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[1vol8]

Read the piece I posted. The interim police chief fired Det. Hankison for "blindly" firing 10 rounds into Taylor's apartment. Not one. Hankison was actually brought up on charges.

Are you a LEO, former LEO, or related to LEOs? Is that why you're attempting the blue wall? Cops are human and make mistakes too. In this case, they made a deadly mistake. There is no excusing it IMO.

I hadn’t read what you posted yet because it wouldn’t load. I’ll try again. And at one time yes I was a certified police officer. I know many LEOs and was well trained in the field. I’m blue in most cases because I don’t think many people truly put themselves in their shoes. Cops have become public enemy #1 due to the media giving half a story which causes the divide we’re seeing today. It’s the other half of those same stories that would save innocent people from being murdered in the street in a riot.

 

[1vol8]

None of his shots hit Breonna Taylor.

Ok. I get that. They said 20 shots fired and if that’s the case it adds up. Maybe he freaked out. A basic human response to such a high stress situation. He deserved to be fired.

 

[Weezer]

I hadn’t read what you posted yet because it wouldn’t load. I’ll try again. And at one time yes I was a certified police officer. I know many LEOs and was well trained in the field. I’m blue in most cases because I don’t think many people truly put themselves in their shoes. Cops have become public enemy #1 due to the media giving half a story which causes the divide we’re seeing today. It’s the other half of those same stories that would save innocent people from being murdered in the street in a riot.

Figured as much. I'm all for being fair to police officers. They have a tough job. That doesn't put them above the law. They are still human, and they make mistakes. In the Breonna Taylor case, mistakes were made. An Innocent woman was killed in her own home when she shouldn't have been.

 

[1vol8]

Now you're being intentionally dense. You act as if police can't make mistakes. In this case, they clearly did. The information is there if you're willing to read up on the facts of the case and ignore the narratives some are trying to tell (on both sides).

I’m not being intentionally dense. I’m trying to get you to understand that the apartment was their interest. Not him because they already had him. I’ll read what you posted. If I’m wrong I’ll apologize. But I’ve already admitted she’s probably the most “innocent” of all the recent headlines. That being said, one mistake isn’t worth the damage the riots caused and the lives intentionally taken by BLM. It’s just simply unfortunate.

 

[1vol8]

Figured as much. I'm all for being fair to police officers. They have a tough job. That doesn't put them above the law. They are still human, and they make mistakes. In the Breonna Taylor case, mistakes were made. An Innocent woman was killed in her own home when she shouldn't have been.

And I very seriously doubt she would have been if her BF hadn’t fired at the officers. You know, all facts of the case aside. Where are the people blaming her BF for her death? Nowhere to be found. It’s all the cops fault for RETURNING fire. And that’s my problem.

 

[Weezer]

I’m not being intentionally dense. I’m trying to get you to understand that the apartment was their interest. Not him because they already had him. I’ll read what you posted. If I’m wrong I’ll apologize. But I’ve already admitted she’s probably the most “innocent” of all the recent headlines. That being said, one mistake isn’t worth the damage the riots caused and the lives intentionally taken by BLM. It’s just simply unfortunate.

Read both articles I posted, all the way through. Both lay out a fair depiction of what likely happened IMO. I only use the word "likely" because none of us were there. It reads as accurate to me. The police may have thought Taylor was part of the drug operation as their target had dated her and received packages there, but she was not. No drugs were found in her apartment. The target said she didn't play a role in his drug operations. She was innocent.

 

[Weezer]

And I very seriously doubt she would have been if her BF hadn’t fired at the officers. You know, all facts of the case aside. Where are the people blaming her BF for her death? Nowhere to be found. It’s all the cops fault for RETURNING fire. And that’s my problem.

If someone busted down your door in the middle of the night and you had no idea who it was, what would you do? Damn right I'd open fire to protect my loved ones. That's why no one blames him.

 

[clarksvol00]

And I very seriously doubt she would have been if her BF hadn’t fired at the officers. You know, all facts of the case aside. Where are the people blaming her BF for her death? Nowhere to be found. It’s all the cops fault for RETURNING fire. And that’s my problem.

I keep coming back to the fact that there is a dispute as to whether they heard the police announce entry. If somebody rolls into my house with no reason in the middle of the night, I'm not planning on firing a shot, but I could legitimately do so.

 

[Weezer]

I keep coming back to the fact that there is a dispute as to whether they heard the police announce entry. If somebody rolls into my house with no reason in the middle of the night, I'm not planning on firing a shot, but I could legitimately do so.

Even witness statements conflict. Original witness statements say they didn't hear police announce. The BF says he and Taylor both yelled loudly asking who it was at the door with no response. Apparently one witness changed his/her statement to say they did hear police announce. My personal suspicion is they didn't announce, but I don't know that to be fact.

 

[1vol8]

Read both articles I posted, all the way through. Both lay out a fair depiction of what likely happened IMO. I only use the word "likely" because none of us were there. It reads as accurate to me. The police may have thought Taylor was part of the drug operation as their target had dated her and received packages there, but she was not. No drugs were found in her apartment. The target said she didn't play a role in his drug operations. She was innocent.

I just read the first one. The interest was indeed her apartment and not Glover. Because he used her apartment to stash things. So the goal was additional evidence. That’s why they had and carried out the warrant. I’ll read the other one too

 

[Weezer]

I understand law enforcement is a stressful job, but they don't deserve a free pass when they screw up. And sometimes they screw up.

 

[1vol8]

If someone busted down your door in the middle of the night and you had no idea who it was, what would you do? Damn right I'd open fire to protect my loved ones. That's why no one blames him.

But there’s conflicting reports from neighbors claiming they did and did not announce themselves. Who knows?

 

[Weezer]

I just read the first one. The interest was indeed her apartment and not Glover. Because he used her apartment to stash things. So the goal was additional evidence. That’s why they had and carried out the warrant. I’ll read the other one too

No, they suspected that he used her place as a stash house. A search found nothing, so they were wrong. This is where your past as a LEO gets in the way of you seeing the police messed up.

 

[1vol8]

I keep coming back to the fact that there is a dispute as to whether they heard the police announce entry. If somebody rolls into my house with no reason in the middle of the night, I'm not planning on firing a shot, but I could legitimately do so.

You’re right. I would too and maybe that’s true in this case. But who to blame her death on hinges on that one fact. Did they or did they not announce? Who knows? Because there’s conflicting reports to both sides.

 

[1vol8]

No, they suspected that he used her place as a stash house. A search found nothing, so they were wrong. This is where your past as a LEO gets in the way of you seeing the police messed up.

Actually this is where i believe it’s possible that they DID announce and that’s why they may not have gotten to the door before it came off the hinges. Is it not possible that they could’ve been flushing evidence when they heard “POLICE! OPEN THE DOOR!”. It stated in the article that they were known to flush evidence and that’s why they got the “no knock”.

 

[Weezer]

You’re right. I would too and maybe that’s true in this case. But who to blame her death on hinges on that one fact. Did they or did they not announce? Who knows? Because there’s conflicting reports to both sides.

Something else to consider. The BF fired one shot. The police fired 32 shots. If I had to guess, and yes, this is a guess, not fact, the BF's one shot hit one of the detectives at which point all 3 got enraged. Everyone knows you don't shoot a cop. The fact they fired 32 times, and that one of them didn't even bother to aim his shots, suggests rage to me. All of it comes back to it being the fault of the police IMO.

 

[Weezer]

Actually this is where i believe it’s possible that they DID announce and that’s why they may not have gotten to the door before it came off the hinges. Is it not possible that they could’ve been flushing evidence when they heard “POLICE! OPEN THE DOOR!”. It stated in the article that they were known to flush evidence and that’s why they got the “no knock”.

lmao You're reaching. They had no time to flush evidence. It's far more likely they were yelling "Who is it" when the police busted down the door. Neither Taylor or her BF had any past drug convictions. NONE. But now you think they're suddenly holding dope for a dealer?? That's trying to rationalize the police action. The police screwed up.

 

[1vol8]

Something else to consider. The BF fired one shot. The police fired 32 shots. If I had to guess, and yes, this is a guess, not fact, the BF's one shot hit one of the detectives at which point all 3 got enraged. Everyone knows you don't shoot a cop. The fact they fired 32 times, and that one of them didn't even bother to aim his shots, suggests rage to me. All of it comes back to it being the fault of the police IMO.

That I somewhat agree with. But I don’t agree with the word “rage”. It’s more likely “panic”. Like I said earlier, it’s hard to judge a man if you yourself have never been in a gunfight or similar stressful situation. Your body will do unexpected chit that you would never of thought possible. You could be a hard core type and actually run away crying or vise versa be a lifetime scaredy-cat and stand your ground. You simply don’t know until you’re there. I’d say he panicked.

 

[Weezer]

That I somewhat agree with. But I don’t agree with the word “rage”. It’s more likely “panic”. Like I said earlier, it’s hard to judge a man if you yourself have never been in a gunfight or similar stressful situation. Your body will do unexpected chit that you would never of thought possible. You could be a hard core type and actually run away crying or vise versa be a lifetime scaredy-cat and stand your ground. You simply don’t know until you’re there. I’d say he panicked.

If you believe he "panicked" then you also believe he failed to do his job properly. The reasons why do not matter. The police screwed up.

 

[1vol8]

lmao You're reaching. They had no time to flush evidence. It's far more likely they were yelling "Who is it" when the police busted down the door. Neither Taylor or her BF had any past drug convictions. NONE. But now you think they're suddenly holding dope for a dealer?? That's trying to rationalize the police action. The police screwed up.

Not reaching. It’s possible. Thing is we don’t actually “know” one way or the other. That’s why I’m saying it’s possible. In the article it said her current BF had been dating her for years. But within that time it’s known she was dating the dealer as well. Just because they had split up or she was seeing them both doesn’t mean that Glover didn’t still use her apartment as a stash house. Dating or not being a stash house still brings in money. Which would make it easy to see the possibility that they could’ve been flushing. I’ll admit I came into this conversation 75/25 that she wasn’t completely innocent. Now I’m 50/50 but she still wasn’t the angel the media portrayed her to be.

 

[1vol8]

If you believe he "panicked" then you also believe he failed to do his job properly. The reasons why do not matter. The police screwed up.

I do agree he failed individually. But I don’t agree that the police shouldn’t have returned fire. They were legally there and got fired upon. Whether they announced or not is actually irrelevant anyway because it was a “no knock”. Do I believe no knocks should be illegal? No. Because the element of surprise could mean the difference in someone not going home that night. Of course this case is a bad example of that because the officer himself could’ve easily been killed but there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. Stories exist supporting both sides of the argument.

In this case it’s important only because she unfortunately got killed herself as a result of her BFs actions.

 

[Weezer]

I do agree he failed individually. But I don’t agree that the police shouldn’t have returned fire. They were legally there and got fired upon. Whether they announced or not is actually irrelevant anyway because it was a “no knock”. Do I believe no knocks should be illegal? No. Because the element of surprise could mean the difference in someone not going home that night. Of course this case is a bad example of that because the officer himself could’ve easily been killed but there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. Stories exist supporting both sides of the argument.

In this case it’s important only because she unfortunately got killed herself as a result of her BFs actions.

Turns out they weren't "legally" there since falsified information was used to obtain the search warrant.

Joshua Jaynes: Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired (msn.com)

 

[1vol8]

Bottom line is simple. If the police announced, the BF knew he was taking aim at police. There are neighbors that claim they heard them announce. Which makes him guilty of her death.

If they didn’t announce, the BF didn’t know who was coming through the door and was well within his rights. There are neighbors that claim they didn’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that they we’re legally there and serving a no knock. In that case the police did what they were trained to do and returned fire. Justice was served by the firing of the officer that endangered innocent people.

 

[1vol8]

Turns out they weren't "legally" there since falsified information was used to obtain the search warrant.

Joshua Jaynes: Second Louisville police officer involved in Breonna Taylor investigation will be fired (msn.com)

If that’s true he was likely brought up on charges and rightfully so.

 

[Weezer]

I actually understand and agree to a certain degree with the return fire argument, My only problem with that is the BF fired once and the officers fired 32 times. Seems excessive to me. Why not return a few warning shots, then identify, or re-identify if you want to believe they identified before entering which I don't, yourselves as police? Part of being in authority is using it wisely, and not abusing it.