The eternal QB debate (merged)

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TennesseeT said:
If he plays NS and NS looks serviceable and could be expected to improve with another year in the system then the offer now doesn't pack the same punch and the kid will most likely stay at his committed school and battle competition there since that's the place he obviously likes better anyway.
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So what's the difference? You cannot expect a true freshmen qb to come in and be anything more than "servicable." If Nick can step in and do the same thing or be slightly better as a senior, why not just roll with Nick as a senior and then pickup a hot 2011 qb prospect? Everyone is saying it's a down year for qb's this year anyway. Also, you're assuming that Bray or any other qb will be able step right in and assume the qb position. What if Nick actually beats them out for the spot next year? What will you say then?

The thing that's confusing to me is that people really think Kiffin is essentially sacrificing this season in the hopes of landing a qb prospect. I do not agree with that philososphy, nor do I believe that is what is actually going on. I think it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory and to be honest, absurd.

The 2 things that I believe are...

1.) Kiffiin wants to win as badly as anyone. In his eyes, Crompton gives us the best chance to do so right now. If he truly felt Nick would give us a better chance, Nick would be starting.

2.) Kiffin said from the get go that he would not switch qb's. So far he has stuck with his word and I believe he will continue to do so. To my knowledge, Kiffin has done everything he said he was going to do when he stepped on campus. I have no reason to doubt him now.
 
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TennesseeT said:
You're missing the point a little I think. It's not the mentality is the situation. UT only has 1 QB recruit and needs more. Everyone else is committed elsewhere pretty much and will have some type of competition at their respective schools. If Kiffin hopes to sway any of the big names then IMMEDIATE playing time or IMMEDIATE STARTING position at UT is definately an amazing bonus be able to offer and his only chance at switching a kid that is committed elsewhere. He can basically say "We have NOBODY else, You're the man as soon as you sign!

If he plays NS and NS looks serviceable and could be expected to improve with another year in the system then the offer now doesn't pack the same punch and the kid will most likely stay at his committed school and battle competition there since that's the place he obviously likes better anyway.
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The fact that we already have Bray committed is about 50 times more important to any top QB thinking about switching to UT than the fact that Stephens would have one year left.

This is as wide-open a situation as any incoming freshman QB is ever likely to find at any football program in the country. The only time it's ever been more wide-open than this is when Marshall's entire team was killed in a plane crash.
 
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TennesseeT said:
You move on all you want to. Crompton makes one bone head play every 3-4 downs. Consistently stares down receivers and then still misses them with the ball. He hardly ever sees wide-open receivers as he prepares to throw his ball into triple coverage. He can't run, he fumbles, he throws so many damn interceptions that it's no longer surprising or even annoying, it's UT's version of the punt.

Now the point is, with such a sorry excuse for a QB, is there not something or someone else that should be given a chance. I think so! Put Jones back there, put Richardson back there, try Stephens (although it's really too late now. That should have been done last game) or Lamaison. Anything, ANYTHING is better than the guy that is back there. And yes I think Kiffin has some demented bass ackwards reason for not trying.

Don't worry when the Vols drop these next four, specifically due to poor QB play, there's not a soul on here that won't be calling for Crompdaddy's butt to be on the sideline!

I hope I'm wrong but I actually have watched the guy play the last two years. Coaches are game planning as if Crompton is their 12th man! How pathetic is that?
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Missed it completely. I don't like our QB situation at all, neither do many on this board. However, a bunch of *****ing on the interwebs by a bunch of hacks isn't going to change Kiffin's mind. Another loss or two may though.

Yes, I also agree with boobies.
 
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To everyone on this board.. .please forgive the length of this post.

To Vol423... if you can read and comprehend... please...

SpaceCoastVol said:
I'll give you a little credit here. The fumble/sack occurred because he was trying to make a play. Maybe a little bad judgement.. agreed, but give him a little credit. But since you are so quick to condemn that particular play, why are you not asking coach O where the blocking was? 3 guys hit him there. The sack that took us out of FG range... good grief... cut the man a little slack. the O line.. again.. opened like the Red Sea. What else could he have done? Busted play... crap happens.. .put away your microscope for a minute, and look at the game as a whole... (please.. without the "but it was Ohio").. and notice that his passes were actually pretty good. If he has to stare down a receiver, then so be it. I will never say he is an NFL caliber QB.. but if he and coach K can identify his strengths and weaknesses.. and scheme for them.. what's the problem? GO VOLS... all of 'em
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Vol423 said:
His passes were not pretty good. He had one interception. He hit defensive players squarely in the numbers on two other plays, but they dropped them. He missed high on a number of passes, including a wide open receiver on a deep pass that would have scored a touchdown. He also threw behind receivers on a couple of occasions. Finally, he had the fumble that would have placed a game against OHIO in doubt in the fourth quarter were it not for Ohio's player being an absolute moron. Those of you that claim that Crompton played well are either delusional or legally blind.
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One question: Was that interception Crompton's fault? If you answer yes to that, you must also condemn the center since he started the play, and is therefore partially culpable. But, in one respect I agree.. his passing accuracy is less than desirable. Is that a good enough reason to stop throwing the ball? Oh, that's right.. we have a guy on the bench that has a much higher rating. How can Coach K be so utterly blind? And again... nice insult of the opposing player... moron?? really???? Have you ever played the game other than Madden? Didn't think so.

Vol423 said:
The problem is that Crompton has few if any strengths and he has many weaknesses the greatest of which is the empty void between his ears.
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Nice insult of a 22 year old that is doing more than you will probably ever do. And you basically call him brainless. Classy bro. He has more orange in his blood than you will ever have. Are you sure you aren't typing from gainesville?

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Vol423 said:
At least in the locker room? :eek:lol:How exactly is Crompton being a good team leader in the locker room? What's our team's record in the locker room, and can we throw a pass further than 10 yards in the locker room without it being intercepted?
He's a good leader in the locker room. That's classic stuff right there.
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Vol423 said:
Since Stephens' QB rating was higher than Crompton's last year, and Stephens' QB rating is MUCH higher than Crompton's QB rating this year, I'm just trying to figure out exactly who you think UT's "only other option" is.
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Vol423 said:
Stephens has played in two seasons. He played a lot more last year than this year (so far). Both last year and this year Stephen's QB rating is higher than Crompton's. The person to which I was responding said that Crompton had a higher QB rating. That is not true.
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I grouped these 3 quotes of yours together to illustrate the vitriol towards Crompton that you clearly exhibit, and your classic armchair cluelessness wrt actually playing the game (or understanding actually leading or belonging to any team whatsoever.) You poo poo JC's leadership in the locker room as being worthless. And you go on to praise Nick's passer rating... a metric that was devised by a bunch of other armchair coaches to somehow measure a player's worth. Have you ever wondered why a MLB batting average is not considered until the player has reached 50 ABs? Didn't think so. And... you have absolutely no comprehension of leadership. Join the military and come back here after a tour. I would LOVE to see the difference. But by all means.. let's base our starter on some nebulous ranking by CBS sports... woooo we can fire Kiffin and staff, and hold a web poll as to the play we could run. Imagine the money UT could save. Priceless

Vol423 said:
No doubt. As you once again try to put words in my mouth, I don't find it difficult at all to believe that you're not quick enough to pick up on the irony.
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Lastly, YOU are the only poster on here that has been insulting, called names and resorted to juvenile banter to try to get your point across. So.. with that in mind, I think the recess bell is ringing so I think its time for 5th grade Tennessee history. Please try to learn something.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
To SpaceCoastVol
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Reading comprehension most definitely is NOT your strong suit. Nowhere have I "praised Nick's passer rating." A previous poster stated that "our only other option" at QB has a lower lifetime passer rating than Crompton. I posted FACTS (things that Crompton supporters like to ignore) to point out that this poster was incorrect. Nothing more.

In addition, not one time have I stated that we should abandon the pass and just run. In fact, I argue just the opposite. With Crompton at QB, we are incapable of throwing downfield. As a result, defenses pull eight and nine players into the box to stuff our run. We have to get our passing game going, and Crompton is not the answer, as he has proved over and over again.

As I've stated before, UT has many problems with this team. However, the largest problem takes snaps from the center, and he should be replaced as the starter.
 
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rowsdower said:
Here for the boobies.
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Just reminded of a movie quote. "I'm here for the gangbang"
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Vol423 said:
Reading comprehension most definitely is NOT your strong suit. Nowhere have I "praised Nick's passer rating." A previous poster stated that "our only other option" at QB has a lower lifetime passer rating than Crompton. I posted FACTS (things that Crompton supporters like to ignore) to point out that this poster was incorrect. Nothing more.

In addition, not one time have I stated that we should abandon the pass and just run. In fact, I argue just the opposite. With Crompton at QB, we are incapable of throwing downfield. As a result, defenses pull eight and nine players into the box to stuff our run. We have to get our passing game going, and Crompton is not the answer, as he has proved over and over again.

As I've stated before, UT has many problems with this team. However, the largest problem takes snaps from the center, and he should be replaced as the starter.
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Good grief... you win. All hail Vol423.
 
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Vol423 said:
Stephens has played in two seasons. He played a lot more last year than this year (so far). Both last year and this year Stephen's QB rating is higher than Crompton's. The person to which I was responding said that Crompton had a higher QB rating. That is not true.
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perhaps you should read what you wrote

Vol423 said:
and Stephens' QB rating is MUCH higher than Crompton's QB rating this year,
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Actually, I don't agree: Stephens missed most of not all of spring practice with a broken wrist, which obviously set him back a lot and effectively made Crompton the starter. With our receiver situation (many injuries, freshmen, etc)--and Kiffin has just mentioned this--it was not possible to give both guys equal reps in August. Had Stephens gone through Spring healthy and not gotten the job, then yea, there is no dispute. But he didn't.
 
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Seriously why is the fact that Crompton is 22 years old a reason the Cromptonites give us that we can't insult his utter lack of skill at the QB position? He sucks period. It wouldn't make a difference if he was 12 or 42, with the stats that he has posted over the last year and a half is proof that he stinks.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Seriously why is the fact that Crompton is 22 years old a reason the Cromptonites give us that we can't insult his utter lack of skill at the QB position? He sucks period. It wouldn't make a difference if he was 12 or 42, with the stats that he has posted over the last year and a half is proof that he stinks.
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Perhaps for the same reason that the Crompton bashers are insulting the 22 year old and asking why he is playing, when that decision belongs to CLK. If you want to complain about why he is in the game, then any insults (or preferably questions as I can do without all the negative Vol talk) should be directed at the head coach and not the player.
 
#1,322
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Last year: Fulmerites
This year: Cromptonites
Coming soon, maybe: Kiffinites :ermm:

Carry on... :neener2:
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Seriously why is the fact that Crompton is 22 years old a reason the Cromptonites give us that we can't insult his utter lack of skill at the QB position? He sucks period. It wouldn't make a difference if he was 12 or 42, with the stats that he has posted over the last year and a half is proof that he stinks.
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If it makes you feel better to insult the kid.. knock yourself out. It's counterproductive and juvenile though, but whatever floats your boat. Do you have any idea how really stupid it looks? It's like yelling at the ump from the upper deck that "He missed the tag!" (10 points if you know the reference) Civil debate about UT football is one thing, but insults like "Crompton just plain sucks" is... well... retarded. Carry on.
 
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