school it is nobody's fault but your own. Make better choices. Get a better job. If sending your kids to private school requires it, get a second job or a third job. Get rid of that cell phone, cable. Buy clothes at the local thrift store. etc etc etc.
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You left out bootstraps. Gotta have bootstraps.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Are you being intentionally obtuse? My only concern is for the kids from families which the vouchers will not help, but the use of vouchers will leave them even further disadvantaged.
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As is the case with any government activity, there are winners and losers. Right now there are lots and lots and lots of losers and I'm proposing to you a solution that will at least reduce it to lots and lots of losers. I'm not even sure that on the net, the disadvantaged become more disadvantaged when the public schools will have more $ per student and more teachers per student.

If vouchers were the status quo, then removing them would make the disadvantaged in the private school system even further disadvantaged. You're making that hard choice in either case, so which one yields the most good? I would say the one that gets the most kids out of bad schools.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Where people choose to live is very relevant because it determines a ton about your child’s education. You specifically brought up the claim that people leave schools do to race, not me.

There’s low income housing all over the country. Knoxville for example you can find plenty of cheap places to stay outside of the Austin east school zone. The idea that anyone in 2022 is forced to live in a specific school zone is ignorant
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That's good to know. I don't really care where people choose to live as long as they get equal opportunities.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why are you looking for justice, fairness, and/or self-reliance when we should be looking at it searching for the best outcome? We're not talking about spending more $. We're talking about spending it better.

Let's keep spending education budget like idiots because people want cell phones.
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That is a very hot topic in Manatee Co. That school board can p*ss away money like nobody's business and every few years they want more....you know "for the children." How could any possibly be against more funds for the schools?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Why are you looking for justice, fairness, and/or self-reliance when we should be looking at it searching for the best outcome? We're not talking about spending more $. We're talking about spending it better.

Let's keep spending education budget like idiots because people want cell phones.
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So shouldn't the solution be to give the vouchers only upon need? Families that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford it could while not removing money from the public education system unnecessarily.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
So shouldn't the solution be to give the vouchers only upon need? Families that wouldn't otherwise be able to afford it could while not removing money from the public education system unnecessarily.
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If we're going to have deductions for kids as part of the tax code why not let private school tuition be tax deductible?
 
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