The cumulative Pearl thread

[jp1]

I think it has to do with a lot of people only paying attention to UT basketball because of Pearl. They hear rumors of how UT wasn't very good before him, and can't imagine UT being good after him. It boils down to two things... stupidity or being a bandwagon fan. Both are interchangeable though.

So it was just rumors that ut wasnt good at basketball before pearl? Damn and after all these years....
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[BasketvolsFan]

I absolutely can say it was a bad hire. Unless you like the current situation and pending sanctions, as well as the constant negative media blitz, I don't really see how you could call it a good hire.

 

[gnm53108]

You don't think they will if UT retains him?

It'll fade.The media just wants a story...Bruce will give something ON the court for them to talk about.Couple that with the timebombs that are the ncaa head basketball coaches...there will be something else to get their tailfeathers riled up over.

 

[BasketvolsFan]

So it was just rumors that ut wasnt good at basketball before pearl? Damn and after all these years....
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No, actually it's just misinformed, unintelligent fans who think basketball started with the great Pearl.

 

[jp1]

Yeah, his hire of Pearl is so great that it has brought nothing but greatness for the university and the basketball program. All the constant negatives, unethical conduct, and pending NCAA sanctions that will set the program back further than it was when Pearl arrived is also, somehow, noting but positive for you Pearl lovers. This hire has worked out so well, Hamilton should receive a raise.

Dude do I need to go through your post history again?
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[gnm53108]

I have heard a whole lot of incredulity that he hasn't been fired. It's not all been aimed at Pearl himself.

There has been some aimed at assitants and Hamilton but I think Blazer was refering to during our basketball telecasts.They're stuck on Bruce.

 

[VFL1964-]

The funny thing is that it's the people who didn't actually watch much UT basketball during the Doug Dickey years that howl the loudest about how we're doomed to go right back to Buzz Peterson or Wade Houston if we don't keep Pearl. People who actually sat through all those years don't seem nearly as worried about it.

To think you know who watched what when is just asinine on your part....:crazy:

 

[jp1]

No, actually it's just misinformed, unintelligent fans who think basketball started with the great Pearl.

I probably have been following ut basketball for 28 years...probably longer but my memory wasnt great at less than 10 years of age...and i am misinformed on the rich history of ut basketball during this time period?
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[gnm53108]

I probably have been following ut basketball for 28 years...probably longer but my memory wasnt great at less than 10 years of age...and i am misinformed on the rich history of ut basketball during this time period?
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Coach Green had some fun years.

 

[Vercingetorix]

To think you know who watched what when is just asinine on your part....:crazy:

No, it's based on years' worth of conversations on this board with waves of Pearl Is The Greatest guys. Common argument: "I didn't care about UT basketball before Pearl, nobody cared about UT basketball before Pearl, and if you ungrateful SOBs run Pearl out of here then nobody will care about UT basketball again after he's gone."

 

[jimmyvol]

I am 55 years old. I am a UTK grad ('77) and have been watching Tennessee BB all of my life. I have been to hundreds of games and believe that I have a good (albeit subjective) perspective on Tennessee BB. Pearl is by far the best coach we ever had, yes including Ray Mears. Tennessee BB has never had the consistent success that we have had with CBP and those of you who think we can snap our fingers and get a great (yes, I said GREAT) coach again are smoking wacky tobbacky.

He did not murder anyone. He did not pay off an agent or player. His biggest sin is that he lied and then he fessed up about it. There have been much worse sins such as Jim Tressel knowing about it for months and months and not telling anyone at all! If we never allow any coach to make a mistake and then redeem themselves, we will never have a coach for long.

 

[jp1]

Coach Green had some fun years.

Yeah all 4 of them. At the time it was great because we didnt even sniff the tourney for a long stretch. The point i am simply making...i know that bruce is not the inventor of ut basketball but for people to come on here and pretend that ut didnt suck at bball for a hellava long time are kidding themselves. And to act like if you are less than 40 frickin years old you dont know ut history. Again if we have to go back to the late 70s early 80s to find a time that our program was relevent tells me alot.
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[Orange Blazer]

I absolutely can say it was a bad hire. Unless you like the current situation and pending sanctions, as well as the constant negative media blitz, I don't really see how you could call it a good hire.

So in your opinion he was a bad hire from day one?

 

[VFL1964-]

No, it's based on years' worth of conversations on this board with waves of Pearl Is The Greatest guys. Common argument: "I didn't care about UT basketball before Pearl, nobody cared about UT basketball before Pearl, and if you ungrateful SOBs run Pearl out of here then nobody will care about UT basketball again after he's gone."

A lot of your conversations on this board were probably with a younger crowd.Bruce Pearl has brought an excitement back to the program.I thought Jerry Green got kind of a raw deal.I have been going to games since Stokley and its fun to have someone with passion on the court.Jerry Green and Don Devoe were boring and Wade Houston and Buzz Peterson were well just not that good.I dont think it will be the end of UT basketball without Pearl but I believe he deserves a chance to make amens and right his wrongs.Our attendance has grown and were winning games and have gone further than anytime in history.I dont like the negative publicity but at the same time the media has never fluffed our program in the first place.I just think its ridiculous that you cant have a kid into your home with other recruits and give them something to eat or drink.If this stupid rule was not a violation we would not even be having this conversation.

 

[shortgameVol]

I absolutely can say it was a bad hire. Unless you like the current situation and pending sanctions, as well as the constant negative media blitz, I don't really see how you could call it a good hire.

Then you're being ridiculous. At the time, it was a great hire. How was Hamilton supposed to know Pearl was going to lie to the NCAA? In hindsight, it appears to be a bad hire, but saying it now in this manner makes you look silly. JMO

 

[Sudden Impact]

pend investigation too early to tell

 

[zjcvols]

It'll fade.The media just wants a story...Bruce will give something ON the court for them to talk about.Couple that with the timebombs that are the ncaa head basketball coaches...there will be something else to get their tailfeathers riled up over.

Like losses to Miss State, Charlotte, CofC, and 8 home losses?

 

[zjcvols]

Yeah all 4 of them. At the time it was great because we didnt even sniff the tourney for a long stretch. The point i am simply making...i know that bruce is not the inventor of ut basketball but for people to come on here and pretend that ut didnt suck at bball for a hellava long time are kidding themselves. And to act like if you are less than 40 frickin years old you dont know ut history. Again if we have to go back to the late 70s early 80s to find a time that our program was relevent tells me alot.
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It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Take out the Houston/O'Neill years and you have a pretty good program.

 

[jp1]

It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Take out the Houston/O'Neill years and you have a pretty good program.

You know maybe you are right. The four years that ole jed gave us since the mid eighties should be plenty to satisfy my competitive appetite to win!
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[slobberknocker]

It'll fade.The media just wants a story...Bruce will give something ON the court for them to talk about.Couple that with the timebombs that are the ncaa head basketball coaches...there will be something else to get their tailfeathers riled up over.

Sure it will, like an ink blot on a white shirt.

 

[Vercingetorix]

A lot of your conversations on this board were probably with a younger crowd.Bruce Pearl has brought an excitement back to the program.I thought Jerry Green got kind of a raw deal.I have been going to games since Stokley and its fun to have someone with passion on the court.Jerry Green and Don Devoe were boring and Wade Houston and Buzz Peterson were well just not that good.I dont think it will be the end of UT basketball without Pearl but I believe he deserves a chance to make amens and right his wrongs.Our attendance has grown and were winning games and have gone further than anytime in history.I dont like the negative publicity but at the same time the media has never fluffed our program in the first place.I just think its ridiculous that you cant have a kid into your home with other recruits and give them something to eat or drink.If this stupid rule was not a violation we would not even be having this conversation.

Pearl's an incredible salesman -- which is both good and bad -- and there's no question that he did a great job building excitement around the program, but it's not like he had to build that support up from nothing. This is a fanbase that has supported basketball well enough in the past that building an arena the size of TBA made sense back in the 80s. The latent support has always been there; it just went into hibernation during the Dickey years. As I said in another thread, Pearl was selling UT basketball to customers who couldn't pull their wallets out fast enough.

I totally agree about the stupidity of the various NCAA rules, but once he went down the coverup route then the original violations stopped mattering at all. The decisive thing for me isn't even his own lie to the NCAA; it's that he tried to get a high school recruit and his family to mislead the NCAA too. That's totally beyond the pale. I wouldn't care if he'd won three national championships; I don't want a guy who worked to corrupt a high school kid coaching at my alma mater.

 

[pj_ladyvolnindy]

I am 55 years old. I am a UTK grad ('77) and have been watching Tennessee BB all of my life. I have been to hundreds of games and believe that I have a good (albeit subjective) perspective on Tennessee BB. Pearl is by far the best coach we ever had, yes including Ray Mears. Tennessee BB has never had the consistent success that we have had with CBP and those of you who think we can snap our fingers and get a great (yes, I said GREAT) coach again are smoking wacky tobbacky.

He did not murder anyone. He did not pay off an agent or player. His biggest sin is that he lied and then he fessed up about it. There have been much worse sins such as Jim Tressel knowing about it for months and months and not telling anyone at all! If we never allow any coach to make a mistake and then redeem themselves, we will never have a coach for long.

Agree. Pearl blew it, but turned himself in, as opposed to getting caught a year later. I struggle to see how that's in any way worse than the coaches who make worse violations, don't report them (still a lie), only to get caught years later. Every coach who neglects to admit violations is lying by that neglect. A lie is a lie. But since Pearl's conscience kicked in and he went to Hamilton and then the NCAA to confess, I see him as someone who dealt with his mistake in a respectable way. As opposed to how Tressel and others have dealt (or not) with their situations. In other words, I honestly see someone who is trying to do what's right, is truly repentant and should be given another chance. (I know there are many of you who try to judge the intentions of his heart, which none of us know, in confessing.) I in NO way defend his initial actions, but how someone handles their failures should be taken into consideration. I think we've all been given second chances somewhere along the way.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Then you're being ridiculous. At the time, it was a great hire. How was Hamilton supposed to know Pearl was going to lie to the NCAA? In hindsight, it appears to be a bad hire, but saying it now in this manner makes you look silly. JMO

When you couple it with the Kiffin hire, you get the picture of an AD who's either a poor judge of character during the hiring process, or who doesn't care at all about it.

 

[VFL1964-]

Pearl's an incredible salesman -- which is both good and bad -- and there's no question that he did a great job building excitement around the program, but it's not like he had to build that support up from nothing. This is a fanbase that has supported basketball well enough in the past that building an arena the size of TBA made sense back in the 80s. The latent support has always been there; it just went into hibernation during the Dickey years. As I said in another thread, Pearl was selling UT basketball to customers who couldn't pull their wallets out fast enough.

I totally agree about the stupidity of the various NCAA rules, but once he went down the coverup route then the original violations stopped mattering at all. The decisive thing for me isn't even his own lie to the NCAA; it's that he tried to get a high school recruit and his family to mislead the NCAA too. That's totally beyond the pale. I wouldn't care if he'd won three national championships; I don't want a guy who worked to corrupt a high school kid coaching at my alma mater.

Even if said kid had no intention of coming to UT but knew coming to the cookout was a violation and used it against Pearl ?

 

[pj_ladyvolnindy]

BTW, Jimmyvol, I was one year behind you, '78...so have been observing the Vols and life for awhile right along with you.