The End is Near for Fox News

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KB5252 said:
Fox News leaves that part up to the guests they have on their programs. And by the way they do a better job getting relevant guests, both liberal and conservative mouthpieces, to push their candidate. ( Just elaborating on your statement)
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you're right, but I was just needling him a little bit for talking out both sides of his mouth.
 
#102
#102
nice logic, in leaping to that conclusion, you've also confirmed that CNN, MSNBC and the Big 3 are all democrat mouthpieces.

1 vs 5...and yet the left still fears FNC
 
#103
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jkell24 said:
So, by saying that a "liberal" wouldn't like FoxNews you are confirming that it is indeed a conservative channel. Thanks for proving our point that it is not fair and balanced.
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No. He is saying a liberal would not watch anything remotely objective.
 
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jkell24 said:
So, by saying that a "liberal" wouldn't like FoxNews you are confirming that it is indeed a conservative channel. Thanks for proving our point that it is not fair and balanced.
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let me help you think a bit. I'm actually saying that it doesn't approach every single story from the harcore left viewpoint that the journalism schools in our country fiercely espouse. That's about 4,000 light years away from it being conservative.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
let me help you think a bit. I'm actually saying that it doesn't approach every single story from the harcore left viewpoint that the journalism schools in our country fiercely espouse. That's about 4,000 light years away from it being conservative.
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OK, than any channel including CNN and MSNBC that report everything with a left viewpoint have no right to use a slogan such as "fair and balanced" either. That is my point, since Fox and no other channel have an even message they shouldn't use that slogan. That is where I was coming from when I said that i didn't think Fox News was fair and balanced at the start of this thread. I was not saying that other channels were "fair and balanced" rather that Fox wasn't either.
 
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jkell24 said:
OK, than any channel including CNN and MSNBC that report everything with a left viewpoint have no right to use a slogan such as "fair and balanced" either. That is my point, since Fox and no other channel have an even message they shouldn't use that slogan. That is where I was coming from when I said that i didn't think Fox News was fair and balanced at the start of this thread. I was not saying that other channels were "fair and balanced" rather that Fox wasn't either.
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who cares what they call themselves and why does it matter to you? they have a slogan and it works. I'm sure they love that it sticks in your craw. They are drawing a definite distinction between themselves and the communists against whom they compete for revenues. It actually could not be a more effective marketing tool for them.

I wish I had thought of the idea first, the slogan second.
 
#107
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jkell24 said:
Why is Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews always mentioned as MSNBC news? It goes both ways. Debate an issue? What's the point when it's me and maybe three more people against 50? Why don't you go on a liberal site and debate with them? Right, you would be wasting your time like me on this site. The fact that my post got quoted as many times as it did really proves my point. Thank you.
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I do debate on liberal leaning sites. I find it frustrating at times but I refrain from blanket statements about what "those people" believe. I try to respond to individual poster's positions and arguments rather than blanket assessments of the board's mentality.

It's not wasting time if you stick to positions and issues rather than stereotypes and insults.
 
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#108
Please someone explain these to me cause they damn sure do not seem like this extremely high ranking FNC exec is looking for fairness or balance.
Fox News Memos: The Whole Batch
TomPaine.com - Outfoxing Fox News
god this gets so easy and there is what 10-12 of you all.
Lets see who can get this right.
What is the only news channel ran by someone who has run political campaigns and what party did they run those campaigns for?:p
 
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volinbham said:
I do debate on liberal leaning sites. I find it frustrating at times but I refrain from blanket statements about what "those people" believe. I try to respond to individual poster's positions and arguments rather than blanket assessments of the board's mentality.

It's not wasting time if you stick to positions and issues rather than stereotypes and insults.
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Will you please quote BPV and give him the same advice he keeps using the word communist over and over on this board what's good for the goose is good for the gander right.
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#110
#110
DAVOL said:
Please someone explain these to me cause they damn sure do not seem like this extremely high ranking FNC exec is looking for fairness or balance.
Fox News Memos: The Whole Batch
TomPaine.com - Outfoxing Fox News
god this gets so easy and there is what 10-12 of you all.
Lets see who can get this right.
What is the only news channel ran by someone who has run political campaigns and what party did they run those campaigns for?:p
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you can't generate enough of this style absurdity to overcome the likes of Dan Rather.

When you're finished putting the disaster that is Dan Rather, there are about 40 more. When you've put those to bed, then I'll concede that it's easy.
 
#111
#111
DAVOL said:
Will you please quote BPV and give him the same advice he keeps using the word communist over and over on this board what's good for the goose is good for the gander right.​
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I'm not the one crying about how hard it is here to be heard or that someone might not appreciate my viewpoint.

For my edification, why would my using the word communist bother you?

Volinbham was just being kind to the whiny kid in the corner.
 
#112
#112
BigPapaVol said:
you can't generate enough of this style absurdity to overcome the likes of Dan Rather.
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BigPapaVol said:
When you're finished putting the disaster that is Dan Rather, there are about 40 more. When you've put those to bed, then I'll concede that it's easy.​
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Well I've got 4,563,746,376,384 more since it seems you can just put numbers up without any backing please back up your 40 oh and I guess you don't know the answer to my question.​

Also how is it absurd are you saying these memos never existed and if so you'd think this high ranking FNC exec would sue I know I would atleast to have the facts put straight.
Lastly we do not have to defend CNN MSNBC ABC NYT or any other media outlet they maybe center, right or left none of those claim to be fair and balanced FNC does and I"ve seen many of you one day say they are conservative cause all the others are liberal then the next day claim they are fair and balanced.Which the hell is it?
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#113
#113
DAVOL said:
Well I've got 4,563,746,376,384 more since it seems you can just put numbers up without any backing please back up your 40 oh and I guess you don't know the answer to my question.​
Also how is it absurd are you saying these memos never existed and if so you'd think this high ranking FNC exec would sue I know I would atleast to have the facts put straight.​

Lastly we do not have to defend CNN MSNBC ABC NYT or any other media outlet they maybe center, right or left none of those claim to be fair and balanced FNC does and I"ve seen many of you one day say they are conservative cause all the others are liberal then the next day claim they are fair and balanced.Which the hell is it?​
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Are you serious? Fox is busted because they have an undeniably conservative senior staffer who would like to have his view represented in their programming.

If this is a problem, I have to assume that your next post will ask that the NYT, all the networks, plus CNN et al be shuttered.

While I agree that such a move would help disseminate more accurate news on the hole, you have millions who actually today believe what the NYT tells them.

As to my 40, take your pick of any 40 senior editors at any news organization besides Fox. There's your sample.
 
#114
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DAVOL said:
Please someone explain these to me cause they damn sure do not seem like this extremely high ranking FNC exec is looking for fairness or balance.
Fox News Memos: The Whole Batch
TomPaine.com - Outfoxing Fox News
god this gets so easy and there is what 10-12 of you all.
Lets see who can get this right.
What is the only news channel ran by someone who has run political campaigns and what party did they run those campaigns for?:p
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I didn't feel like going through all of them but after skipping around I don't really see anything particularly damning. Looks like basic news triage to me. Somebody has to say what to put on the air. If you've taken the time to read all the way through please put forth (or at least ID by memo date or something) what you find so egregious. If anything I found this one to show a heck of a lot of character:

4/22/04 (last paragraph)
The CBS airing of a still picture of Diana dying in her car in Paris is causing a stir in England. We will not air the still. We can talk about it, describe it, analyze it. But we will NOT air the picture.

There was even humor, as seen in paragraph 6 of the 4/26/04 memo:
Monday Update: The British authorities looking into the Princess Diana's death are taking a "coronor's tour" of Paris. Not a coronary tour.

If you meant to use these memos against FNC you might not only have come up short, it may have outright backfired on you.
 
#115
#115
DAVOL said:
Please someone explain these to me cause they damn sure do not seem like this extremely high ranking FNC exec is looking for fairness or balance.
Fox News Memos: The Whole Batch
TomPaine.com - Outfoxing Fox News
god this gets so easy and there is what 10-12 of you all.
Lets see who can get this right.
What is the only news channel ran by someone who has run political campaigns and what party did they run those campaigns for?:p
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The irony of the OutFoxed documentary was the bias with which it was presented while claiming to be a journalistic look at Fox. It was a completely selectively edited product to prove a point rather than to explore and be informative.

Second, as has been repeated throughout this thread, Fox has a strategy as do all the news outlets. They attempt to differentiate themselves. The memos demonstrate issues where they believe there coverage will differ from their competitors.

Fox has a slant, the others have a slant. Fair and Balanced is a slogan. It is their strategy to present facts from a side of the story that is often ignored by other news outlets. They try to cover the balanced part by having screaming people from each side of an issue.

If we are to discard slogans how about these:

All the News that's fit to print (NYT) - wrong.
CBS World News - how much world coverage? - wrong.
Etc. etc.
 
#116
#116
DAVOL said:
Will you please quote BPV and give him the same advice he keeps using the word communist over and over on this board what's good for the goose is good for the gander right.​
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When he directs these comments at me, I'll quote him.
 
#118
#118
Hey why is O'reilly crying about Obama always blowing his show off. I mean he's not even won the nomination yet so I'd say he'd much rather be campaigning than going on a show where less than 5% of his audience would ever vote for him in the general election anyway. He'd have to be an idiot to even waste his time with O'reilly there is nothing to gain hell O'reilly probably would just "cut his mic"
anyway. Notice Olberman doesn't cry about Bush and Cheney giving all those one on one interviews to FNC and never giving him one. Hell I thought they were everybody's pres and vice pres seems they'd like to reach those that watch other news than FNC.
 
#119
#119
BPV, are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? It seems that a few members would like you to attend their meetings if either is true
 
#120
#120
DAVOL said:
Hey why is O'reilly crying about Obama always blowing his show off. I mean he's not even won the nomination yet so I'd say he'd much rather be campaigning than going on a show where less than 5% of his audience would ever vote for him in the general election anyway. He'd have to be an idiot to even waste his time with O'reilly there is nothing to gain hell O'reilly probably would just "cut his mic"
anyway. Notice Olberman doesn't cry about Bush and Cheney giving all those one on one interviews to FNC and never giving him one. Hell I thought they were everybody's pres and vice pres seems they'd like to reach those that watch other news than FNC.
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Because O'Reilly will ask him, "When you say 'We Need Change', what do you mean?" Obama hollers about change non-stop, but hasn't given anything but vague answers, but the Left hates GWB so much that they eat it up like a Beagle on a buffet table.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
BPV, are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? It seems that a few members would like you to attend their meetings if either is true
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I'm actually not, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in the past decade.

Ever wonder why they're touchy about being called communists? Maybe whining is just a part of their inherent caring worldview.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Because O'Reilly will ask him, "When you say 'We Need Change', what do you mean?" Obama hollers about change non-stop, but hasn't given anything but vague answers, but the Left hates GWB so much that they eat it up like a Beagle on a buffet table.
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No like I said he'd probably just say "cut his mic" "cut his mic" like he has done to several guests on his show I guess the right just loves Obama and Hillary.
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#123
#123
Probably because alot of their ideas are very similar to Uncle Fidel, but he's a naughty man so they don't want to be associated with him, unless they happen to be Michael Moore, who thankfully will die from an obesity induced heart attack before he can release too many more smears against the nation.

Amazing, that Captain "Socialist Society" lives in a Mansion and lives the high life when he isn't making "documentaries" about the plight of the poor and disenfranchised.
 
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DAVOL said:

No like I said he'd probably just say "cut his mic" "cut his mic" like he has done to several guests on his show I guess the right just loves Obama and Hillary.
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O'Reilly is a Constitutional Libertarian, he takes shots at the GOP too. The key word is CONSTITUTIONAL, meaning "pertaining to the Constitution", a document that the left considers either outdated, or open to interpretation.
 
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