The death of a school's tradition?

Having a confederate license plate/flag for yourself is fine. Waving it around at a football game is pushing the envelope. I have to wonder if the political correctness will trickle down to high schools that use the Rebels nickname if Ole Miss does change their nickname...
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I can't believe we also ended that tradition of slavery. I'm telling you, this generation has no respect for the supreme authority of tradition.

Yeah, while we are at it lets just write slavery, civil war and sept 11th out of history books, we can just rewrite history to how we like it, All PC, warm & fuzzy like. It's not like someone may repeat it if they don't know about it, right?
 
If somebody has some sort of confederate flag on their person, car or house how should we know if they are remembering or celebrating the past?

Just do as Libs do, ignorantly call them a racist and pat your self-righteous self on the back.
 
If somebody has some sort of confederate flag on their person, car or house how should we know if they are remembering or celebrating the past?

Would you hold yourself to the same reserved judgment and thought process if you saw someone with a Nazi Swastika on their person, car, or house?
 
Yeah, while we are at it lets just write slavery, civil war and sept 11th out of history books, we can just rewrite history to how we like it, All PC, warm & fuzzy like. It's not like someone may repeat it if they don't know about it, right?

Your presumptions and conjectures are quite humorous.

As I've stated multiple times, there is a stark difference between celebrating the past and remembering/learning about the past.
 
I like your takes. The Old South and rebellion should not be celebrated by Ole Miss or anyone else. Anyone who argues that there were noble reasons for secession is either racist or not being honest with themselves. See below.



First, as far as writing history goes, grant did not own slaves. He lived and worked on a farm with slaves owned by a relative. He had no power to free them. The farm never made any money, and Grant was a poor man.

Not wealthy but not poor by most standards of the day. It was extremely rare that a poor guy makes it to the rank of general in the military in those days, not to mention he was commissioned at West Point. He never tried to free them (slaves

Why did Lincoln "need" to bring a moral imperative to the war if it just made everyone mad? Apparently, not everyone had the same reaction. There were PLENTY of abolitionists in the North that were very satisfied with this shift.

International support was overwhelmingly tilted to the south. Many European countries (Britian) were in support of the South (for economic reasons ((textiles)) but when Lincoln changed the supposed reason for the war to one of moral authority it effectively ended any chance of Britian getting involved on part of the South.

Do you really think that there would have been a Civil War w/o the institution of slavery? Absolutely not. But with slavery the war was almost unavoidable. And I am not aware of any history book censoring that went on after the Civil War. There was certainly no effort to stop dozens of authors from celebrating the antebellum south.

The differences between the North and South were evident since the settlement of the US. It became more severe when the Southern States paid off their war debt from the revolution and the Northern state didn't, thus putting additional financial burden on Southern states.
Would there have been a war? Impossible to know for sure but talk of secession had been ongoing for decades prior to 1861.


Sherman called it total war. He believed that it was nonsense to be in a state of war, which is horrible, and not maximize your chances of victory by destroying food supplies, railroads etc. that were the lifeline of the Rebel Army. I am glad he did what he did. Those who were holding human beings against their will, savagely beating and raping them, and separating families at livestock style auctions deserved no better.

Way to legitimize the unjustified terror on civilians:no:, I am sure you were fine with the autricities committed in Vietnam too, right?

Finally, how does the mercy shown the Confederate officers after the war prove anything about anything?

If they were guilty of a crime why weren't they prosecuted? Even Jefferson Davis was never tried.

If you would have bothered to read my earlier post, you would know that I am in no way attempting to defend slavery. I am defending the thousands of men that were simple farm boys rallying to a call to arms to defend their homes against an invading foreign army. Many proud, brave and noble men died fighting under the Stars and Bars and I for one do think it is something to remember and defend.

If you want to educate yourself beyond elementary facts there are numerous books that delve into the complex issues leading up to Sumter. "When in the course of Human Events" (mentioned in one of my earlier post) and "Company Aytch, or a Sideshow of the Big Show" is the best narrative ever written by the common foot soldier in the War. It is a fascinating read and explains that the average Southerner was not fighting on behalf of slavery.
 
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1. "Foreign" army? No.

2. If you want to talk about atrocities, we will just swing around and around, and decades of slavery will inevitably be brought up.

3. The reason way Davis and others weren't tried wasn't because they were innocent, but rather because the victors knew that the country just had to move on. That isn't even much of an opinion, that's historical fact based on the comments of the day.
 


If they were guilty of a crime why weren't they prosecuted? Even Jefferson Davis was never tried.

If you would have bothered to read my earlier post, you would know that I am in no way attempting to defend slavery. I am defending the thousands of men that were simple farm boys rallying to a call to arms to defend their homes against an invading foreign army. Many proud, brave and noble men died fighting under the Stars and Bars and I for one do think it is something to remember and defend.

Many proud, brave, and noble men died fighting under the Swastika, as well. Most German Soldiers could have cared less about a German Superman or World Domination; this in no way means that the reasons the Nazi's went to war were not based upon a perception of racial superiority and the desire for world domination.

The reason for secession by Southern Governments was slavery; there are no 'ifs', 'ands', or 'buts' about it.

Sure, there were many people who fought for the South simply out of feelings of loyalty and obligation to their states (i.e., Robert E. Lee); this does not justify secession and is not an effective argument for stating that the reasons for secession were not completely rooted in slavery.
 
Many proud, brave, and noble men died fighting under the Swastika, as well. Most German Soldiers could have cared less about a German Superman or World Domination; this in no way means that the reasons the Nazi's went to war were not based upon a perception of racial superiority and the desire for world domination.

The reason for secession by Southern Governments was slavery; there are no 'ifs', 'ands', or 'buts' about it.

Sure, there were many people who fought for the South simply out of feelings of loyalty and obligation to their states (i.e., Robert E. Lee); this does not justify secession and is not an effective argument for stating that the reasons for secession were not completely rooted in slavery.

So if we are in Iraq over oil all the troops that have been killed over there should not be remembered? What about Vietnam? Was it a just cause? If not does that mean "to hell with the 58K guys killed over there?"
I will continue to CELEBRATE all the poor bastards that are killed over issues they never had anything to do with. That goes for all the men in grey. If you don't like it, :neener2:
 
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So if we are in Iraq over oil all the troops that have been killed over there should not be remembered? What about Vietnam? Was it a just cause? If not does that mean "to hell with the 58K guys killed over there?"
I will continue to remember all the poor bastards that are killed over issues they never had anything to do with. That goes for all the men in grey. If you don't like it, :neener2:

Did I ever insinuate that I have forgotten about the Civil War?

The way you use conjecture to defend your position is quite astonishing...and, weak.
 
Tradition and heritage are going to be a thing of the past. I hate to say this but there are people that want us to forget about the Civil War and what it was fought over and no longer fly any Confederate flags around this country or have Rebel plates on our cars. I love tradition, heritage and history. I'm one proud southerner and will always be.

Reconstruction was designed to destroy any resemblence of identifyable Southern culture. They did a pretty good job and with every generation that passes there are more and more dolts (in the old days they called them scalawags) that turn their back on the South. They will get many of us but they will never get all of us.
 
Did I ever insinuate that I have forgotten about the Civil War?

The way you use conjecture to defend your position is quite astonishing...and, weak.

You know exactly what I am writing about but I will change a word to be more clear. If my arguments are so weak why respond to them:?
 
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Reconstruction was designed to destroy any resemblence of identifyable Southern culture. They did a pretty good job and with every generation that passes there are more and more dolts (in the old days they called them scalawags) that turn their back on the South. They will get many of us but they will never get all of us.

I feel like you forgot a closing "White Power."
 
You know exactly what I am writing about. If my arguments are so weak why respond to them:p?

You set up straw men that have to be knocked down. That's your argument. "what if, what if, what if..."

No one has advocated for the banning of Civil War reenactments, the removal of it from history books, etc. There just isn't any reason to celebrate oppression and slavery, which is what one is effectively doing by in the case of Ole Miss before they got rid of that stuff.

If you want to believe a fairy tale history about noble causes of freedom by taking up arms against Darth Vader of the North, have at it. Don't get mad because many people actually know the story.
 
You set up straw men that have to be knocked down. That's your argument. "what if, what if, what if..."

No one has advocated for the banning of Civil War reenactments, the removal of it from history books, etc. There just isn't any reason to celebrate oppression and slavery, which is what one is effectively doing by in the case of Ole Miss before they got rid of that stuff.

If you want to believe a fairy tale history about noble causes of freedom by taking up arms against Darth Vader of the North, have at it. Don't get mad because many people actually know the story.

Can you read? I am not defending the reasons the South went to war, only the troops that responded to the call to arms. To me that is what the discussion is about. Jesus...
 
Can you read? I am not defending the reasons the South went to war, only the troops that responded to the call to arms. To me that is what the discussion is about. Jesus...

Then who are you upset with? Show me the post that said we should forget or dishonor the dead of either side?
 
Then who are you upset with? Show me the post that said we should forget or dishonor the dead of either side?

The stuff at Ole Miss, the name Rebels, the Confederate battle flag. To me thay are celebrating the men that answered the call to arms to defend their homes.
I am defending that. You are attacking it. You don't want to celebrate the men that fought for a noble cause.
Did you actually go to UT? If so we really need to improve enrollment standards.
 
The stuff at Ole Miss, the name Rebels, the Confederate battle flag. To me thay are celebrating the men that answered the call to arms to defend their homes.

You do know that the war starting when Federal Troops were attacked, right?

Would you champion a team that sports Nazi paraphernalia? Would you reserve judgment? Would you state that it is just a celebration of the men who answered the call?

I am defending that. You are attacking it. You don't want to celebrate the men that fought for a noble cause.

Nothing about the cause was noble.

Did you actually go to UT? If so we really need to improve enrollment standards.

I did. I do think UT should improve their enrollment standards.
 
It certainly displays the depth of your intelligence.

I live in a trailer park in Alabama and left school in the 8th grade. I work at Walmart and earn $9.00/hr. Does that make you feel better about yourself? Does that make my opinions less valid?

I am sure you have advanced degrees in history from say, Syracuse and earn a buck and a quarter (before bonuses), right?
That doesn't make me any less confident in "discussing" this issue with you.
 

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