The George Floyd Monument

[Weezer]

If that’s true he was likely brought up on charges and rightfully so.

He was fired.

 

[Weezer]

Bottom line is simple. If the police announced, the BF knew he was taking aim at police. There are neighbors that claim they heard them announce. Which makes him guilty of her death.

If they didn’t announce, the BF didn’t know who was coming through the door and was well within his rights. There are neighbors that claim they didn’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that they we’re legally there and serving a no knock. In that case the police did what they were trained to do and returned fire. Justice was served by the firing of the officer that endangered innocent people.

From what I've read on the case, only one witness has said that police identified themselves, and this is after previously saying they didn't. He changed his story. I'm open to hearing if there was more than that one witness who changed his original statement.

 

[Weezer]

From what I've read on the case, only one witness has said that police identified themselves, and this is after previously saying they didn't. He changed his story. I'm open to hearing if there was more than that one witness who changed his original statement.

Also, the fact that the BF was absolved of all charges, even shooting a police officer, speaks volumes to me. Yes, some will argue it was done to appease the public. But IMO, if there weren't so many holes in the police's story, the DA wouldn't hesitate to charge him.

 

[1vol8]

I actually understand and agree to a certain degree with the return fire argument, My only problem with that is the BF fired once and the officers fired 32 times. Seems excessive to me. Why not return a few warning shots, then identify, or re-identify if you want to believe they identified before entering which I don't, yourselves as police? Part of being in authority is using it wisely, and not abusing it.

I can assure you that once they hit that door they were identifying as they were coming through. Once fired upon, there is no more negotiating. There is no such thing as “shoot to wound” like you see in the movies. Once shots are fired the only way out is a body bag or surrender. Sounds harsh but that’s the way it is.

I’ve always said that the quickest way to get people to understand police is send them through the academy. At the end there will be a new respect because you learn why things are the way they are.

 

[1vol8]

From what I've read on the case, only one witness has said that police identified themselves, and this is after previously saying they didn't. He changed his story. I'm open to hearing if there was more than that one witness who changed his original statement.

That’s just it. Well never know any more than we already do because this case has died and given way to “new” cases that highlight false narratives.

 

[1vol8]

He was fired.

Old article isn’t it?

 

[Weezer]

I can assure you that once they hit that door they were identifying as they were coming through. Once fired upon, there is no more negotiating. There is no such thing as “shoot to wound” like you see in the movies. Once shots are fired the only way out is a body bag or surrender. Sounds harsh but that’s the way it is.

I’ve always said that the quickest way to get people to understand police is send them through the academy. At the end there will be a new respect because you learn why things are the way they are.

You can't assure me of that. You weren't there. You weren't a witness. What you're assuring me is what you feel you would have done in that situation. These officers aren't you. Overall witness statements do not support them identifying themselves.

One thing I cannot understand, why are police so against weeding out the cops who do it wrong? You shouldn't want them in your ranks, representing you, if they don't do the job the right way.

 

[Weezer]

Old article isn’t it?

He was fired, now he's fighting his termination. Google him.

 

[Weezer]

I have a feeling no matter how much information I provide, you're going to continue to defend the police, simply because you were one. Blue Wall. That's part of the problem. You can't fix what's wrong if the police themselves refuse to address it.

 

[1vol8]

Also, the fact that the BF was absolved of all charges, even shooting a police officer, speaks volumes to me. Yes, some will argue it was done to appease the public. But IMO, if there weren't so many holes in the police's story, the DA wouldn't hesitate to charge him.

Idk man. I have a hard time believing that Chauvin deserved 3rd degree “murder”. I’m convinced he got “murder” charges simply because that’s what the mob wanted and he was the fall guy. What he did was a classic case of manslaughter. The difference in manslaughter vs 3rd degree is slight but manslaughter is a complete accident without intentionally hurting someone. But manslaughter wouldn’t have been good enough to keep from rioting. I said during the riots that he’d get murder charges if the system bowed down and that’s exactly what happened.

 

[1vol8]

You can't assure me of that. You weren't there. You weren't a witness. What you're assuring me is what you feel you would have done in that situation. These officers aren't you. Overall witness statements do not support them identifying themselves.

One thing I cannot understand, why are police so against weeding out the cops who do it wrong? You shouldn't want them in your ranks, representing you, if they don't do the job the right way.

Because we all make mistakes and most learn from them.

 

[Weezer]

Idk man. I have a hard time believing that Chauvin deserved 3rd degree “murder”. I’m convinced he got “murder” charges simply because that’s what the mob wanted and he was the fall guy. What he did was a classic case of manslaughter. The difference in manslaughter vs 3rd degree is slight but manslaughter is a complete accident without intentionally hurting someone. But manslaughter wouldn’t have been good enough to keep from rioting. I said during the riots that he’d get murder charges if the system bowed down and that’s exactly what happened.

I can understand the 3rd degree charge far more than I can the 2nd degree charge he was convicted of. I've spoke on this before. Chauvin was overcharged. I think there's a fair argument between manslaughter and 3rd degree, but 2nd degree was a reach. The problem is the jury convicted, and that's all that really matters.

 

[Weezer]

Because we all make mistakes and most learn from them.

But you don't get to take a life like that and claim it as a "learning experience". At least you shouldn't. The real problem is the no-knock warrant. Nothing you say will convince me it should be legal. It's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

 

[1vol8]

I have a feeling no matter how much information I provide, you're going to continue to defend the police, simply because you were one. Blue Wall. That's part of the problem. You can't fix what's wrong if the police themselves refuse to address it.

Absolutely not true. No way you’ll ever see me defend injustice. Rodney King? Those officers were a disgrace. George Zimmerman? Piece of chit wanna be cop that should be in prison.

Bad cops DO exist. And I won’t defend them. But I will defend good cops that made mistakes because every single one of them has.

 

[zeppelin128]

Idk man. I have a hard time believing that Chauvin deserved 3rd degree “murder”. I’m convinced he got “murder” charges simply because that’s what the mob wanted and he was the fall guy. What he did was a classic case of manslaughter. The difference in manslaughter vs 3rd degree is slight but manslaughter is a complete accident without intentionally hurting someone. But manslaughter wouldn’t have been good enough to keep from rioting. I said during the riots that he’d get murder charges if the system bowed down and that’s exactly what happened.

Jesus Christ.

 

[1vol8]

But you don't get to take a life like that and claim it as a "learning experience". At least you shouldn't. The real problem is the no-knock warrant. Nothing you say will convince me it should be legal. It's a violation of the 4th Amendment.

I get that stance. Hell, I can’t even argue because you’re half correct. But here’s my argument. Say you were a cop going after a known cop killer. You got wind of where he’d be and got the warrant. If you were the first through the door, would you rather have the element of surprise or have to announce yourself as present before entering?

 

[Weezer]

Let's map this out. A no-knock search warrant was obtained with falsified information. Three police officers busted down the door and more witnesses claim they didn't identify themselves than those who do. The BF fired one shot, the police fired 32. No drugs or money were recovered from the apartment. The apartment owner, who didn't shoot or even have a gun, was killed after being struck 6 times.


How does that not scream the police screwed up?

 

[1vol8]

Let's map this out. A no-knock search warrant was obtained with falsified information. Three police officers busted down the door and more witnesses claim they didn't identify themselves than those who do. The BF fired one shot, the police fired 32. No drugs or money were recovered from the apartment. The apartment owner, who didn't shoot or even have a gun, was killed after being struck 6 times.


How does that not scream the police screwed up?

When you add falsified info into the mix it doesn’t. The police screwed up. No way around it if that’s true.

 

[Weezer]

I get that stance. Hell, I can’t even argue because you’re half correct. But here’s my argument. Say you were a cop going after a known cop killer. You got wind of where he’d be and got the warrant. If you were the first through the door, would you rather have the element of surprise or have to announce yourself as present before entering?

I'd rather identify, because what if there were other people, innocent people, on the other side with the known cop killer? Better to err on the side of caution. Where your vest and pray you survive the day. Police no the risks when they sign up. Same as any soldier. But you're still expected to follow a code of conduct.

 

[1vol8]

Jesus Christ.

I don’t think he had anything to do with it.

 

[Weezer]

When you add falsified info into the mix it doesn’t. The police screwed up. No way around it if that’s true.

Yet no one was charged in the death of Breonna Taylor. Not the guy who falsified the information. Not the guy who fired recklessly into the apartment putting people at risk. And neither of the two officers whose shots actually hit Breonna. No one.

 

[Weezer]

Jesus Christ.

I do think 2nd degree was an overcharge. But that's JMO. Jury found him guilty so he's guilty. My opinion is 3rd degree should have been the charge. But I also have no problem with his sentence. I think a lot of our sentencing laws in capital crimes are too soft, but that's just me.

 

[1vol8]

I'd rather identify, because what if there were other people, innocent people, on the other side with the known cop killer? Better to err on the side of caution. Where your vest and pray you survive the day. Police no the risks when they sign up. Same as any soldier. But you're still expected to follow a code of conduct.

Well that’s you but I feel your stance would change if you were serving one tomorrow. Most anyone else outside of action junkies wants the element of surprise in that situation rather than giving him/her time to get a bigger gun than you have or even worse, giving multiple people time to get MORE guns than you have.

 

[Weezer]

Well that’s you but I feel your stance would change if you were serving one tomorrow. Most anyone else outside of action junkies wants the element of surprise in that situation rather than giving him/her time to get a bigger gun than you have or even worse, giving multiple people time to get MORE guns than you have.

Maybe that's part of the problem. I understand fearing for your own life, but it seems like as someone in service to the public, protecting innocent lives should come first, which sometimes means putting yourself in harms way.

 

[BayVol7]

- He was using counterfeit bills! Which is a felony and I’m not defending Chauvin. I’ve said since day one that 9 min is too long and he should face some charges. However that doesnt change the fact that what he was doing was within department policy. The length of time is the only reason he should’ve gotten charges. Not fear of what happens next if the mob doesn’t get what it wants.

Allegedly 1 fake $20 bill. If that’s a felony lord help us all.
Opinion | How our obsession with prosecuting misdemeanors ended in George Floyd's death
The way he used the knee was not authorized and context always matters.

- Any seasoned police officer will have complaints over time. I’m sure you’ve made mistakes at your job just as we all have and people complained.

Just no. And I am about done here.
“The model number of civilian complaints is zero and average is something like 1.3. This means that, on average, cops get less than two complaints over a 10-year period. And less than 3% of all officers are named in about 27% of all complaints."
Police officers' exposure to peers accused of misconduct shapes their subsequent behavior

- 36 per million vs 15 per million. But none of that has anything to do with compliance? How about getting all the facts of each case the media a big deal out of? Breanna Taylor was dating a drug dealer and was caught in the cross fire after her drug dealing BF shot at the police first upon serving a “no knock” (but knocked anyway)warrant for him. Did she die because of the color of her skin or his own non compliance? I forget the one guys name that was in violation of a restraining order of a girl he raped not long ago. He didn’t comply with orders while walking to his car and pulled a knife when he got there. Color of his skin or non compliance?
Within that same time you speak of there was a guy that didn’t comply with guns drawn on him telling him to “drop the gun” tucked under his right arm. It ended up being the spine of a black bible but when police are telling you to drop a gun and you know it isn’t a gun, you drop whatever it is so they can see. Would’ve saved his life by simply listening. Color of his skin or non compliance? I can go on and on and you probably know all their names. But once again...... you can’t name just ONE of those white people. The sooner BLM learns that it’s not about skin color but rather the way you act, the better off we will all be.

^This is an example of moving the goal post

I’m done. I can’t argue with the uneducated because you’ll hold your ground regardless. Any death in police hands is a tragedy but if you can’t see how the way one acts escalates or de escalates a situation, you’re part of the problem. So stop fighting with a mirage of a solution.

You’re doing me a favor @ bold. I was done here before I got halfway through your trash reply and ignorance to racial issues makes you the problem actually.