The cancel culture is getting out of control

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EasternVol said:
World Economic Forum
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That was an invitation to cite your source. Instead I have to assume what you’re talking about. Since you didn’t I’ll go off my assumption. You’re probably talking about the social mobility index. That’s not a measure of your ability to rise from poverty. It is a measure of inclusiveness, health, equity, etc. By their own admission.

By including healthcare only (an area they intentionally misrank by pretending we lack access) they intentionally misrank us here
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you want your kids in private schools, send them.

I am going to use the conservatives argument regarding poor people in general. If you cannot send your kids to private school it is nobody's fault but your own. Make better choices. Get a better job. If sending your kids to private school requires it, get a second job or a third job. Get rid of that cell phone, cable. Buy clothes at the local thrift store. etc etc etc.
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I usually don't agree with you but that is language I've heard plenty of conservatives, libertarians, etc use.

Some on here have even said the government has no business telling a private business what to do. Then why would they want federal dollars going to private schools?
 
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DonjoVol said:
I usually don't agree with you but that is language I've heard plenty of conservatives, libertarians, etc use.

Some on here have even said the government has no business telling a private business what to do. Then why would they want federal dollars going to private schools?
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The schools are accepting money from the parents/kids. That’s who they should be accountable to.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The schools are accepting money from the parents/kids. That’s who they should be accountable to.
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The school is also free to use their money as they please right? So they can offer scholarships each year to some kids who are less privileged. I'm sure some already do. And parents are free to raise money to help send some these kids to private schools. There are ways to do things without the government's help.
 
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DonjoVol said:
The school is also free to use their money as they please right? So they can offer scholarships each year to some kids who are less privileged. I'm sure some already do. And parents are free to raise money to help send some these kids to private schools. There are ways to do things without the government's help.
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Sure. No one is asking for anything additional from the government. But if they intend to spend x on a person and the market can do the job more efficiently, why would we not outsource?

If we had universal healthcare but a private surgeon had better outcomes and a lower price point, wouldn’t it be to everyone’s benefit to allow the pt to use a voucher for that surgeon? I see this as no different
 
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Vol8188 said:
100%. Why do we have alternative schools? Because of behavioral/safety issues

Doesn’t online learning eliminate all of that
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We wouldn't just be handing out the vouchers to discipline problems.
Maybe a few would go to to kids with cerebral palsy who need a one on one para-pro.
Or the girl who was burned so bad when her parents' meth lab exploded that she lost both hands and her eyesight. (true)
I could extend this list endlessly.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That was an invitation to cite your source. Instead I have to assume what you’re talking about. Since you didn’t I’ll go off my assumption. You’re probably talking about the social mobility index. That’s not a measure of your ability to rise from poverty. It is a measure of inclusiveness, health, equity, etc. By their own admission.

By including healthcare only (an area they intentionally misrank by pretending we lack access) they intentionally misrank us here
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That's the source. Social mobility is the ability to rise from poverty or sink into it. I don't know that I'd discard their health measures. A lot of Americans don't have access to quality care on par with Europe, Singapore, etc.
I scanned a few other studies and don't see the US leading in any. Are you aware of a study that puts us first?
 
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Vol8188 said:
The schools are accepting money from the parents/kids. That’s who they should be accountable to.
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What? Aren't they afforded the same opportunity as everyone else?
We agree that what they do with that opportunity is on them. Right?
 
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luthervol said:
We wouldn't just be handing out the vouchers to discipline problems.
Maybe a few would go to to kids with cerebral palsy who need a ono on one para-pro.
Or the girl who was burned so bad when her parents' meth lab exploded that she lost both hands and her eyesight. (true)
I could extend this list endlessly.
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The majority of students with academic issues are disciplinary.

But I have no problem with vouchers for special needs. But why only allow that? Why does my kid have to become disfigured or become a behavioral issue to receive a better education?
 
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Vol8188 said:
The majority of students with academic issues are disciplinary.

But I have no problem with vouchers for special needs. But why only allow that? Why does my kid have to become disfigured or become a behavioral issue to receive a better education?
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What? Send your kid to private school if you wish. We're just going to initially use vouchers to help those most in need.
Everyone benefits......unless maybe.........
 
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luthervol said:
What? Send your kid to private school if you wish. We're just going to initially use vouchers to help those most in need.
Everyone benefits......unless maybe.........
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You didn’t answer the question. Why not allow the vouchers for everyone?

Why would a child need to be horrifically burned or a disciplinary issue to qualify?
 
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Luther’s ideal educational system:

If you want a school voucher you must hit a teacher, call in a bomb threat, fail all your classes, or become horrifically disfigured
 
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Vol8188 said:
The majority of students with academic issues are disciplinary.

But I have no problem with vouchers for special needs. But why only allow that? Why does my kid have to become disfigured or become a behavioral issue to receive a better education?
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If you cannot afford it then you don't get to. If you can then do. Simple really.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You didn’t answer the question. Why not allow the vouchers for everyone?

Why would a child need to be horrifically burned or a disciplinary issue to qualify?
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I answered that question at the beginning of this debate.....
Because it would lead to further segregation of schools and put an increased burden on public schools.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you oppose legislation that would cost you nothing but open up additional educational opportunities for the middle and lower class?

Simple really
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Here is another perspective. If you are given the cost that it takes to educate a student in the form of a voucher, you are taking money I contributed to the public school system via property and income taxes. Why are you entitled to take my money? Keep in mind I have no children in the system.
 
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luthervol said:
I answered that question at the beginning of this debate.....
Because it would lead to further segregation of schools and put an increased burden on public schools.
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Giving poor kids money to attend private schools (your actual argument) would cause segregation? Can you explain how that works because I’ve yet to see you do so.

But if that poor kid has discipline concerns/deformities/academic issues (those three categories would include a lot of poor kids) you have no problem with their “segregation”?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Here is another perspective. If you are given the cost that it takes to educate a student in the form of a voucher, you are taking money I contributed to the public school system via property and income taxes. Why are you entitled to take my money? Keep in mind I have no children in the system.
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So you’re okay with your money being spent on that kid but not if the parent has say in it and being able to attend their preferred school?

If you’re paying for it anyone why does it matter?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you’re okay with your money being spent on that kid but not if the parent has say in it and being able to attend their preferred school?

If you’re paying for it anyone why does it matter?
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I do not want vouchers. If we do use vouchers then they should be used in away that does not increase the segregation and damage public education. There is an easy solution. Let vouchers be used for those most in need and in a way that shares the burden of educating EVERYONE.
 
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luthervol said:
I do not want vouchers. If we do use vouchers then they should be used in away that does not increase the segregation and damage public education. There is an easy solution. Let vouchers be used for those most in need and in a way that shares the burden of educating EVERYONE.
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You avoided the question, again
 
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