The economy post-Covid

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vols40 said:
I blame him for advising the economy be shut down with no evidence to support it. I didn't say it was his fault for the testing. He has stated that decisions should be based on results of testing yet he advised the economy be closed at a time when there was little to no testing. So without "scientific data" he made a plea to shut down the economy. It's hypocritical at the very least. And absolutely not "scientific."
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Blame Trump and the Governors. He just provides his opinion. He doesn’t make policy or set guidelines.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'm not going political here but think you will see vastly different recoveries from state to state.

The difference in opening tomorrow versus 90 days from tomorrow is monstrous. I feel more optimistic just driving around TN the past few weeks and seeing businesses starting to open. I cant imagine receiving a message like Californiains got yesterday.
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If you reside in Cali, then the message is move.
 
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hog88 said:
It all depends on what the .gov (all levels) does. If it keeps taxes low, doesn't pass new regulations and basically gets the hell out of the way of private enterprise the economy will bounce back quickly. If .gov tries to "regulate and tax" us back to prosperity we are in for a long stretch of pain.
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How will it bounce back quickly? I think your logic is faulty. When the economy was booming, the government was not keeping taxes low, eliminating regulations or staying the hell out of the way of private enterprise. Those things will have little to nothing to do with an economic revival.

Here's why I think the economy won't come back quickly, There will be thousands of permanent jobs lost and small businesses close. Some of the essential businesses that are open now will close. I think real estate is about to get hit with foreclosed homes and less demand for retail/office space. Credit is likely to get tight again. Car production and sales will drop significantly. I hate to say this, but I think we are on the precipice of a depression. I hope I am wrong about all of this.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'm not going political here but think you will see vastly different recoveries from state to state.

The difference in opening tomorrow versus 90 days from tomorrow is monstrous. I feel more optimistic just driving around TN the past few weeks and seeing businesses starting to open. I cant imagine receiving a message like Californiains got yesterday.
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They got the government they deserve
 
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hog88 said:
I had to go into Nashville this morning, it was eerily quite. Gave myself the normal time to make my meeting and ended up 20 minutes early.
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I've tried to judge this same thing in my daily life. I feel like traffic is back to about 75% normal on my commute.
 
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volfanhill said:
Blame Trump and the Governors. He just provides his opinion. He doesn’t make policy or set guidelines.
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Are you suggesting that the governors and President would have made these decisions if Dr Fauci had not proposed closing because if we don't hospitals will be overrun and millions will die? I get it there is blame to go around. My assertion is that Dr Fauci the expert epidemiologist who only makes decisions based on scientific data but did not when recommending that we close the country.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
How will it bounce back quickly? I think your logic is faulty. When the economy was booming, the government was not keeping taxes low, eliminating regulations or staying the hell out of the way of private enterprise. Those things will have little to nothing to do with an economic revival.

Here's why I think the economy won't come back quickly, There will be thousands of permanent jobs lost and small businesses close. Some of the essential businesses that are open now will close. I think real estate is about to get hit with foreclosed homes and less demand for retail/office space. Credit is likely to get tight again. Car production and sales will drop significantly. I hate to say this, but I think we are on the precipice of a depression. I hope I am wrong about all of this.
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Depression seeking body counters.
 
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volfanhill said:
Sure he does. But he’s not the one making the decisions. You all just don’t want to blame, who you really should blame, if you don’t like the doctor.
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There is plenty of blame to go around. Blame the doctors, blame the politicians, blame the media, blame ourselves.

Fauci is recognized as some holy prophet of virus. Going against his recommendations would have the media whipped up to a froth and the opposition political party hanging every death at the doorstep of those who ignored Fauci/Birx recommendations.

Get off your imaginary high horse, Don Quixote de La Mancha.
 
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vols40 said:
Are you suggesting that the governors and President would have made these decisions if Dr Fauci had not proposed closing because if we don't hospitals will be overrun and millions will die? I get it there is blame to go around. My assertion is that Dr Fauci the expert epidemiologist who only makes decisions based on scientific data but did not when recommending that we close the country.
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I haven’t seen any other high level governmental scientists disagreeing with him. And ultimately he makes zero decisions.
 
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37L1 said:
There is plenty of blame to go around. Blame the doctors, blame the politicians, blame the media, blame ourselves.

Fauci is recognized as some holy prophet of virus. Going against his recommendations would have the media whipped up to a froth and the opposition political party hanging every death at the doorstep of those who ignored Fauci/Birx recommendations.

Get off your imaginary high horse, Don Quixote de La Mancha.
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And you all blaming Fauci, when he literally makes zero decisions, is ridiculously laughable. You don’t like his advice then don’t take it. You being the leadership.
 
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volfanhill said:
And you all blaming Fauci, when he literally makes zero decisions, is ridiculously laughable. You don’t like his advice then don’t take it. You being the leadership.
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He had the platform to drive a narrative and did for a long time. Pence should have taken that info then processed and disseminated it instead
 
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Speculating here but many small businesses are most likely SOL. My wife operates her own company & saw about a 45% drop in revenue. Luckily for her, she has seen a slight increase in business since things have reopened and hopefully that continues. Many services or places we enjoyed may very well not exist in the near future.
 
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volfanhill said:
And you all blaming Fauci, when he literally makes zero decisions, is ridiculously laughable. You don’t like his advice then don’t take it. You being the leadership.
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I'm not blaming Fauci, others may be, but I'm not one. I do think that he has been given way too much sway but that is not of his own doing. I think he's doing what he thinks is best given his knowledge and training. I also think that people like to blame someone or something when things happen that they don't like, it's human nature.

People just have had enough and don't want to be told to shelter in place or be scared of this virus anymore. Until we get it, that is. It's gotten to the point with many that they are saying "F this, I'm willing to take my chances" and are going to roast anyone who stands in their way. This is only going to get worse if this virus continues to recede and the lock downs remain in place.
 
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37L1 said:
I'm not blaming Fauci, others may be, but I'm not one. I do think that he has been given way too much sway but that is not of his own doing. I think he's doing what he thinks is best given his knowledge and training. I also think that people like to blame someone or something when things happen that they don't like, it's human nature.

People just have had enough and don't want to be told to shelter in place or be scared of this virus anymore. Until we get it, that is. It's gotten to the point with many that they are saying "F this, I'm willing to take my chances" and are going to roast anyone who stands in their way. This is only going to get worse if this virus continues to recede and the lock downs remain in place.
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Agreed
 
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Purple Tiger said:
How will it bounce back quickly? I think your logic is faulty. When the economy was booming, the government was not keeping taxes low, eliminating regulations or staying the hell out of the way of private enterprise. Those things will have little to nothing to do with an economic revival.

Here's why I think the economy won't come back quickly, There will be thousands of permanent jobs lost and small businesses close. Some of the essential businesses that are open now will close. I think real estate is about to get hit with foreclosed homes and less demand for retail/office space. Credit is likely to get tight again. Car production and sales will drop significantly. I hate to say this, but I think we are on the precipice of a depression. I hope I am wrong about all of this.
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Taxes were very low before this hit and gov't was largely staying out of the way. Don't know what you're referring to. Trump has cut off all kinds of regulations and his tax cut was huge
 
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