The Comic Book/Graphic Novel thread

[bamacheats]

I just read this entire thread and have no F'n clue what you guys are talking about. Lol!

What's the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?

 

[BenGrimm]

I just read this entire thread and have no F'n clue what you guys are talking about. Lol!

What's the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?

Nothing really. Comic Book is usually in reference to single issues. Graphic Novel is term introduced to make the medium sound less juvenile and generally is a collected edition of 4 or more issues. Although there are Original GNs that were only published in they format.

 

[firestorm]

I just read this entire thread and have no F'n clue what you guys are talking about. Lol!

What's the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?

A graphic novel collects issues so you don't have to be modre than 3 issues so price can 15 bucks higher.

A comic book has one story's s light, and has one story at a price of 3 or four dollars.

If you are talking about recent posts most delusional super villains as super villains that believe things about their actions, and other things that is clearly bullcrap.
For example Loki saying that he is ruler of Asgard when he isn't, Roderick Kingsley saying the Hobgoblin is 100 original with zero similarities to the Green Goblin when obviously it does including using a glider,etc.

 

[bamacheats]

Thanks guys. I'm a comic book retard. I've heard of Batman, Superman, and Spiderman. That's about it.

X-Men movies would probably be more enjoyable if I had ever heard of any of the characters.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

I just read this entire thread and have no F'n clue what you guys are talking about. Lol!

What's the difference between a comic book and a graphic novel?

Here is a pic of some graphic novels!

 

[BenGrimm]

Thanks guys. I'm a comic book retard. I've heard of Batman, Superman, and Spiderman. That's about it.

X-Men movies would probably be more enjoyable if I had ever heard of any of the characters.

Comics extend past the superhero genre. There are probably a ton of movies you didn't realize were based off comics such Red, The Losers, Road to Perdition and A History of Violence.

 

[BenGrimm]

A buddy of mine went to Nashville Comicon yesterday and got some books signed be Stan Lee.

X-Men #1
Journey into Mystery #83 (first Thor)
Tales of Suspense #39 (first Iron Man)
Avengers #4 (first silver age Captain America)
Amazing Fantasy #15 (first Spider-Man)

 

[BenGrimm]

Ive let this thread slip away.

I recently caught up on the last two Fables paperbacks. It was sad to hear the series will be coming to a close early next year. You could tell the plot lines are starting to wind down. Vol. 18 was just so-so. Probably the worst of the series. Vol. 19 however, was pretty intense. Took one of the major characters off the table for who knows how long. Really shocked by that.

 

[BenGrimm]

Here is a pic of some graphic novels!

Not a bad little stack there Cagle. Have you read the entire Invisibles run? I love Grant Morrison but I had a harc time getting into that series. Its been a while since I tried. Maybe I should dig thrm back out and try agian.

You know Morrison sued Warner Bros and the Wachoski Bros (siblings?) for lifting his ideas from that series for The Matrix?

 

[PotS]

Interesting you bump this. I just recently decided to try to get into the Batman chronology.

Being that I've never read a single batman comic or book, I have no idea where to start.

After searching on the internet, I went down to the local shop yesterday and was recommended to start with Batman: Year One.

 

[BenGrimm]

Interesting you bump this. I just recently decided to try to get into the Batman chronology.

Being that I've never read a single batman comic or book, I have no idea where to start.

After searching on the internet, I went down to the local shop yesterday and was recommended to start with Batman: Year One.

That's a pretty good place. I would follow that up with The Long Halloween. Then maybe Knightfall.

Eventually you will get to The Dark Knight Returns but everything is kind of down hill form there.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Not a bad little stack there Cagle. Have you read the entire Invisibles run? I love Grant Morrison but I had a harc time getting into that series. Its been a while since I tried. Maybe I should dig thrm back out and try agian.

You know Morrison sued Warner Bros and the Wachoski Bros (siblings?) for lifting his ideas from that series for The Matrix?

Actually that wasn't from my personal collection but I do have Batman: knightfall in the individual issues from getting them back in the day! I still love to get individual issues and have about 15 Long Boxes (and need more!)

 

[PotS]

That's a pretty good place. I would follow that up with The Long Halloween. Then maybe Knightfall.

Eventually you will get to The Dark Knight Returns but everything is kind of down hill form there.

Thanks for the recommendations, will check them out.

 

[BenGrimm]

Thanks for the recommendations, will check them out.

One thing to consider about Batman (or pretty much all DC characters), there really isnt a fluid chronology to go through from beginning to end/current. In the 75 years since the character first appeared, DC has rebooted their history a few times (most recently in 2011).

Sure the monthly stories carry over from issue to issue but most are forgettable. The best Batman stories are more or less just a smorasborg of stories that take place in various periods of their careers.

For exsmple, Year One was written in the late 80's. It doesnt really incorporate any of the original origin stories from the 1940's other than the base elements. Long Hlloween was written in late 90's but takes place in Batman's earliest years before Robin came around. Currently the is a Year Zero story running in the monthly titles. Then you have the Dark Knight Returns which about Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement. None of which needs to be read in any particular order.

Long story short, my advice is just ask what the best Batman stories are and dont worry as much about chronology.

 

[PotS]

One thing to consider about Batman (or pretty much all DC characters), there really isnt a fluid chronology to go through from beginning to end/current. In the 75 years since the character first appeared, DC has rebooted their history a few times (most recently in 2011).

Sure the monthly stories carry over from issue to issue but most are forgettable. The best Batman stories are more or less just a smorasborg of stories that take place in various periods of their careers.

For exsmple, Year One was written in the late 80's. It doesnt really incorporate any of the original origin stories from the 1940's other than the base elements. Long Hlloween was written in late 90's but takes place in Batman's earliest years before Robin came around. Currently the is a Year Zero story running in the monthly titles. Then you have the Dark Knight Returns which about Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement. None of which needs to be read in any particular order.

Long story short, my advice is just ask what the best Batman stories are and dont worry as much about chronology.

Blew through Year One, going to pick up Long Halloween tomorrow.

After reading Year One, and looking at the setting for the new Fox show Gotham, it looks as if the TV show is portraying Gordon as getting to Gotham while Bruce is a kid, but in Year One, Gordon gets to Gotham right at the same time Bruce is unveiling Batman?

Is there some history I'm missing here?

 

[BenGrimm]

Blew through Year One, going to pick up Long Halloween tomorrow.

After reading Year One, and looking at the setting for the new Fox show Gotham, it looks as if the TV show is portraying Gordon as getting to Gotham while Bruce is a kid, but in Year One, Gordon gets to Gotham right at the same time Bruce is unveiling Batman?

Is there some history I'm missing here?

The show will be conpletely different from anything in the comics.

For instance, Smallville is nothing like Superman's teenage years in the comics. Of course that has been changed a few times. Some time lines he was Superboy and others he wasnt.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

The show will be conpletely different from anything in the comics.

For instance, Smallville is nothing like Superman's teenage years in the comics. Of course that has been changed a few times. Some time lines he was Superboy and others he wasnt.

Just like the Dark knight trilogy, Man of Steel, Arrow etc.. they will pick and choose from all different sources to come up with there own history that still fits in to who the characters are.

 

[BenGrimm]

Just like the Dark knight trilogy, Man of Steel, Arrow etc.. they will pick and choose from all different sources to come up with there own history that still fits in to who the characters are.

Exactly. In the Dark Knight Trilogy, Begins was heavily influenced by Year One but Rises showed Gordon as a beat cop when Bruce's parents were murdeded in a flashback.

Truth be told even the comics only pull a little here and there from the past continuity when rebooting the history. Its really up to the current writer (or what the editor lets him get away with). Grant Morrison's recent Batman run incorporated bits and pieces from every era of Batman. But I wouldnt reccomend jumpings into that until you familarize yourself woth Morrison's style.

 

[BenGrimm]

Been catching up on Daredevil and Indestructible Hulk. Both by Mark Waid.

Daredevil is wrapping up before relaunching again with the same creative team. He did a great job about returning DD to a happier character while also playing off of the status quo that Bendis established over his 5 or so year run.

Hulk actually relaunching again too. Ive really enjoyed Waids take on Banner using SHIELD to fund his research in exchange for SHIELD getting to use the Hulk as a weapon. He's done a great job of demonstrating Banner's insecurities about his place amongst Marvel's greatest scientific minds. The inconsistent art has been the only thing really hurting this series.

 

[firestorm]

Daredevil and fantastic four are both rebooting for movies.

Not shocking daredevil had the egregious move of not just putting in to many characters also the wretched move of making daredevil a murderer.

The 2nd fantastic four sucked even more with the worst depiction of a super villain that has no damn resemblance at all to Galactus.
It was like let's use Chicago style pizza in a movie but cut bread In triangle shapes with dirt on it. Yes no damn resemblance at all.

 

[BenGrimm]

Pulled from the Star Wars thread....

I started collecting both Spider-Man and X-Men in the early '80's. Both were totally mutilated by retcons over the years. What Quesada allowed them to retcon in Spider-Man was tantamount to sacrilege, starting most prominently with Gwen having twins by Norman Osborn and leading all the way to the whole Mephisto reboot. I don't know what they've done since, but after all that, I lost the characters I had grown up on so I stopped caring.

Best story ever IMO was the Dark Phoenix Saga. I remember reading it as a kid and it was magical. I was a little perturbed when they brought Jean back because it took away from the magic of that story, but I eventually got over it. When they had Scott leave Jean for Emma, it was the beginning of the end for me.

I understand the need for some retcons. As time passes by, they'll come a point it no longer makes sense Frank Castle fought in Vietnam. But pointless retcons ruin great characters.

I agree about Gwen. That's when I quit reading Spider-Man for a few years. I liked JMS as writer on his own properties but I was never really into his Spider-Man run. It even prevented my from checking out Peter David's Friendly Neighborhood series because it launched with the Other crossover. I didn't read the One More Day arc but picked up the first issue of BND out of curiosity. It was like a breath of fresh air that SM hadn't had in over a decade. OMIT did a decent job of explaining the Peter/MJ tweak in history. I accepted it for what it was and enjoyed the move forward. Dan Slott just lost my and stories like Spider-Island and End of the Earth. Even though I thought the Spidey Ock premise had some potential, I was just tired of the series so #700 was my jumping off point.

As for X-Men... Their continuity has been convoluted going back to the Claremont days. I'm a big fan of Grant Morrison. He shook up X-Men for the better IMO. It was in a rut of rotating writers who never seemed to find their footing with the characters. Cyclops has often been a little fickle when it comes to women (Madelyn Prior!!!) so his relationship with Emma wan't a big deal to me. I don't really feel anything was retconned in his run. If anything, he put Jean back where she belonged.... in the grave. After he left I read Joss Whedon and Warren Ellis's Astonishing X-Men runs but quit after that. I'm pretty sure Jean is still dead too, thankfully (well adult Jean anyway).

 

[chatsworth_vol]

I just saw this today on yahoo.

Female Thor?

What do you people that keep up with the comics think of the change? Sounds kinda odd, but then again my only knowledge of the comic characters comes from the movies. Do you think this may have any effect on the following Thor or Avengers movies?

 

[hndog609]

I just saw this today on yahoo.

Female Thor?

What do you people that keep up with the comics think of the change? Sounds kinda odd, but then again my only knowledge of the comic characters comes from the movies. Do you think this may have any effect on the following Thor or Avengers movies?

Completely guessing but I have to believe it's going to be a temporary Beta Ray Bill/Eric Masterson kind of thing.

 

[BenGrimm]

I just saw this today on yahoo.

Female Thor?

What do you people that keep up with the comics think of the change? Sounds kinda odd, but then again my only knowledge of the comic characters comes from the movies. Do you think this may have any effect on the following Thor or Avengers movies?

There has actually been a female variation of Thor since the 70's names Valkerie (this also comes from the same era as Spider-Woman and She-Hulk) although she is nowhere near as powerful.

I'm assuming that what you read about is a character named Angela that first appeared in Todd McFarlane's Spawn (published by Image Comics). The character, along with a few others that became integral to that book, was created by Neil Gaimen when he was a guest writer on the title back in the early 90's. Angela was a warrior angel who hunted and killed Hellspawn throughout history.

Years later Gaimen and McFarlane had a falling out over the rights to another title called Miracle Man. A property that McFarlane had acquired but Gaimen still had partial ownership of as well. (There is a loooooong story regarding strange publicatio and legaln history of Miracle Man).

Anyway, Gaimen ended up suing McFarlane for the rights to the characters he had created for Spawn, which included Angela. Gaimen won and McFarlsne was forced to stop using them. This was all in the early 2000's.

Meanwhile, Marvel has made nice with Gaimen during this whole legal battle. Last year there was a story called Age of Ultron (same as Avengers 2) that ended with something about the time stream being broken or some such and on one of the last pages was Angela shown entering the Marvel Universe, confused and pissed off.

Since then she has appeared in a coupe of issues here and there, including a few Guardians of the Galaxy issues co-written by Gaimen. Currently there is a storyline going on called Original Sin which is introducing a bunch of retroactive continuity additions. One of those is claiming there is a Tenth Realm which is where Angela comes from and Odin is her father... ergo Thor's half sister.

As for how it will affect the movies? My guess is not much. The character is still technically on loan from Gaimen so introducing her to the films would probably cause some royalty headaches. I also doubt Marvel will risk pissing off Gaimen by introducing a copycat character in the movies.

On a side note, the Miracle Man title that created the rift between McFarlane and Gaimen is currently being remastered and reprinted by Marvel. In essence, McFarlane is a two time loser in this.

 

[chatsworth_vol]

Marvel's new Thor will be a woman | The Verge

Marvel is excited to announce an all-new era for the God of Thunder in brand new series, THOR, written by Jason Aaron (Thor: God of Thunder, Original Sin) complimented with art from Russell Dauterman (Cyclops).

This October, Marvel Comics evolves once again in one of the most shocking and exciting changes ever to shake one of Marvel’s "big three" – Captain American, Iron Man and Thor – Marvel Comics will be introducing an all-new THOR, GOD OF THUNDER. No longer is the classic male hero able to hold the mighty hammer, Mjölnir, a brand new female hero will emerge will who will be worthy of the name THOR. Who is she? Where did she come from and what is her connection to Asgard and the Marvel Universe?

"The inscription on Thor’s hammer reads ‘Whosoever holds this hammer, if HE be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.’ Well it’s time to update that inscription," says Marvel editor Wil Moss. "The new Thor continues Marvel’s proud tradition of strong female characters like Captain Marvel, Storm, Black Widow and more. And this new Thor isn’t a temporary female substitute – she’s now the one and only Thor, and she is worthy!"

Series writer Jason Aaron emphasizes, "This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is THOR. This is the THOR of the Marvel Universe. But it’s unlike any Thor we’ve ever seen before."