"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

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I just wanted to say it is nice to see a TN QB getting some love in a Bowl Game. Kurt Phillips doing a nice job for Wisc. Kingsport boy played his HS ball at Sullivan South.
 
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TNRazor said:
I've said it before and i'll say it again, i'm not pro SEC i'm pro Big Orange, I hope they all lose
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You realize Bama and UF look down at us and laugh, do you? They still hate us and will never stick up for us. Quit being a SEC whore and grow a sack.
 
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Special Ed said:
That "enemy of my enemy" rubric doesn't always hold true.
For example, al-Qaida was the enemy of Saddam Hussein.
Neither could be called a friend of the US.
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Yes, this is an excellent comparison to football...




...if you're a moron.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
You realize Bama and UF look down at us and laugh, do you? They still hate us and will never stick up for us. Quit being a SEC whore and grow a sack.
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Like I've said previously...though they hate us and want to beat us many rationtional (key word) Bama, UGA, LSU, uF fans would prefer for UT to be more competitive. They are use to it historically and they've realized that beating us while we r down isn't as much fun as beating us when we r not down. This comes from alums and reasonable fans of these schools when discussing sec football.

I'm sure UF fans would trade in the winning feeling over the Vols from back in the 90s to these current wins. It's a lot sweeter for them when we are on top then not.
 
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It's a case by case basis for me. For instance, I pulled for UGA and SC today. I hope Florida gets hammered.
 
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dcgators said:
If you are so happy for the other SEC teams to lose, then please do not whine when you win the conference and are left out of the championship playoff because of lousy SOS/human poll ranking.

As for me, I will always root for other SEC teams when they are playing non-conference foes, even UGA or UT.

Go Gators and Go SEC !!! Oh and Happy New Year VolNation BTW...
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Bammers I know NEVER pull for any West team or UT. They were yelling for Clemson-----While I was pulling for LSU. Who knows.
 
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volgrad500 said:
I hope Notre Dame skull ***** Alabama, Sabin, and that god ****** elephant.
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I pull for all SEC teams except for Alabama. I agree... I hate Alabama with a passion and do not want to have to listen to any more bandwagon Bama fans yelling ''Roll Tide'' toothlessly...
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Yes, this is an excellent comparison to football...




...if you're a moron.
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Somehow I don't think it clicked for him. If the enemy of your enemy does some harm to your enemy, then he must be considered a friend---if only while the harm is being committed. Hard to get that?? Hmmm.
 
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We go over this every year. I know its a message board and opinions can and should be voiced, but people will never agree on this subject.

Makes it interesting I guess that we all think about it differently
 
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CountVolcula said:
SEC pride is akin to the ugly girl hanging out with the hot girls hoping to get some action
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FYP, and it usually works for them. :crazy:

JohnWardForever said:
Bammers I know NEVER pull for any West team or UT. They were yelling for Clemson-----While I was pulling for LSU. Who knows.
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Typical for them tater diggers! I pull for the VOLS first and foremost. Then I pull for the SEC. Thinking the other teams losing helps our recruiting makes no sense to me. If I was a recruit, I'm not thinking; Hmmm, LSU/GA/SC/MS lost in their BOWL game, or Alabama lost in the NC, I think I'll go to the VOLS who didn't go to a bowl game. Those teams losing just make us look "weaker" than we are. JMO
 
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If you wish there were 13 teams in the SEC that were perennial losers then:

1) WE wouldn't be part of the strongest conference in the USA.
2) WE wouldn't be recruiting players that we do.
3) WE wouldn't be going to ANY BCS bowls because our entire conference would suck and we probably wouldn't win ANY out of conference games (see the Big East).
4) WE probably should just leave the SEC and join the MAC and then you whiners would get what you want......a perfect in conference record every year, a suck bowl, and people telling us to STFU because we play in a weak sister conference.

The folks that pull against the SEC because they aren't US I just don't get.

Ignorance can be fixed but stoopid lasts forever.
 
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CountVolcula said:
SEC pride is akin to the ugly girl hanging out with the hot girls hoping to get some attention
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Your clunky metaphor would be correct, if you acknowledged that the ugly girl in the group of hot girls still gets hit on more than the ugly girl standing alone.
 
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I used to be all SEC and still am. But i think we've (as SEC teams) have proved our point, WE ARE THE BEST! I'm not gonna root for bama cuz!
 
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While I try to respect everyone's opinion, the philosophy that I see being articulated in threads such as these is actually disappointing on a much larger scale.

This idea that success comes from desiring your competition to fail is indicative of a much larger problem within our society. What meaning does success or a championship have if gaining it required no sacrifice or adversity? Winning a championship because your competition is terrible is akin to getting a trophy for participation. You showed up and were rewarded. Not only is that boring but it is totally meaningless.

Ask yourself why you want UT to be successful on the field, if the crystal ball had no meaning? It has meaning because it required winning against other teams who were capable or even superior.

Would beating Bama next year with Saban as coach have more meaning than Saban leaving, the program getting hit with NCAA sanctions and playing all walk on freshmen? The only victory of those two options is the first choice. The second is a consolation prize that looks like a victory.

I want UT to contend again as much as anyone else on this board, but I don't want it to happen by wanting our opponents to have their legs cut out from under them. I want it to happen by beating everyone at their prime.

To paraphrase what someone else astutely said: "do you want to be the heavyweight champion or the world, or be the toughest 35 year old man in the third grade?"

Meaningless victories will never be remembered. A championship is just a guarantee that you will be remembered for being the best for that singular moment in time. If you lower the standards to achieve that, others could claim the same title of champion.
 
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OrangeSquid said:
FYP, and it usually works for them. :crazy:

Typical for them tater diggers! I pull for the VOLS first and foremost. Then I pull for the SEC. Thinking the other teams losing helps our recruiting makes no sense to me. If I was a recruit, I'm not thinking; Hmmm, LSU/GA/SC/MS lost in their BOWL game, or Alabama lost in the NC, I think I'll go to the VOLS who didn't go to a bowl game. Those teams losing just make us look "weaker" than we are. JMO
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Very well articulated point.

Going to the NFL is the ultimate goal of most of the elite talent. The easiest path to the NFL is exposing that talent to the decision makers and building a resume. The match-ups that will get the most attention are the ones between the teams that are considered to be the best. When the SEC has the best teams, we get the most coverage, our players get the most exposure and get the best chance to go to the NFL.

This in turn allows the top tier of recruits to know that to get to the NFL along the shortest path, you have a better chance going through the SEC. Each SEC team can only take 25 or so players a year. So in turn, the better the SEC is, the more recruits will want to play in the SEC, each SEC school will be more likely to get more and better talent.

It is almost a mathematical certainty that the conference being the best across the board, helps all of the member schools with recruiting, money (to upgrade facilities to recruit) and exposure. I don't understand what is so difficult about that, except someone wants the easy quick feel good victory.

That is like taking a hit of heroine. For about 15 minutes you feel good, then you realize that nothing really happened or changed. Nobody respects a heroine addict.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Like I've said previously...though they hate us and want to beat us many rationtional (key word) Bama, UGA, LSU, uF fans would prefer for UT to be more competitive. They are use to it historically and they've realized that beating us while we r down isn't as much fun as beating us when we r not down. This comes from alums and reasonable fans of these schools when discussing sec football.

I'm sure UF fans would trade in the winning feeling over the Vols from back in the 90s to these current wins. It's a lot sweeter for them when we are on top then not.
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this.

plus, people really overestimate the "rivalry" from florida's point of view. most of the gator fans i know don't really care what tennessee does as long as florida beats tennessee and tennessee doesn't win the east.

i know that's how i feel. tennessee having a good season and doing well doesn't bother me in the slightest as long as florida beats them.

now, ask a gator fan about florida state or georgia and you get a different answer for a whole host of reasons.
 
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daj2576 said:
While I try to respect everyone's opinion, the philosophy that I see being articulated in threads such as these is actually disappointing on a much larger scale.

This idea that success comes from desiring your competition to fail is indicative of a much larger problem within our society. What meaning does success or a championship have if gaining it required no sacrifice or adversity? Winning a championship because your competition is terrible is akin to getting a trophy for participation. You showed up and were rewarded. Not only is that boring but it is totally meaningless.

Ask yourself why you want UT to be successful on the field, if the crystal ball had no meaning? It has meaning because it required winning against other teams who were capable or even superior.

Would beating Bama next year with Saban as coach have more meaning than Saban leaving, the program getting hit with NCAA sanctions and playing all walk on freshmen? The only victory of those two options is the first choice. The second is a consolation prize that looks like a victory.

I want UT to contend again as much as anyone else on this board, but I don't want it to happen by wanting our opponents to have their legs cut out from under them. I want it to happen by beating everyone at their prime.

To paraphrase what someone else astutely said: "do you want to be the heavyweight champion or the world, or be the toughest 35 year old man in the third grade?"

Meaningless victories will never be remembered. A championship is just a guarantee that you will be remembered for being the best for that singular moment in time. If you lower the standards to achieve that, others could claim the same title of champion.
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I don't give two ****s whose coaching Bama when we beat them as long as we beat them

In a military situation, you don't arm your enemy so that you feel better about when you beat them
 
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CountVolcula said:
I don't give two ****s whose coaching Bama when we beat them as long as we beat them

In a military situation, you don't arm your enemy so that you feel better about when you beat them
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I really dislike comparing a game to a "military situation" but I will hesitantly use your example.

While I agree that you certainly wouldn't arm your competition, surely you would agree that you shouldn't engage a modern day infantry platoon with a group of unarmed civilians? There is no honor in killing women and children, right?

Anyway...

Why does it even matter who you play if the point is to simply win, and not win over capable competition? Why not just move to Big East, or Division II (or whatever it is called now) just to get a bunch of hollow paper wins?


And if you don't think that playing better competition helps recruitment, then why is it so hard for a school that is having success, such as Louisville or Cincinnati, to pull top tier recruits out of the SEC, even from a down SEC school like UT?
 
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