The disney insanity continues

[BreatheUT]

So you used pascal's wager

I tend to use the perspective of Job 14:1 depending on the translation that goes a man born of a woman is few of days and full of trouble.

This means to me regardless of how full and complete life seems, we are only a speck of time in this world. It feels long and short at the same time. There were many before us and more than likely many after us. If that is the case, do you think you have a soul or not? What makes you, you? Once you close your eyes for the last time, do you believe that's it? I've spent time on more useless things.

I do know there is evidence and stories Jesus walked the earth. Faith is substance of things hoped for but the evidence of things not seen.

It makes more sense than the sea to land prehistoric creature that converted to modern day man. Also, I think it was GVF that asked, where are those primary ape conversions today? I mean shouldn't we still be seeing transformations or did it stop after the meteor struck earth killing the dinosaurs.

The mysteries of life. We all have to choose our path.

 

[McDad]

“God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve…”
- Herpderp van Herpyderp

I don't understand your reply.

 

[DonjoVol]

A moderate understands freedom of choice. You can disagree, challenge, oppose, fight against, etc., without condemning. That's God's job. Those at either end of the spectrum only believe those not like them are wrong and won't accept each other as they are. The issue is forcing another to change their beliefs because of you. You can coincide with anyone peacefully as long both come to hte realization the other's freedom of choice is theirs. Doesn't scientifically validate more than two genders, but if you believe that, that's you. Don't try to force it down my thorat.

I was joking when I said "moderates". Calm down pal. There are no actual moderates on Volnation.

 

[GVF]

Ignorance has nothing to do with beliefs. It is simply a lack of knowledge.

Not sure how a story of woman coming from the rib of man is supported by woman's ability to become pregnant. Science refutes the contention in the bible that there was ever a worldwide flood. As for the ark modern estimates have it at 500 plus feet long. That far exceeds man's capability at the time and the ability of Noah to complete the ark in a lifetime of hand labor. This doesn't take into account the ability of 8 people to take care of a all the animals. Assume only mammals and reptiles and assume there were only 16,000 species. That would be 32,000 animals to tend to on a daily. The ability to store the food for the animals creates more problems. I expect divine intervention will creep into your explanation, but that doesn't support your contention the bible is a book with historical roots.

Well, you actually said my system of beliefs is born out of ignorance. In you first response to me.

Never said woman coming from the rib of man had to do with her giving birth. I said the science and physiology of women giving birth instead of men is consistent with God, in Genesis, putting the pain of child birth to the woman. That is why men cannot give birth, regardless of what lefties say.

There are references that lead to beliefs that Eden was in modern Iraq. But, when God expelled Adam and Eve from Eden, he said he would seal it to where no man could ever find or re-enter. And they haven't.

I do beleive that with God, anything is possible. So, yes in his wisdom that I cannot comprehend, it is possible everything Noah accomplished could have happened.

I also didn't feel a "presence" holding my body back on my shoulder when I rear ended someone at 50mph without a seatbelt on when my only ijuries were sore knuckles on one hand from the dash, and a minor scratch on my head from the windshield.

My mother also did not die during my oldest sisters birth, watching from hte corner of the room, asking God if He willed, she had a christian family to raise, and then she returned to her body.

Don't take any of my stuff sarcastically though. I find it interesting on these discussions of differing beliefs.

 

[GVF]

I was joking when I said "moderates". Calm down pal. There are no actual moderates on Volnation.

If there are, they're hard to find. I like to think I am, but by whose definition am I claiming that. lol.

 

[NCFisher]

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f you’re saying it can’t be allowed because some parents might not know, then my response is unchanged: assuming that parents can’t be trusted to recognize abuse or decide what’s best for their child is the same failed regime that’s being overthrown. You’ve just substituted your own cultural norms and preferences for the leftist teachers’ union school board cartel.

That is correct. Western norms/preferences are empirically better than quasi-Marxian others.

 

[GroverCleveland]

There are references that lead to beliefs that Eden was in modern Iraq. But, when God expelled Adam and Eve from Eden, he said he would seal it to where no man could ever find or re-enter. And they haven't.

Well, didn't Joseph Smith teach it is Jackson County, Missouri?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Well, didn't Joseph Smith teach it is Jackson County, Missouri?

Yes

Missouri

 

[NCFisher]

Well, didn't Joseph Smith teach it is Jackson County, Missouri?

It's actually a perfect trout stream in N. WY that only I and a few other disciples have been granted, rewarding our devotion.

- Paul the NCFisher

 

[RockyTop85]

If you’re saying it can’t be allowed because some parents might not know, then my response is unchanged: assuming that parents can’t be trusted to recognize abuse or decide what’s best for their child is the same failed regime that’s being overthrown. You’ve just substituted your own cultural norms and preferences for the leftist teachers’ union school board cartel.

That is correct. Western norms/preferences are empirically better than quasi-Marxian others.

Even assuming that “quasi-Marxian” can apply to a profit-driven free market system, state prescription of culture and norms is not western. It’s illiberal at best, and authoritarian at worst.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Well, you actually said my system of beliefs is born out of ignorance. In you first response to me.

Never said woman coming from the rib of man had to do with her giving birth. I said the science and physiology of women giving birth instead of men is consistent with God, in Genesis, putting the pain of child birth to the woman. That is why men cannot give birth, regardless of what lefties say.

This really has nothing to do with science or proving the truth of the bible.

There are references that lead to beliefs that Eden was in modern Iraq. But, when God expelled Adam and Eve from Eden, he said he would seal it to where no man could ever find or re-enter. And they haven't.

Are you using the bible saying something wouldn't be found and hasn't been found as proof of the existence of something which I don't believe ever existed? I don't know how to respond.

I do beleive that with God, anything is possible. So, yes in his wisdom that I cannot comprehend, it is possible everything Noah accomplished could have happened.

This is an issue in my eyes, because I'm sure we both agree building the ark, loading ark and caring for the animals is an impossible task for the number of people on the ark. When confronted with such things, the refrain is I believe that God can make anything possible. It requires faith to believe in things that cannot be replicated and are not possible.

I also didn't feel a "presence" holding my body back on my shoulder when I rear ended someone at 50mph without a seatbelt on when my only ijuries were sore knuckles on one hand from the dash, and a minor scratch on my head from the windshield.

I cannot comment on such things. You felt what you felt. It doesn't change my mind.

My mother also did not die during my oldest sisters birth, watching from hte corner of the room, asking God if He willed, she had a christian family to raise, and then she returned to her body.

My question is why was your family spared when countless other families of faith were not spared. The 7 year old who was killed by a Russian cluster bomb who died in her grandfather's arms who I can only imagine was praying his heart out. The infant cancer victims. ETC ETC. The old it's God's will line seems like bs.

Don't take any of my stuff sarcastically though. I find it interesting on these discussions of differing beliefs.

See my replies in red. The conversation with you has been enjoyable and cordial.

 

[GVF]

See my replies in red. The conversation with you has been enjoyable and cordial.

As to my mother's experience, only God would be able to answer such things. Why did my dad die of cancer, and my mother-in-law, and grandmother, and ex father-in-law, and sister-in-law, but a brother-in-law is surviving esophogal cancer? Why did a friend from high school get thrown from a car when I was held back? Why did a sister-in-laws son die at 30 from overdose, but a nephew of mine was afforded many opportunities to finally overcome heroine? Why do innocent children spend their life at St. Judes, or dies from stray bullets? Life is life. Many times there are no answers. Only faith.


How did people come to live where they live and speak the language they speak? There are mentions of historical cities and rulers in the bible that coincide with secular historical records. There are many peoples and languages in the world. In Genesis 11, God dispersed them from Babel and confused their tongues so they couldn't speak with each other. That account is a pretty strong argument of how the earth was populated with various languages and peoples. I totally get why some people choose not to believe what I beleive. I get why some did and reject religion in general in later years. I get why some rejected it most of their life, and came to it later. Life is life. God said not everyone would believe in Him or His story. He said those that did believe would be ridiculed and persecuted. We can banter along about it. In other countries they kill over it. We're lucky. Or blessed. Depending on how you view life.

But, no one is charged with how to raise our son, except me and my wife. Not Disney, not woke schools, not the dude down the street. I hope I taught him well how to form his own belief and why he believes it. My dad taught us where to read and study what I believe. He didn't shove it down our throats, or I would not still have that faith today. Have I struggled with at times in life. Sure. But, I alwys come back to it.

 

[utvolpj]

How did people come to live where they live and speak the language they speak? There are mentions of historical cities and rulers in the bible that coincide with secular historical records. There are many peoples and languages in the world. In Genesis 11, God dispersed them from Babel and confused their tongues so they couldn't speak with each other. That account is a pretty strong argument of how the earth was populated with various languages and peoples.

Or they observed it and then made up a story to attribute it to God. Not much different than believing the sun was the wheel of a chariot driven across the sky

 

[volbeast33]

Again, I didn't say there were. But let's not act like there are very many teaching that in public schools either. It's a fabricated boogeyman

There are several on social media talking about doing this very thing…. A couple have been fired over complaints by parents…. I have also seen a couple of school board meetings where they were defending these type of actions by teachers…. That seems like too many to me.

 

[Septic]

For those legal scholars amongst us. Is there a case to be made that the retaliation on Disney for speaking out is a violation of protections afforded by the first amendment? Didn't the SCOTUS rule in the Citizens United vs FEC that the company was protected by the 1A to buy political ads as if were a person?

It'd be one thing if there were no fanfare surrounding the repeal of the special taxing district, but many GOP legislators in Tallahassee have made a point to squawk to the TV cameras about why they're doing this. I mean, it's clearly and admittedly retaliation.

 

[VolStrom]

For those legal scholars amongst us. Is there a case to be made that the retaliation on Disney for speaking out is a violation of protections afforded by the first amendment? Didn't the SCOTUS rule in the Citizens United vs FEC that the company was protected by the 1A to buy political ads as if were a person?

It'd be one thing if there were no fanfare surrounding the repeal of the special taxing district, but many GOP legislators in Tallahassee have made a point to squawk to the TV cameras about why they're doing this. I mean, it's clearly and admittedly retaliation.

So, blah blah blah blah, the state legislature approved it and the Governor signed it into law. What's your complaint?

 

[85SugarVol]

Meanwhile, Disney continues to go all Thelma and Louise in driving the company off the cliff
Disney Thinks Tinker Bell and Captain Hook Are ‘Potentially Problematic’

Apparently the problem with Tinker Bell is that she is “body conscious” - she is aware that she is attractive and derives satisfaction from that realization.

This is a new one for me. Hadn’t seen this one yet.

We told young girls for years that they were all beautiful. I guess pretty girls that know they are pretty is a problem now.

Maybe this can be a new spectrum to measure who has power and who is oppressed. The beautiful and the ugly.

What a time.

 

[RockyTop85]

For those legal scholars amongst us. Is there a case to be made that the retaliation on Disney for speaking out is a violation of protections afforded by the first amendment? Didn't the SCOTUS rule in the Citizens United vs FEC that the company was protected by the 1A to buy political ads as if were a person?

It'd be one thing if there were no fanfare surrounding the repeal of the special taxing district, but many GOP legislators in Tallahassee have made a point to squawk to the TV cameras about why they're doing this. I mean, it's clearly and admittedly retaliation.

I swear I’ve read that even stripping a special benefit that nobody else gets (I.e. the CNN guy’s press pass) is a 1A violation, but I don’t actually know how that case would turn out or whether Disney would have to wait to sue.

I looked up a couple of recent law review articles that I want to read later that deal with similar issues. The trend during the Trump years was to sort of let those extracurricular statements slide and presume that the legislature or executive acted in good faith. But it seems like there was some stuff about this in the legislative record that might rebut that presumption?

 

[RockyTop85]

Apparently the problem with Tinker Bell is that she is “body conscious” - she is aware that she is attractive and derives satisfaction from that realization.

This is a new one for me. Hadn’t seen this one yet.

We told young girls for years that they were all beautiful. I guess pretty girls that know they are pretty is a problem now.

Maybe this can be a new spectrum to measure who has power and who is oppressed. The beautiful and the ugly.

What a time.

I’ve never heard it called that, but it seems like not a new concept. Some called girls like that stuck up in school. I think thot is what some of the kids are using these days, but I may be too old to be using that correctly.

 

[85SugarVol]

I’ve never heard it called that, but it seems like not a new concept. Some called girls like that stuck up in school. I think thot is what some of the kids are using these days, but I may be too old to be using that correctly.

I know what you’re getting at. Stuck up, pretentious, snobby. All very similar.

This seems a little different.

A hot girl who harasses and bullies has always been a problem.
This seems to imply that Tinker Bell simply being aware of her attractiveness is problematic.

 

[85SugarVol]

I’ve never heard it called that, but it seems like not a new concept. Some called girls like that stuck up in school. I think thot is what some of the kids are using these days, but I may be too old to be using that correctly.

I thought a thot was an like a slutty “online” girl on Instagram or Twitter

 

[happy-go_vol]

Apparently the problem with Tinker Bell is that she is “body conscious” - she is aware that she is attractive and derives satisfaction from that realization.

This is a new one for me. Hadn’t seen this one yet.

We told young girls for years that they were all beautiful. I guess pretty girls that know they are pretty is a problem now.

Maybe this can be a new spectrum to measure who has power and who is oppressed. The beautiful and the ugly.

What a time.

This is why liberalism is a mental illness. Every traditional norm is being destroyed by a group of mentally insane leftists. These people who create silliness don't follow it.

 

[RockyTop85]

I know what you’re getting at. Stuck up, pretentious, snobby. All very similar.

This seems a little different.

A hot girl who harasses and bullies has always been a problem.
This seems to imply that Tinker Bell simply being aware of her attractiveness is problematic.

I guess for me this depends on the level of “problematic” but I think attractive, attention seeking women have always been frowned upon by other women. But it’s more like an eye roll, not a cancellation.

Side note: In the book, she’s a murderous little bitch, so Disney’s beef is with themselves on this. The modern tinker bell as a lovable character isn’t much like the original work, she’s Disney’s creation.

I thought a thot was an like a slutty “online” girl on Instagram or Twitter

Maybe. I mean you can’t bang over The grams so isn’t being slutty in instagram just taking pleasure from knowing men are looking at you?

 

[Septic]

So, blah blah blah blah, the state legislature approved it and the Governor signed it into law. What's your complaint?

Specifically?

That politicians use their positions to retaliate against people or corporations that don't toe their line.

Remember the outrage when the IRS was used as tool by the Obama administration to go after conservative groups?

In May 2013, the IRS admitted it had subjected conservative political groups to closer scrutiny in their applications for tax-exempt status based on particular keywords in their names. The agency has maintained that low-level employees took it upon themselves to do this. However, Republicans argue that the refusal of Lois Lerner (at the time was Director of the IRS's Exempt Organizations Unit) to testify before Congress, twice citing her Constitutional right against self-incrimination, suggests involvement by higher-level employees.[citation needed] An internal report by the agency's Inspector General cited "ineffective management" as the cause and indicated that the IRS "will need to do more so that the public has reasonable assurance that applications are processed without unreasonable delay in a fair and impartial manner in the future."[15] Congress continues to investigate the possibility that Lerner or other high-level officials were involved in improper political targeting. Republican lawmakers say the IRS has improperly withheld and destroyed evidence, while Democrats argue that Republicans are attempting to keep the controversy alive for political purposes.[

The whistling past the grave yard is deafening by right on this one by everyone except @hog88 . Was that too much blah, blah, blah for ya?

 

[Septic]

I swear I’ve read that even stripping a special benefit that nobody else gets (I.e. the CNN guy’s press pass) is a 1A violation, but I don’t actually know how that case would turn out or whether Disney would have to wait to sue.

I looked up a couple of recent law review articles that I want to read later that deal with similar issues. The trend during the Trump years was to sort of let those extracurricular statements slide and presume that the legislature or executive acted in good faith. But it seems like there was some stuff about this in the legislative record that might rebut that presumption?

For the record, I don't think that corporations should be treated like people. But if the precedent is set, it would seem that legally speaking - what's good for the goose is good for the gander.