The disney insanity continues

[utvolpj]

Ok, explain how this was illegal. Unnecessary and a purely political move, yes. Illegal, no.

I have. Read my last 10 or so posts you've quoted

 

[MurphyVol]

It is deductive reasoning.


You said..

Disney pays for all the infrastructure now...True
Disney will now not pay for the infrastructure and the citizens will now pay..so Disney now has more income. Correct?

So...Disney will have more disposable income now. So you think Disney passed along these savings to consumers or not?

They will not because this is America and the mandate of a publicly traded company is to maximize shareholder value by generating as much profit as possible.

 

[825VOL]

I have. Read my last 10 or so posts you've quoted

You not liking what was done and thinking it was a political move by the governor for Disney speaking out, does not make it illegal. This was done properly through the legislature regardless of the motives. If that is your only basis for it being illegal, then you should be screaming over provisions in every bill passed by the state and the federal legislatures.

 

[n_huffhines]

Why give certain companies special privileges and others none. Good for him.

Give me a break. The only reason he is doing this is because it's political. Suddenly everybody wants to take a stand, even tho these kinds of deals are everything Republicans want for their constituents.

 

[Orangeburst]

They will not because this is America and the mandate of a publicly traded company is to maximize shareholder value by generating as much profit as possible.

Yet many a progressive here dont care about the impact of other corps with their bias that leads to profit loss. I used to watch CNN, now not so much. Cancel culture goes both ways. Governments pick and decide company fates all the time, yet all that is lost. I dont like it, but the game we are in. This transgender stuff has been shoved down our collective throats. It didnt have to be.

As stated, I and many others stand on more than one principle for any topic. Disney is lying about the bill, Desantis is retaliating. If Disney would not of partook in this wokeness, none of this would be happening.

 

[1SmokinVol]

There is all kinds of ways the 2 Counties can pay for services that Disney's Reedy Creek supplies, so stripping reedy creek not all that. Disney? been gouging consumers for years. You have to be upper middle class to be able to spend 3-nights/days at Disney-likely several thousand dollars. Poor folks can't afford it- Disney? they are woke though, for profit. Biting them in the ASs right now. I have friends that have retired after years of service - good hard working people that bought into the Walt Disney ideals, no visible Tatts, piercings, certain hair styles, uniforms, etc. Nothing against any tatts or other each his own (i may have one or 3 tatts-, just that Disney employees are considered cast members- see one that's bought in and they have pixie dust floating over their head. Doubt cast members will be as dedicated anymore-
Stocks down attendance down -as these dedicated employees leave, they will not be replaced as same-

 

[OrangeTsar]

I shall remind you of that last sentence one day soon when it comes to DeSantis and this pandering move by him.

And we will remind you at around 1 pm EST on January 20, 2024 when it is time to call Ron DeSantis „Mr President“

 

[volkyries]

It is deductive reasoning.


You said..

Disney pays for all the infrastructure now...True
Disney will now not pay for the infrastructure and the citizens will now pay..so Disney now has more income. Correct?

So...Disney will have more disposable income now. So you think Disney passed along these savings to consumers or not?

Murphy answered the part about shareholder value so I will leave that one be.

I still don't agreed you deduced anything correctly and you continue to change the subject.

Have a good weekend. I am getting a beer and hitting the symphony. logging out to spend time with the family.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Murphy answered the part about shareholder value so I will leave that one be.

I still don't agreed you deduced anything correctly and you continue to change the subject.

Have a good weekend. I am getting a beer and hitting the symphony. logging out to spend time with the family.

Which orchestra and what are they playing?

 

[HammondB3Vol]

Not a single person on this board is competent to answer that question.

I’ll try. I’m on my local planning commission and oftentimes our city and county government will offer a graduated tax rate that starts with a rate for an unimproved property and eventually grows to the improved rate in 30 years. Additionally, the local utilities usually offer incentives as well. I don’t know if that helps.

 

[n_huffhines]

This thread is one of the biggest L's the right has taken on VN. This is really pathetic that anybody who pretends to be for small, responsible, competent government would defend Desantis actions.

Remember how mad everyone was about Obama's IRS? This is the same thing except even dumber because of how it all shakes out.

 

[Orangeburst]

Murphy answered the part about shareholder value so I will leave that one be.

I still don't agreed you deduced anything correctly and you continue to change the subject.

Have a good weekend. I am getting a beer and hitting the symphony. logging out to spend time with the family.

Well my final post..The bill, Disneys response, Desnatis response are all the same topic.
That is the pig,

 

[GAVol]

Remember how mad everyone was about Obama's IRS?

That's a good analogy. I still think the 1A argument is a stretch, but it clearly is bad policy to weaponize legislation or rule-making authority.

 

[volkyries]

Which orchestra and what are they playing?

Now I am logging off.

Knoxville Symphony Orchestra

 

[deezvols]

This thread is one of the biggest L's the right has taken on VN. This is really pathetic that anybody who pretends to be for small, responsible, competent government would defend Desantis actions.

Remember how mad everyone was about Obama's IRS? This is the same thing except even dumber because of how it all shakes out.

One could easily argue he’s restricting what government workers (public school employees) can do, therefore shrinking the power of the government….

 

[Orangeburst]

The IRS is a federal unelected bureaucratic agency so false equivalency. This is state matter. Voters dont like it, they can vote him out. Kinda how this works.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Now I am logging off.

Knoxville Symphony Orchestra

Ah, Racmaninov‘s Second. Enjoy

 

[Orangeburst]

I would rather be a poor man and live with myself than accept this disgusting **** being thrown in our face. Disney lied about a bill. Hang you hats on avoiding why this topic originated.

Get these efin sick minded mother ****ers to stop feeding their **** to children. Or Burn this **** down

 

[RockyTop85]

It was really long but had a ton of relevant information. Looked better on mobile but not much. Had a lot of info about their tax burden, more than I’ve seen anywhere else.

Yea..I read it again.
Gotta say it was difficult to read with ads and all sorts of distraction. Horrible.

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Orlando Sentinel | Dec. 18, 2019 | Updated Dec. 18, 2019, 9 a.m.
From the Florida Keys to Portland, Oregon, cities are increasingly turning to tourist taxes as one way to solve problems that come with being a top travel destination.

In the Keys, a portion of the taxes paid by hotel guests have built more than 1,000
This fall, Visit Orlando requested the county commission increase its share of tourist tax dollars to about $100 million annually by 2023, arguing in a statement to the Orlando Sentinel that it needs the money because the tourism industry "recognized that current levels of marketing are insufficient to remain competitive in the future.”

In October, the agency’s three-part measure passed unanimously after just 12 minutes of deliberation. Commissioners stumbled over each other to be first to second motions in favor of the changes. After the vote, applause broke out from tourism leaders in the audience.

Owen Beitsch, an economist at GAI Consultants in downtown Orlando, said it’s “perfectly appropriate” for the tourist tax to go back in the hands of tourism executives who know how to market the region. But he questioned why some of the dollars can’t be used for other needs in the community.

“The notion that it can’t be used for other things in a pretty material way, I think is equally silly,” he said.

Tourism leaders and local politicians argue they are hamstrung by state law, which narrowly defines how tourist tax money can be spent.

As it stands, the six pennies of Orange County’s bed tax are divided like this: The first four cents go to Visit Orlando for marketing and advertising, the convention center, stadiums, arenas and museums. The fifth cent is spent on debt payments for the expansion of the convention center and the sixth cent is spent on sports projects and tourism promotion.

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer, a longtime supporter of the industry, said he “can’t complain too much” about the hotel tax because it helped fund the Dr. Philips Center, the Amway Center and renovations of Camping World Stadium.

Those facilities, part of a deal championed by Dyer a decade ago and heavily supported by the local business community, were also sold, in part, on the idea that they would draw out-of-town visitors for events such as college football bowl games at Camping World Stadium. The venues also largely provide low-paying, often part-time jobs, though the city notes temporary higher-paying jobs came with their construction.

Bill Peeper, the first CEO of Visit Orlando, defended the venues as a benefit for the local community.

“The stadium is not a tourist attraction, the performing arts center is not a tourism attraction. Orlando’s Amway Center is not a tourist attraction. Those were 100% paid for by the tourism industry,” Peeper said, referring to the taxes paid by hotel guests. “My question is, [has] the tourism industry not engaged in the community by supporting the development of those three wonderful facilities that have benefited the social fabric and lifestyle of our community?”

Dyer said he has instead advocated for a seventh cent to be added to the tax to be used “for different specific purposes, whether it be homeless, transportation, law enforcement, whatever it may be.”

Since Fine, the Brevard lawmaker, pushed his change through in 2018, the hotel tax can technically be used for road projects. One of the caveats, however: To apply, counties have to spend at least 40% of their bed tax dollars promoting tourism.

Orange County appears to meet that threshold — the county spends more than 50% of the tourist tax on Visit Orlando and the convention center, according to the comptroller’s office.

But Orange County has argued it actually only uses about 30% of the money for tourism promotion — the convention center, it told the Sentinel in October, is viewed “as one of the engines for Central Florida businesses rather than a tourism attraction” even though one of Visit Orlando’s roles is to market the convention business.

As a result of that reasoning, the county will tap a special trust fund, rather than the tourist tax, to help pay for the road extension into Universal’s upcoming park, Epic Universe.

The Reedy Creek Improvement District
The tourism industry has been leveraging influence in Central Florida since Disney first arrived here more than 50 years ago.

In 1967, the entertainment giant reached an unprecedented agreement with the Florida Legislature to create its own government, allowing it to exercise authority usually reserved for cities and counties over its 27,000 acres of land. The property spans an area about twice the size of Manhattan in Orange and Osceola counties.

Known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the agency is able to sell tax-exempt bonds, write building codes, condemn property, develop and maintain its own infrastructure and offer fire and emergency services. It can levy taxes. And it can build whatever it wants — whether a theme park or an airport — most of it without the typical local oversight that encumbers regular developers.

Reedy Creek is made up of two cities, Bay Lake (population: 20) and Lake Buena Vista (population: 24). Disney owns most of the property and, as a result, controls who is appointed to run the district.

There is also another important benefit for Disney tucked inside Reedy Creek’s 92-page charter. Construction inside the district is exempt from certain taxes and fees added by the county governments after Reedy Creek was created.

That means Disney doesn’t pay impact fees. Those are the one-time payments developers make to offset the cost of public services like roads. The district pays for many of its own services, like fire and maintenance for the roads inside its boundaries. But if Reedy Creek didn’t exist, Disney would pay the fees, like any other developer, to Orange and Osceola counties.

At one point, Disney’s exemption from paying impact fees raised eyebrows from officials in Orange County.

In the 1980s, county officials threatened to sue Disney over the constitutionality of its Reedy Creek charter.

Then-commissioner Lou Treadway put it this way: “Without question, Disney is the largest taxpayer in Orange County. Without question, Disney is the largest employer in Orange County. And without question, Disney causes some of the greatest impact in Orange County.”

Ultimately, the company and the local government came to an agreement in 1989 and Disney paid about $13 millionfor road improvements outside its property. In exchange, Orange County agreed not to challenge Reedy Creek’scharter for seven years.

When the agreement ended, Disney stopped paying the fees. And Orange leaders haven’t pushed the issue since.

Disney is also immune from a tax that other property owners pay to fund law enforcement.

If the company was required to pay the tax, it would total about $21.1 million in fiscal year 2020, according to an analysis by the Orange County comptroller’s office. Instead, Reedy Creek will pay about $10.5 million in a contract with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

That means Reedy Creek — and Disney by extension — nets a savings of about $10.6 million a year thanks to the tax exemption.
Disney notes it pays other taxes that offset the benefits built into its charter.

Disney paid more than $120 million in taxes to Reedy Creek in 2018. The company and its Disney Vacation Club segment also pay 85% of the utilities for the district. Reedy Creek owns the utilities system and provides its own sewage treatment, road management and fire rescue forces, as well as security officers in addition to services it pays the sheriff’s office to provide.

"Because of the taxes paid annually to Reedy Creek Improvement District, Central Florida taxpayers are not burdened with additional costs of maintaining our infrastructure,” said Disney spokeswoman Andrea Finger.

Disney is also the largest property taxpayer in Orange County. It paid about $141 million in property taxes to the county last year. The company pays more than the next eight highest taxpayers combined.

The entertainment giant also says it makes other contributions to the community, including $34.5 million in cash and in-kind donations to local nonprofits last year. It donates thousands of meals and blankets annually to the homeless, hundreds of thousands of pounds of unserved food and thousands of dollars in school supplies. Disney’s Aspire education program has enrolled about 11,000 employees so far at network schools, like the University of Central Florida, paying 100% of the tuition.

In all, tourism businesses will bring in an estimated $412.8 million in property taxes between the theme parks, hotels, golf courses and businesses on International Drive this year, according to the county property appraiser’s office. That’s money that goes to fund public education and other services.

And the industry as a whole generated $5.1 billion in sales tax paid by consumers in 2017 — nearly a tenth of the total collections.

Money and power
State Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, said she’s often asked: “Why is tourism so powerful? Why don’t we see the financial benefit of this tax base as much as other cities?”

Eskamani, whose father worked as a customer service representative at Disney World when she was a child, said, "the reality is that these groups have exerted their influence for a very long time. I mean, it sounds cliche, but you can just look at financial contributions, and it kind of speaks for itself.”

In the 2018 legislative cycle, Disney, Universal, SeaWorld, Marriott International, the timeshare industry’s American Resort Development Association and the Florida Restaurant & Lodging Association gave about $10.8 million to lawmakers, political action committees and state parties.

Disney accounted for more than 70% of that amount. And that doesn’t count another $20.6 million Disney spent to support Amendment 3, which makes it harder to expand casinos in Florida. The amendment passed with an overwhelming 71% of the vote.

“We believe we have a responsibility to engage in issues that could directly impact the more than 77,000 cast members who work at Walt Disney World, and the well-being of our community," said Finger, the Disney spokeswoman. "We take this responsibility seriously and do this by taking an active role in finding solutions to important matters in our region.”

Last year, Universal gave about $2 million to candidates and committees.

Disney brought in a record profit of $12.6 billion in fiscal 2018 across its theme park, media, movie studio and product segments. Universal parent Comcast Corp. turned a profit of more than $11.7 billion last year.

The strength of Disney’s financial contributions is also seen in Anaheim, where Disneyland is located. Former Mayor Tom Tait, who left office in December 2018 and was a vocal critic of the company, voted against two hotly debated tax incentives that passed in 2015 and 2016.

“[Disney] literally floods out any other message because it’s such a disproportionate amount of money that they spend compared to everyone else,” said Tait, a Republican.

The two measures, immunity for as many as 45 years should Anaheim enact an entertainment tax and an estimated $267 million subsidy for a luxury hotel, were so contested that Disney ultimately pushed to scrap the deals in 2018 saying via a letter by then-Disneyland Resort President Josh D’Amaro, now the head of Orlando’s Walt Disney World Resort, that they “created an adversarial climate where there should be cooperation and goodwill.”

In Florida, Disney and Universal regularly flex their political muscle in Tallahassee.
Disney won concessions on a bill to allow human trafficking victims to sue hotels.

Last year, in the final hours of the session, the bill, which had seemed poised to pass, was suddenly dead in the water.

Disney and the Florida Restaurant & Lodging Association’s lobbyists, “were opposing it behind the scenes and we were aware of that,” said Richard Slawson, a Palm Beach attorney who sits on the board of Florida’s Children First, which helped propose the measure. Their influence, he said, helped kill the bill.

A version of the bill passed this year, though a key provision Disney opposed was stripped. The company did not respond to a question for comment on the measure.

Universal has also raised its political profile.

Even before deals for roads and corporate income tax breaks related to Epic Universe, which will be the company’s third main gate when it opens in four years, Universal tapped into a little-known pot of public dollars through its joint venture with Loews Hotels.

The Universal venture has claimed $17.1 million in tax credits over 20 years through Florida’s “Urban High Crime Area Jobs Tax Credit Program,” which was designed to incentivize businesses to move to troubled areas.

Orlando drew its high-crime area to include Universal, allowing the company to draw public subsidies from the program despite the revitalization that has occurred there in the past two decades. Universal and Loews are the most avid users of the program, accounting for about half of all the tax credits ever awarded across the state.

Universal declined to answer questions the Orlando Sentinel sent regarding its role in the community, including about the high-crime tax credit program, saying the Sentinel’s questions seem “intentionally and unfairly skewed toward requiring us to offer a detailed defense of our business and our industry.”

“Instead, we would share that we have launched tens of thousands of careers, done business with hundreds of local companies, contributed millions of dollars in charitable contributions, paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes and contributed billions of dollars in direct and indirect economic benefit to our community,” Universal spokesman Tom Schroder said via email.

What’s next?
Business leaders and industry supporters argue that ongoing public support is necessary for Disney, Universal and the smaller attractions to keep Orlando No. 1 in tourism.

Critics say it’s time for the industry to support itself and for the community to turn its focus to some of the challenges that come with a growing, and largely low-wage and low-skilled, workforce.

Richard Foglesong, author of “Married to the Mouse,” a 2001 book that chronicles Disney’s rise to power in Central Florida, argues local politicians should push for more leeway on how to spend the hotel tax at a time when the county is seeking solutions to the affordable housing crisis and a bus system with hours-long commutes.

State and local politicians, he said, should have plenty of leverage because the theme park giants are unlikely to pick up and move their investments elsewhere.

“It should not be difficult for county and state leaders to change our tourist development tax to allow the proceeds to go for education and transportation. It should not be difficult for Orange County to adopt a living wage policy whereby you have to pay a living wage in order to get any kind of infrastructure support,” Foglesong said. “It should not be difficult because Disney is dug in. Disney is not leaving and Universal’s not leaving.”

Recently, there’s been some movement on the wages front. Disney agreed to increase its minimum wage for about 40,000 unionized employees to $15 an hour by the fall of 2021. Universal and SeaWorld responded by also announcing pay raises. Universal’s minimum will rise to $13 in 2020 and to $15 by 2023. SeaWorld increased its minimum to $11.

There’s no single solution for some of the community’s biggest challenges like housing and transportation, said Eric Gray, executive director of United Against Poverty Orlando.

But, he said, solutions start with business and government leaders who are willing to make them a priority.
People in leadership positions care when they’re made to care about issues that may not be part of their core agenda,” he said. “We need to stand up on the world stage, raise our hand in front of a world audience and say, ‘We have problems. As the most popular city in the world, we’d like you to watch us fix them and hold us accountable.’”

This story is part of Laborland, the Orlando’s Sentinel’s four-part series on the challenges facing tourism workers in the most popular vacation destination in the country nearly 50 years after the opening of Walt Disney World.

 

[RockyTop85]

You not liking what was done and thinking it was a political move by the governor for Disney speaking out, does not make it illegal. This was done properly through the legislature regardless of the motives. If that is your only basis for it being illegal, then you should be screaming over provisions in every bill passed by the state and the federal legislatures.

The FL legislature is still bound by the Florida and US constitutions. It is arguably an unconstitutional act.

There’s also a question of whether Disney actually had to re-up after the state constitution was formed, which is how they got around the local consent requirement.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Funny how many of you think teaching 5 and 6 year olds about trannies, homosexuals and gender identities is acceptable. It’s no wonder the country is as F’ed up as it is

 

[Carl Pickens]

Yep… Disney should just pack up and move
Olbermann, other liberals offer Disney 'simple solution': 'Move' multi-billion dollar operation from Florida

 

[Orangeburst]

It was really long but had a ton of relevant information. Looked better on mobile but not much. Had a lot of info about their tax burden, more than I’ve seen anywhere else.

Orlando Sentinel | Dec. 18, 2019 | Updated Dec. 18, 2019, 9 a.m.
From the Florida Keys to Portland, Oregon, cities are increasingly turning to tourist taxes as one way to solve problems that come with being a top travel destination.

In the Keys, a portion of the taxes paid by hotel guests have built more than 1,000
This fall, Visit Orlando requested the county commission increase its share of tourist tax dollars to about $100 million annually by 2023, arguing in a statement to the Orlando Sentinel that it needs the money because the tourism industry "recognized that current levels of marketing are insufficient to remain competitive in the future.”

In October, the agency’s three-part measure passed unanimously after just 12 minutes of deliberation. Commissioners stumbled over each other to be first to second motions in favor of the changes. After the vote, applause broke out from tourism leaders in the audience.

Owen Beitsch, an economist at GAI Consultants in downtown Orlando, said it’s “perfectly appropriate” for the tourist tax to go back in the hands of tourism executives who know how to market the region. But he questioned why some of the dollars can’t be used for other needs in the community.

“The notion that it can’t be used for other things in a pretty material way, I think is equally silly,” he said.

Tourism leaders and local politicians argue they are hamstrung by state law, which narrowly defines how tourist tax money can be spent.

As it stands, the six pennies of Orange County’s bed tax are divided like this: The first four cents go to Visit Orlando for marketing and advertising, the convention center, stadiums, arenas and museums. The fifth cent is spent on debt payments for the expansion of the convention center and the sixth cent is spent on sports projects and tourism promotion.

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer, a longtime supporter of the industry, said he “can’t complain too much” about the hotel tax because it helped fund the Dr. Philips Center, the Amway Center and renovations of Camping World Stadium.

Those facilities, part of a deal championed by Dyer a decade ago and heavily supported by the local business community, were also sold, in part, on the idea that they would draw out-of-town visitors for events such as college football bowl games at Camping World Stadium. The venues also largely provide low-paying, often part-time jobs, though the city notes temporary higher-paying jobs came with their construction.

Bill Peeper, the first CEO of Visit Orlando, defended the venues as a benefit for the local community.

“The stadium is not a tourist attraction, the performing arts center is not a tourism attraction. Orlando’s Amway Center is not a tourist attraction. Those were 100% paid for by the tourism industry,” Peeper said, referring to the taxes paid by hotel guests. “My question is, [has] the tourism industry not engaged in the community by supporting the development of those three wonderful facilities that have benefited the social fabric and lifestyle of our community?”

Dyer said he has instead advocated for a seventh cent to be added to the tax to be used “for different specific purposes, whether it be homeless, transportation, law enforcement, whatever it may be.”

Since Fine, the Brevard lawmaker, pushed his change through in 2018, the hotel tax can technically be used for road projects. One of the caveats, however: To apply, counties have to spend at least 40% of their bed tax dollars promoting tourism.

Orange County appears to meet that threshold — the county spends more than 50% of the tourist tax on Visit Orlando and the convention center, according to the comptroller’s office.

But Orange County has argued it actually only uses about 30% of the money for tourism promotion — the convention center, it told the Sentinel in October, is viewed “as one of the engines for Central Florida businesses rather than a tourism attraction” even though one of Visit Orlando’s roles is to market the convention business.

As a result of that reasoning, the county will tap a special trust fund, rather than the tourist tax, to help pay for the road extension into Universal’s upcoming park, Epic Universe.

The Reedy Creek Improvement District
The tourism industry has been leveraging influence in Central Florida since Disney first arrived here more than 50 years ago.

In 1967, the entertainment giant reached an unprecedented agreement with the Florida Legislature to create its own government, allowing it to exercise authority usually reserved for cities and counties over its 27,000 acres of land. The property spans an area about twice the size of Manhattan in Orange and Osceola counties.

Known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the agency is able to sell tax-exempt bonds, write building codes, condemn property, develop and maintain its own infrastructure and offer fire and emergency services. It can levy taxes. And it can build whatever it wants — whether a theme park or an airport — most of it without the typical local oversight that encumbers regular developers.

Reedy Creek is made up of two cities, Bay Lake (population: 20) and Lake Buena Vista (population: 24). Disney owns most of the property and, as a result, controls who is appointed to run the district.

There is also another important benefit for Disney tucked inside Reedy Creek’s 92-page charter. Construction inside the district is exempt from certain taxes and fees added by the county governments after Reedy Creek was created.

That means Disney doesn’t pay impact fees. Those are the one-time payments developers make to offset the cost of public services like roads. The district pays for many of its own services, like fire and maintenance for the roads inside its boundaries. But if Reedy Creek didn’t exist, Disney would pay the fees, like any other developer, to Orange and Osceola counties.

At one point, Disney’s exemption from paying impact fees raised eyebrows from officials in Orange County.

In the 1980s, county officials threatened to sue Disney over the constitutionality of its Reedy Creek charter.

Then-commissioner Lou Treadway put it this way: “Without question, Disney is the largest taxpayer in Orange County. Without question, Disney is the largest employer in Orange County. And without question, Disney causes some of the greatest impact in Orange County.”

Ultimately, the company and the local government came to an agreement in 1989 and Disney paid about $13 millionfor road improvements outside its property. In exchange, Orange County agreed not to challenge Reedy Creek’scharter for seven years.

When the agreement ended, Disney stopped paying the fees. And Orange leaders haven’t pushed the issue since.

Disney is also immune from a tax that other property owners pay to fund law enforcement.

If the company was required to pay the tax, it would total about $21.1 million in fiscal year 2020, according to an analysis by the Orange County comptroller’s office. Instead, Reedy Creek will pay about $10.5 million in a contract with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

That means Reedy Creek — and Disney by extension — nets a savings of about $10.6 million a year thanks to the tax exemption.
Disney notes it pays other taxes that offset the benefits built into its charter.

Disney paid more than $120 million in taxes to Reedy Creek in 2018. The company and its Disney Vacation Club segment also pay 85% of the utilities for the district. Reedy Creek owns the utilities system and provides its own sewage treatment, road management and fire rescue forces, as well as security officers in addition to services it pays the sheriff’s office to provide.

"Because of the taxes paid annually to Reedy Creek Improvement District, Central Florida taxpayers are not burdened with additional costs of maintaining our infrastructure,” said Disney spokeswoman Andrea Finger.

Disney is also the largest property taxpayer in Orange County. It paid about $141 million in property taxes to the county last year. The company pays more than the next eight highest taxpayers combined.

The entertainment giant also says it makes other contributions to the community, including $34.5 million in cash and in-kind donations to local nonprofits last year. It donates thousands of meals and blankets annually to the homeless, hundreds of thousands of pounds of unserved food and thousands of dollars in school supplies. Disney’s Aspire education program has enrolled about 11,000 employees so far at network schools, like the University of Central Florida, paying 100% of the tuition.

In all, tourism businesses will bring in an estimated $412.8 million in property taxes between the theme parks, hotels, golf courses and businesses on International Drive this year, according to the county property appraiser’s office. That’s money that goes to fund public education and other services.

And the industry as a whole generated $5.1 billion in sales tax paid by consumers in 2017 — nearly a tenth of the total collections.

Money and power
State Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, said she’s often asked: “Why is tourism so powerful? Why don’t we see the financial benefit of this tax base as much as other cities?”

Eskamani, whose father worked as a customer service representative at Disney World when she was a child, said, "the reality is that these groups have exerted their influence for a very long time. I mean, it sounds cliche, but you can just look at financial contributions, and it kind of speaks for itself.”

In the 2018 legislative cycle, Disney, Universal, SeaWorld, Marriott International, the timeshare industry’s American Resort Development Association and the Florida Restaurant & Lodging Association gave about $10.8 million to lawmakers, political action committees and state parties.

Disney accounted for more than 70% of that amount. And that doesn’t count another $20.6 million Disney spent to support Amendment 3, which makes it harder to expand casinos in Florida. The amendment passed with an overwhelming 71% of the vote.

“We believe we have a responsibility to engage in issues that could directly impact the more than 77,000 cast members who work at Walt Disney World, and the well-being of our community," said Finger, the Disney spokeswoman. "We take this responsibility seriously and do this by taking an active role in finding solutions to important matters in our region.”

Last year, Universal gave about $2 million to candidates and committees.

Disney brought in a record profit of $12.6 billion in fiscal 2018 across its theme park, media, movie studio and product segments. Universal parent Comcast Corp. turned a profit of more than $11.7 billion last year.

The strength of Disney’s financial contributions is also seen in Anaheim, where Disneyland is located. Former Mayor Tom Tait, who left office in December 2018 and was a vocal critic of the company, voted against two hotly debated tax incentives that passed in 2015 and 2016.

“[Disney] literally floods out any other message because it’s such a disproportionate amount of money that they spend compared to everyone else,” said Tait, a Republican.

The two measures, immunity for as many as 45 years should Anaheim enact an entertainment tax and an estimated $267 million subsidy for a luxury hotel, were so contested that Disney ultimately pushed to scrap the deals in 2018 saying via a letter by then-Disneyland Resort President Josh D’Amaro, now the head of Orlando’s Walt Disney World Resort, that they “created an adversarial climate where there should be cooperation and goodwill.”

In Florida, Disney and Universal regularly flex their political muscle in Tallahassee.
Disney won concessions on a bill to allow human trafficking victims to sue hotels.

Last year, in the final hours of the session, the bill, which had seemed poised to pass, was suddenly dead in the water.

Disney and the Florida Restaurant & Lodging Association’s lobbyists, “were opposing it behind the scenes and we were aware of that,” said Richard Slawson, a Palm Beach attorney who sits on the board of Florida’s Children First, which helped propose the measure. Their influence, he said, helped kill the bill.

A version of the bill passed this year, though a key provision Disney opposed was stripped. The company did not respond to a question for comment on the measure.

Universal has also raised its political profile.

Even before deals for roads and corporate income tax breaks related to Epic Universe, which will be the company’s third main gate when it opens in four years, Universal tapped into a little-known pot of public dollars through its joint venture with Loews Hotels.

The Universal venture has claimed $17.1 million in tax credits over 20 years through Florida’s “Urban High Crime Area Jobs Tax Credit Program,” which was designed to incentivize businesses to move to troubled areas.

Orlando drew its high-crime area to include Universal, allowing the company to draw public subsidies from the program despite the revitalization that has occurred there in the past two decades. Universal and Loews are the most avid users of the program, accounting for about half of all the tax credits ever awarded across the state.

Universal declined to answer questions the Orlando Sentinel sent regarding its role in the community, including about the high-crime tax credit program, saying the Sentinel’s questions seem “intentionally and unfairly skewed toward requiring us to offer a detailed defense of our business and our industry.”

“Instead, we would share that we have launched tens of thousands of careers, done business with hundreds of local companies, contributed millions of dollars in charitable contributions, paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes and contributed billions of dollars in direct and indirect economic benefit to our community,” Universal spokesman Tom Schroder said via email.

What’s next?
Business leaders and industry supporters argue that ongoing public support is necessary for Disney, Universal and the smaller attractions to keep Orlando No. 1 in tourism.

Critics say it’s time for the industry to support itself and for the community to turn its focus to some of the challenges that come with a growing, and largely low-wage and low-skilled, workforce.

Richard Foglesong, author of “Married to the Mouse,” a 2001 book that chronicles Disney’s rise to power in Central Florida, argues local politicians should push for more leeway on how to spend the hotel tax at a time when the county is seeking solutions to the affordable housing crisis and a bus system with hours-long commutes.

State and local politicians, he said, should have plenty of leverage because the theme park giants are unlikely to pick up and move their investments elsewhere.

“It should not be difficult for county and state leaders to change our tourist development tax to allow the proceeds to go for education and transportation. It should not be difficult for Orange County to adopt a living wage policy whereby you have to pay a living wage in order to get any kind of infrastructure support,” Foglesong said. “It should not be difficult because Disney is dug in. Disney is not leaving and Universal’s not leaving.”

Recently, there’s been some movement on the wages front. Disney agreed to increase its minimum wage for about 40,000 unionized employees to $15 an hour by the fall of 2021. Universal and SeaWorld responded by also announcing pay raises. Universal’s minimum will rise to $13 in 2020 and to $15 by 2023. SeaWorld increased its minimum to $11.

There’s no single solution for some of the community’s biggest challenges like housing and transportation, said Eric Gray, executive director of United Against Poverty Orlando.

But, he said, solutions start with business and government leaders who are willing to make them a priority.
People in leadership positions care when they’re made to care about issues that may not be part of their core agenda,” he said. “We need to stand up on the world stage, raise our hand in front of a world audience and say, ‘We have problems. As the most popular city in the world, we’d like you to watch us fix them and hold us accountable.’”

This story is part of Laborland, the Orlando’s Sentinel’s four-part series on the challenges facing tourism workers in the most popular vacation destination in the country nearly 50 years after the opening of Walt Disney World.

That was my point in the beginning as I posted the other night.

Disney brought in a record profit of $12.6 billion in fiscal 2018...but paid $100M in local taxes. and no state taxes. Heck of a deal they got from 55 years ago. Time to stand up on their own as far as I care.

I dare say show me one relocation initiative that goes out past 20 years.

 

[Carl Pickens]

That was my point in the beginning as I posted the other night.

Disney brought in a record profit of $12.6 billion in fiscal 2018...but paid $100M in local taxes. and no state taxes. Heck of a deal they got from 55 years ago. Time to stand up on their own as far as I care.

I dare say show me one relocation initiative that goes out past 20 years.

As the liberals say… they need to pay their fair share

 

[dobre_shunka]

The FL legislature is still bound by the Florida and US constitutions. It is arguably an unconstitutional act.

There’s also a question of whether Disney actually had to re-up after the state constitution was formed, which is how they got around the local consent requirement.

Exactly how is a state government repealing a law unconstitutional?

Is it your assertion that this special provision given to Disney was an infinite and never ending situation?