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Do you want Bruce Pearl to be Head Coach at UT next season?

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#854
#854
If Pearl gets a two year show-cause, he is out of college basketball for two years, whether he is at UT or somewhere else. Of the previous 20 cases where a coach or individual associated with a team has been charged with unethical conduct, 19 have resulted in at least a two year show-cause penalty. So, with the precedents that have been set by the NCAA, I would be surprised if Pearl isn't banned from college basketball for two years. Bringing Pearl back after that time would be a huge risk for Tennessee. If he were to be charged with another major violation after that, UT basketball could be looking at the death penalty. And with the knowledge that he violated NCAA rules four days after his apology, another violation is not out of the question. Coach Fulmer did great things for the UT football program and brought us a National Championship, but unfortunately, UT could not let the program continue the way it was heading and he was fired. If Coach Pearl receives a two year show-cause penalty, I believe it would be foolish for the University to let the program ride in limbo for two years with the hope that he would restore it to the same level when he returned.
 
#855
#855
OrangeNehi said:
I know that Devoe didn't take a team to the Elite Eight. I don't know how Devoe's UT record stacks up against Pearl's, but I would assume Pearl's is better.
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In his first six years he won as many regular season SEC titles as Pearl (one) and won a conference tournament title.
 
#857
#857
JZVOL said:
In his first six years he won as many regular season SEC titles as Pearl (one) and won a conference tournament title.
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also 5 straight NCAA's when the tourney was smaller. I'm not saying he was the greatest people act like he was Wade Houston
 
#858
#858
Here is my take, unless you can be certain that we hire a equal to better caliber coach why fire him. In the long run we come out better take our punishment and moving forward with Pearl. The quote black eye either way heals in time, but why should some other school gain from our worrying about our quote reputation, in the end wins and loses are all that matters, I am sick and tired of honor being more important than winning, had enough of that in my life time. In my life time, all be it I remember the later years pf Mears, even with Earnie and Bernie Mears won but could never win when it mattered, DoVoe the same, everyone else that followed were loseres or mediocre at best save for Pearl we have never had a coach that has even got us close to a final 4. I would much rather take our lumps and mover forward unless UT is prepared to go out and spend the 4 to 5 mill a year to bring in and established recruiter and proven winner. Just my take, cause I am sick of losing anyway you slice it. No more hiring upstarts from lower levels will do for me.
 
#859
#859
OrangeNehi said:
In other words, the loyalty of people to Bruce Pearl runs deep. Unlike Don Devoe, who has ripped Pearl and doesn't understand his support, Bruce Pearl is a winner. UT will keep him even as a practice-only coach because he is a winner and because his fan support is strong. Pearl is a special person, and the UT administration and fans recognize that. That's my prediction: that UT stands by Bruce Pearl even if he is banned for a year. I don't know very many other coaches who could command that kind of loyalty. Maybe Bobby Knight
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You do realize that Bobby Knight was fired, right? Indiana had a president that was sick of the sideshow and a coach that was bigger than the school. You also know that Knight has been begging for a job since TT and hasn't found one, right? What's that about loyalty?

If Pearl gets 2 years show cause, which I really think is likely, he is gone. No amount of posters on volnation can change it. Pearl did this, and kept making it worse, he is to blame. I promise you that when push comes to shove, there isn't a person at UT who will let the bball program die over Bruce Pearl. Ask Coach Fulmer.
Also, Don Devoe wasn't given anything near the resources and support that Pearl has. UT bball wasn't going to flourish under Doug Dickey, and that is truth. Not saying he would have done anything close to what Pearl did, but comparing the 2 tenures isn't fair. Pearl has enjoyed support like no other UT coach. The ironic thing about Devoe is that after leaving UT, he took the interim Florida job when Norm Sloan was fired before season due to NCAA investigation. Interesting
 
#860
#860
armchair said:
at all! It's easy to follow the rules when you don't have the passion or capability to bring in great players. That's not to say that I condone breaking the rules--Pearl crossed the line and will pay for it---but it is well established that if you aren't aggressive and push up against the boundaries, you will not get great players.

What ANNOYS me is that Cal or one of his henchmen cheated blatantly to bring Derick Rose to Memphis--had someone else take his test! And neither Memphis or Calipari was punished, were they? Pearl has an illegal cookout (and lied about it) and is being treated as if he were sending cash through the mail.
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Or maybe, maybe, maybe...and I know this is absolute craziness, and this is a brand new idea...maybe Devoe respected the rules...








and followed them :eek:hmy:
 
#861
#861
eaglevol said:
If Pearl gets a two year show-cause, he is out of college basketball for two years, whether he is at UT or somewhere else.
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As far as I can tell, this is not true. A show-cause order has a specific penalty associated with it, which may or may not be a suspension. In the case of UConn's recent assistant coach (who, among other improper-benefit things, lied to investigators), the show-cause order essentially said he couldn't make phone calls for two years.

For a director of basketball operations, that amounts to a coaching ban. But for Pearl, that penalty wouldn't amount to a ban.

It all depends on what penalty they attach to the show-cause.
 
#862
#862
StepCross said:
As far as I can tell, this is not true. A show-cause order has a specific penalty associated with it, which may or may not be a suspension. In the case of UConn's recent assistant coach (who, among other improper-benefit things, lied to investigators), the show-cause order essentially said he couldn't make phone calls for two years.

For a director of basketball operations, that amounts to a coaching ban. But for Pearl, that penalty wouldn't amount to a ban.

It all depends on what penalty they attach to the show-cause.
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I just learned something, good post! That is a good point, but I think the NCAA would attach penalties that would either suspend him or cripple him as far as recruiting duties that would make it impossible for a school to keep him. I am too lazy to do the research, but was wondering what penalty Sampson got?
 
#864
#864
GoBigOrangeVols said:
I don't think race has played a role for the ncaa, but it has for this fan base from the time he was hired.
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I have never heard/seen it brought up as an issue with any UT fan I know. Actually I've just seen it as an insult thrown out from the "Pearl can do no wrong" crowd
 
#866
#866
utvolpj said:
I have never heard/seen it brought up as an issue with any UT fan I know. Actually I've just seen it as an insult thrown out from the "Pearl can do no wrong" crowd
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Overt racism is frowned upon. Subtle racism shielded behind distorted statistics and off the court issues dating back to whistle blowing at Iowa make it highly effective.
 
#872
#872
armchair said:
at all! It's easy to follow the rules when you don't have the passion or capability to bring in great players. That's not to say that I condone breaking the rules--Pearl crossed the line and will pay for it---but it is well established that if you aren't aggressive and push up against the boundaries, you will not get great players.

What ANNOYS me is that Cal or one of his henchmen cheated blatantly to bring Derick Rose to Memphis--had someone else take his test! And neither Memphis or Calipari was punished, were they? Pearl has an illegal cookout (and lied about it) and is being treated as if he were sending cash through the mail.
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Take a look at the Bledsoe fiasco at Kentucky last year.
His high school grades in Alabama were changed so he could get in to play for Cal.
 
#873
#873
SGMVols said:
Recent history with unethical conduct charges suggests he will be banned for at least 2 years, and possibly longer.
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The underlying charges that these other coaches lied
about were much more severe. Paying players large sums
of money, gifts, and cars, etc.
 
#874
#874
GoBigOrangeVols said:
was my response pertaining to Devoe's success on the court or off of it?
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I think the point is Devoe wasn't willing to do what Pearl was willing to do off the court to produce wins. As a result, NOA's and will have a negative impact on the on the court result. Ask Mizzou, Wahington football, Indiana, USC football, etc. It could be that Devoe's on court success would have been better if his off court behavior wasn't moral.
 
#875
#875
StepCross said:
As far as I can tell, this is not true. A show-cause order has a specific penalty associated with it, which may or may not be a suspension. In the case of UConn's recent assistant coach (who, among other improper-benefit things, lied to investigators), the show-cause order essentially said he couldn't make phone calls for two years.

For a director of basketball operations, that amounts to a coaching ban. But for Pearl, that penalty wouldn't amount to a ban.

It all depends on what penalty they attach to the show-cause.
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Archibald is an assistant coach at Florida Atlantic right now.
 
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