The general USC debate thread (merged)

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TNvol86 said:
1) I completely understand why USC would claim a title for 2003. 2) I also understand why Auburn would claim one for 2004....
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1) They don't claim 1, they were awarded 1.

2) Who awarded Auburn a Championship in 2004? I thought they finished 2nd in the poles.

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TNvol86 said:
I completely understand why USC would claim a title for 2003. I also understand why Auburn would claim one for 2004. I really could understand why any undefeated team would claim one, since our system is broken and they weren't even given a chance to prove themselves. And really, if someone is willing to call you a National Champion, you take it.

But LSU was the real 2003 champion, and they won it on the field... not on ballot.
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Isn't the BCS trophy awarded based upon the Coaches Poll? Isn't the poll a "Ballot"?
 
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TNvol86 said:
I completely understand why USC would claim a title for 2003. I also understand why Auburn would claim one for 2004. I really could understand why any undefeated team would claim one, since our system is broken and they weren't even given a chance to prove themselves. And really, if someone is willing to call you a National Champion, you take it.

But LSU was the real 2003 champion, and they won it on the field... not on ballot.
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USC finished the regular season ranked #1 by the AP, Coaches and FWAA polls. The computers put Oklahoma in the national title game against LSU even though the Sooners were ranked #3 by everybody, and this was after KState mauled them 35-7 in the Big XII CG.

Although the BCS never came out and admitted it, their actions basically said that leaving USC out of the national title game was an egregious error when they completely restructured the way in which they pick the top two teams.

'03 was the biggest example of why the BCS is a total failure (though examples happen nearly every year).
 
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The computer rankings completely made the human polls irrelevant. Still the worst BCS screw up to this day.
 
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hatvol96 said:
LSU got to play a de facto home game against a team with a one legged QB that year in the BCS title game and still only won by a touchdown. The computers saved their asses. Anyone with an IQ above 30 who saw either of those teams has no doubt who was better.
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I agree that USC was better, but to be fair, the Trojans played a de facto home game as well, and their win wasn't all that impressive, either.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The computer rankings completely made the human polls irrelevant. Still the worst BCS screw up to this day.
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Under that particular format I had no problem with Oklahoma getting in. The biggest screw up was Nebraska getting in the title game in 01
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Under that particular format I had no problem with Oklahoma getting in. The biggest screw up was Nebraska getting in the title game in 01
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I disagree. The computer polls completely overruled the human polls and what everyone else in the country clearly saw on the field. Nebraska's situation was bad, but just about every team screwed it up at the end. It wouldn't have mattered. Miami would have curb stomped anyone they played.
 
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milohimself said:
Over the last few? Sure. Over the last decade? Florida had Zook for some of those years. :p

And they can only play who's on the schedule. As somebody pointed out, they did play some decent SEC competition and won those games. Beat Auburn two years in a row who went on to go a respectable 5-3 in SEC play both years, then VaTech in '04 who went on to win the ACC, then pummeled the hell out of Arkansas in '05 then again in '06 when they won the SEC West. Sure, they got Illinois in the Rose Bowl one year. But CPC also got marquee names on the non-con schedule nearly every year and won, in addition to taking home the conference title and BCS win. The one year they didn't happened to be at the hands of one of the greatest individual performances in the history of the game.

I have a feeling they will continue right on course under Kiffin. It might be different if Chip Kelly can right the ship at Oregon, but it looks like he's going to run things a little too fast and loose. USC, on the other hand, can keep the talent rolling in (you all know damn well that CLK will keep the talent rolling in) and be at the top. Their worst case scenario is that Monte's old bones finally retires and they're not that great at X's and O's. They'll still be out-talenting their way to at least shares of the conference title and usual Rose Bowl berths much more often than not.
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They can't win or recruit on probation. Monte will shut down everyone who doesn't run a spread offense. Too bad nearly every team in the Pac-10 runs a spread offense.
 
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Vols033 said:
They can't win or recruit on probation. Monte will shut down everyone who doesn't run a spread offense. Too bad nearly every team in the Pac-10 runs a spread offense.
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Pretty sure Oregon is really the only team that runs a spread.
 
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Vols033 said:
They can't win or recruit on probation. Monte will shut down everyone who doesn't run a spread offense. Too bad nearly every team in the Pac-10 runs a spread offense.
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You'll see how much better Monte does against the spread when he has more talent and depth on his defense.
 
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If Tennessee won an AP national championship and didn't play in the BCS title game, would we say, "Well, good year guys, wish we were the real champs."
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Pretty sure Oregon is really the only team that runs a spread.
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Arizona runs a spread, I believe WSU runs one too, and ASU is implementing a spread. of course there are different types of spread offenses. Cal, OSU, UW (to some degree), UCLA, USC, and Stanford all run pro style.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You'll see how much better Monte does against the spread when he has more talent and depth on his defense.
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Yes we will, like when Florida didn't have to punt but once all game, like when Auburn ran all over us, like when UAB ran up and down the field on us, like when Bama dominated us for 57 minutes of the game till we got 2 lucky breaks. I know Monte's a great coach. Too bad Oregon will drop 500 yards of offense on the Trojans next year, guaranteed.
 
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droski said:
Arizona runs a spread, I believe WSU runs one too, and ASU is implementing a spread. of course there are different types of spread offenses. Cal, OSU, UW (to some degree), UCLA, USC, and Stanford all run pro style.
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UCLA is implementing the spread this off season. Neuheisel kniows his enemies well.
 
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droski said:
Arizona runs a spread, I believe WSU runs one too, and ASU is implementing a spread. of course there are different types of spread offenses. Cal, OSU, UW (to some degree), UCLA, USC, and Stanford all run pro style.
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Didn't know Zona ran one and that ASU was implementing one. My mistake.
 
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Vols033 said:
Yes we will, like when Florida didn't have to punt but once all game, like when Auburn ran all over us, like when UAB ran up and down the field on us, like when Bama dominated us for 57 minutes of the game till we got 2 lucky breaks. I know Monte's a great coach. Too bad Oregon will drop 500 yards of offense on the Trojans next year, guaranteed.
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So you are saying that Tenn. is as talented and has as much depth as SC?
 
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Vols033 said:
UCLA is implementing the spread this off season. Neuheisel kniows his enemies well.
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actually he is implementing a warp speed offense for a portion of the plays, but they will still be a pro style team.

since oregon state runs a pro style and has had immoble qbs and probably has the best success against USC of any pac-10 team i'm not sure it can really be argued that the spread is what kills SC.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
So you are saying that Tenn. is as talented and has as much depth as SC?
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Our starters last year weren't bad at all. Actually judging by the NFL scouts, they were very good. Florida absolutely dominated us last year. I know everyone will say 23-13, but face the facts, Florida punted once. If Tebow doesn't fumble going in in the 4th quarter we are down 30-6 again for the second year in a row. And that was with a very average Florida offense. Besides, we won't have to worry about USC's talent level after the NCAA lowers the boom on them.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Pretty sure Oregon is really the only team that runs a spread.
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Don't confuse spread with spread option. Oregon runs (ran) a spread option. Who knows what they'll do now that Masoli is out.

Stanford, under David Shaw, runs a West Coast/Pro-Style. Basically... they run what they can based on what they have. Now that it's just Luck and they don't have Gerhardt anymore... I'd expect more WC looks as Luck will probably have to carry that offense.
 
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