the consequences of the spread

#51
#51
1972 Grad said:
The thing that I think that a lot of people are missing is that Graham was working with an entirely new group of people. I wonder what most people on this forum would do if they moved to work at the college that they graduated from, and they worked with about 25 people , and every one of them left. I am saying 25 because I really don't know how many Graduate Assts, support staff, weight room people , trainers, etc.

Then, they get offered a job doing the same thing with someone that they know(Sanders, Sunseri), like, and respect, and get more money to do it. It seems like a no brainer to me.
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All good points. I don't blame Jay at all. He is still one of my favorite Vols.
 
#52
#52
We're going to be a zone read team, just like South Carolina.

That has nothing to do with Graham.
 
#53
#53
bbeacham said:
Florida ran the spread under Urban Meyer and pretty well spanked us consistently! I don't know if Muschamp runs it at all, but, they still spank us consistently!
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...Oregon, (undefeated) Ohio State, AU with Cam, etc. Spread not the issue, imo Wait a minute! Hasnt CBJ said he doesnt intend to run the spread, anyway?
 
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#54
#54
Bluetic said:
...Oregon, (undefeated) Ohio State, AU with Cam, etc. Spread not the issue, imo Wait a minute! Hasnt CBJ said he doesnt intend to run the spread, anyway?
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+1, and what he said was something along the lines of being a power running team out of spread formations. He also mentioned something about spread being associated with finesse and very different from the pro styled systems and that he was blending those elements together. Think the Redskins and that will be close to what we see. The NFL spread zone is power based with some zone read elements and some other basics to keep the d from collapsing.
 
#55
#55
99gator said:
You can disagree and you did. That's fine.

But, is it ridiculous to believe the new system may have had a role?
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Here's the thing...take the 6 retards that liked your post and get the eff out. No one cares about your opinion on why Graham left. :wavey:
 
#56
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FBtime said:
Here's the thing...take the 6 retards that liked your post and get the eff out. No one cares about your opinion on why Graham left. :wavey:
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You are correct sir. I don't really care about his opinion.

Then again. I don't care about yours either really. So are you going to get the eff out too?
 
#58
#58
Consequences of opening a 99 thread

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#60
#60
Hey everyone let's go start a thread on Florida,Vanderbilt ,and Alabama's forums....... o wait they don't have any forums worth a shlt.....thinks freak for such a great forum.
 
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#61
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Biopsyman said:
Chest Bumping is bad unless it is with Kate Upton
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If i recall correctly, every time i saw TT in orange doing a chest bump, it was after we made a big play.

If chest bumps equtes to a big play for Tennessee
then i say it is a GOOD thing, and something we need more of
 
#63
#63
Coastypop said:
If i recall correctly, every time i saw TT in orange doing a chest bump, it was after we made a big play.

If chest bumps equtes to a big play for Tennessee
then i say it is a GOOD thing, and something we need more of
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Coasty, what's crackalackin homey?
 
#64
#64
99gator said:
if i were trying to kick the nest, i'd argue that graham is no longer at tennessee because tennessee doesn't give a damn about their own.

i'd say that graham should feel honored. he could join majors and fulmer as coaches the school just tossed to the side like they were trash.

that's if i were trying to kick the nest.

but, i didn't say that
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#67
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99gator said:
i wanted to let the board cool down a bit before posting this.

but, i think part of the reason tee martin and jay graham are not at tennessee is a direct consequence of the spread.

there are positives and negatives to everything.

the negative of the spread is that only a few run it and only a few coach it. some don't even want to coach it. they don't believe in it philosophically and if they rise in the coaching ranks that's not the route they want to go.

well, since tennessee has never run the spread, there is no vfl who is familiar with the spread.

this is a blessing in a way. it's one thing for players to adjust to a new system, but you don't want coaches to have to adjust to a new system.

it also ain't a picnic going back from the spread to a more traditional offense when the time comes.

don't be too hard on tee or jay. it makes a whole lot of sense
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I think there is merit to this post. At least as much merit as the posts I've seen regarding Ainge or Basilio's comments. Truth be told, it's probably a little of all of the above.

As with all schemes, there are different versions. Urban Meyer's offense with Tim Tebow, Gus Malzahn's no huddle with Cam Newton, Chip Kelly's no huddle, etc...

So, the question is why would a RB Coach, or a QB coach not come to/stay at Tennessee? Money? Sure. Status/title? Sure. Better program currently? Sure. Easier recruiting grounds? Sure.

Why not offensive philosophy? Tee Martin, Jay Graham and Randy Sanders all came up in a similiar college system. QB, under center, 2 backs, a TE , shotgun for 2nd, 3rd and long, no huddle at the end of halves...etc..In other words, a system, like most NFL teams had until very recently.

Tennessee has not recruited a dual threat QB in some years. Tennessee hasn't typically recruited small, very fast RB's. This is going to be much different going forward.

I think it is all together possible, as you stated 99, that many coaches don't believe in the philosophy and to go further...many think it's a gimmick. Do I? No. However,if I were a coach that had a back ground for some years in the wing T and now I had to call plays out of a pistol with one back...there would be a learning curve, no? Some coaches would be up for learning something new, others might move on and continue to teach what they know. Further, recruiting is effected by the offense or defense a school runs and it's probably hard to convince a kid that he's good for any old system. More plainly, if a RB knows he's splitting carries on the goal line with the QB (Tim Tebow, for instance) , does he go to UF or Alabama?

I've seen Chaney's offense mentioned in comparison to CBJ's. That is absolutely apples and oranges. The numbers bear it out. How many 1000 yard rushers did Chaney have at Purdue or UT? Butch Jones on the other hand nearly always has one, though at CMU, it was the QB and even at Cincy, if the QB wasn't the leading rusher he was #2.

Couple all of that with the fact that every other coach on board is ready to hit the ground running In The System...I have no issue with Martin or Graham, they have their reasons and they did their time as players and both were outstanding players for UT.
 
#70
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therealitytheory said:
I think it more a matter of Tee's wife loving the whole southern californee scene. Swimmin' pools, movie stars...
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With very high taxes, complete incompetence, and too many idiots here in California. You guys in Tennessee are very luck. Don't ever move to California, any of you. You'd regret it.
 
#71
#71
99gator said:
i wanted to let the board cool down a bit before posting this.

but, i think part of the reason tee martin and jay graham are not at tennessee is a direct consequence of the spread.

there are positives and negatives to everything.

the negative of the spread is that only a few run it and only a few coach it. some don't even want to coach it. they don't believe in it philosophically and if they rise in the coaching ranks that's not the route they want to go.

well, since tennessee has never run the spread, there is no vfl who is familiar with the spread.

this is a blessing in a way. it's one thing for players to adjust to a new system, but you don't want coaches to have to adjust to a new system.

it also ain't a picnic going back from the spread to a more traditional offense when the time comes.

don't be too hard on tee or jay. it makes a whole lot of sense
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This couldn't be any more true. People get stuck in the ways they learned after awhile. Graham only knows under center football rather than urban ball. Id rather have 9 butch guys as our staff rather than Dooley's first "star" staff with Wilcox, bagget, and heistand.
 
#72
#72
I think it has been proven many times over the last 12 years, without a Tebow or Newton type taking the snaps, the spread will not win SEC Championships! Might win a few games but not championships.

My biggest fear is 3-5 years down the road we are stocked with "spread" players and have to make another change. Total rebuild.
 
#73
#73
99gator said:
i wanted to let the board cool down a bit before posting this.

but, i think part of the reason tee martin and jay graham are not at tennessee is a direct consequence of the spread.

there are positives and negatives to everything.

the negative of the spread is that only a few run it and only a few coach it. some don't even want to coach it. they don't believe in it philosophically and if they rise in the coaching ranks that's not the route they want to go.

well, since tennessee has never run the spread, there is no vfl who is familiar with the spread.

this is a blessing in a way. it's one thing for players to adjust to a new system, but you don't want coaches to have to adjust to a new system.

it also ain't a picnic going back from the spread to a more traditional offense when the time comes.

don't be too hard on tee or jay. it makes a whole lot of sense
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The major mistake you made was thinking this board had or could cool down.

Never gonna happen!
 
#75
#75
hog88 said:
I think it has been proven many times over the last 12 years, without a Tebow or Newton type taking the snaps, the spread will not win SEC Championships! Might win a few games but not championships.

My biggest fear is 3-5 years down the road we are stocked with "spread" players and have to make another change. Total rebuild.
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So you wouldn't call the fun n gun a spread offense?

Last time I checked, it won a lot of SEC titles.
 
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