The George Floyd Monument

For whoever said the Civil War was not about slavery: you're partially right. It was about States Rights. To have slaves.

From Georgia's articles of secession:
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

And Mississippi:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

And South Carolina:
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States.

And Texas:
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy.

And Virginia:
The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.

I have trouble understanding the "it's not about slavery" bit when the states' own rationale for leaving say "It's about the slaves."

That doesn’t explain why many northern states who allowed slavery fought with the Union if it was simply about the right to own slaves. Slavery in and of itself was a dying economic philosophy that even the South understood. The logic behind a long, brutal war simply to own slaves for another decade or so doesn’t hold common sense. The Civil War cannot be oversimplified into a one grievance issue. That is an elementary approach to it. Less than 10% of the population in the South was wealthy enough to own slaves, yet the vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate armies were poor, subsistence farmers who owned few if any slaves, hard to argue they were fighting for the rights of wealthy plantation owners.
 
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That doesn’t explain why many northern states who allowed slavery fought with the Union if it was simply about the right to own slaves. Slavery in and of itself was a dying economic philosophy that even the South understood. The logic behind a long, brutal war simply to own slaves for another decade or so doesn’t hold common sense. The Civil War cannot be oversimplified into a one grievance issue. That is an elementary approach to it. Less than 10% of the population in the South was wealthy enough to own slaves, yet the vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate armies were poor, subsistence farmers who owned few if any slaves, hard to argue they were fighting for the rights of wealthy plantation owners.
This is revisionist history. I hope you are not trying to be disingenuous on purpose.
“...according to the Census of 1860, 30.8 percent of the free families in the confederacy owned slaves. That means that every third white person in those states had a direct commitment to slavery.”
https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8.10.20.pdf
 
Wow! You BLM supporters really should do your homework.

George Floyd was life long criminal in the process of yet another felony. He was resisting and he was put on the ground at HIS OWN REQUEST! Watch the video! Look up his history! He was claiming he can’t breathe well before ending up on the ground and well before Chavin had his knee on his neck (which you may find was within department policy if you did the research). You burned cities to the ground SIMPLY because this man had black skin regardless of his character and we all know it because if he’d been white you know damn well we wouldn’t know his name. Dont talk to me about racism when your actions are determined by the color of a mans skin rather than the color he bleeds. BLM IS the modern embodiment of racism in America today.


Ps. More white people were killed by cops in 2020. Look up the stats. How about naming just ONE of them? I’ll wait.
Umm what felony was he committing? 😳
Also, why are you taking the side of an incompetent, fired police officer?
Letters to the Editor: Don't forget that Derek Chauvin had 18 complaints before he killed George Floyd

If you think cities were burned only because one black man was murdered unnecessarily, I’d suggest YOU are the one who needs to do homework 🤦‍♂️

To your P.S.
I’ll help you get started on that HW. The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and May 2021 stood at 36 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 15 fatal police shootings per million of the population.
Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2021 | Statista
 
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This is revisionist history. I hope you are not trying to be disingenuous on purpose.
“...according to the Census of 1860, 30.8 percent of the free families in the confederacy owned slaves. That means that every third white person in those states had a direct commitment to slavery.”
https://socialequity.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/8.10.20.pdf

For someone who “prides” herself/himself on being informed you would know that map was highly inflammatory and meant to be by its makers. The average cost of a slave was approximately 40k in today’s money. The average family in the South was considerably poorer than a family in the Northeast.
 
Does it bring about white rage? 🤔
The fact that you mock goes to show it's not equality you're interested in. You'd probably be okay with just subverting POC as the majority, and discriminating against whites. That's not fixing the problem. Everyone equal should be the goal, but it doesn't appear to be yours. You seem intent on retaliation for crimes committed in the past, not by the current generation. There is no logic in that. Put aside your vindictive outlook and realize everyone matters. Not just POC. The solution isn't to subjugate white people.
 
Umm what felony was he committing? 😳
Also, why are you taking the side of an incompetent, fired police officer?
Letters to the Editor: Don't forget that Derek Chauvin had 18 complaints before he killed George Floyd

If you think cities were burned only because one black man was murdered unnecessarily, I’d suggest YOU are the one who needs to do homework 🤦‍♂️

To your P.S.
I’ll help you get started on that HW. The rate of fatal police shootings in the United States shows large differences based on ethnicity. Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and May 2021 stood at 36 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 15 fatal police shootings per million of the population.
Police shootings: rate by ethnicity U.S. 2021 | Statista
Derek Chauvin was wrong and deserves his punishment.

That said, George Floyd was accused of passing a counterfeit bill, which can be charged as a federal felony. That was the call the police responded to. Whether or not he was actually passing a counterfeit bill we may never know because all of that seemed to disappear with his death.

Personally, I don't think George Floyd should have been the hero of the BLM movement. Yes, Chauvin needed to be charged as what he did was wrong, but the case that truly deserved the attention was Breonna Taylor.
 
History lesson.
so you think the civil was was about slavery?
It wasn’t.
Who owned slaves when the war began?
Both north and south.
Who was freed in the emancipation proclamation?
Only the slaves in the states where Lincoln had no control.
Who’s plan was it to export all black people to Africa?
Lincoln.
Yet nobody wants to take down the Lincoln memorial.
Well that’s odd.

I don’t care one way or the other about monuments. Put them in museums. Whatever all the white people want to do. Because I know many black people and none of them care about this.

And finally to compare the civil war to what the Nazis did is beyond moronic.

You have a lot of apathetic friends when it comes to the atrocities committed against them... But you should keep using your anecdotal experiences to brush aside what the black community as a whole ais enraged over, it's clearly a great argument.

Also, I haven't seen anyone compare the Civil War to what the Nazi did.
 
You have a lot of apathetic friends when it comes to the atrocities committed against them... But you should keep using your anecdotal experiences to brush aside what the black community as a whole ais enraged over, it's clearly a great argument.

Also, I haven't seen anyone compare the Civil War to what the Nazi did.
lol
 
You are a confused and deluded soul. You'd think someone who claims to have lost family members in the Holocaust wouldn't be a good ole boy apologist for slavery and genocide.

you’re a moron who doesn’t know history and you’re upset at the wrong people.
Who really responsible for the slaves being free?
 
You have a lot of apathetic friends when it comes to the atrocities committed against them... But you should keep using your anecdotal experiences to brush aside what the black community as a whole ais enraged over, it's clearly a great argument.

Also, I haven't seen anyone compare the Civil War to what the Nazi did.

Really?
You’re the dipstick that made the comparison.
And I’m brushing aside the opinion of white people on the subject. @Rasputin_Vol has my respect and I will gladly hear anything he has to say on the subject.
As to the rest of your assumptions about Jews…right now we have a mosque sitting on our most holy ground in the capital of Israel. That mosque represents a people who walk around chanting “death to Israel “ and “death to Jews” yet we don’t cry and bitch about it like little children. We’d likely handle the statue issue the same way. With the long game. Slowly buy the land and move it when we own all of the land around it.
 
It is an acknowledgment of GFs sacrifice and a reminder that we still have a long way to go in this country in regards to race relations.

Sacrifice?

I'll say it again - Chauvin is a POS and culpable and deserves punishment, but it is also without doubt had Floyd not been high and breaking the law he would be alive today. Period.

The fact you and others see this as some sort of sacrifice is the height of stupidity. He didn't selflessly give his life for the greater good and it is an insult to those who actually deserve such recognition.
 
Really?
You’re the dipstick that made the comparison.
And I’m brushing aside the opinion of white people on the subject. @Rasputin_Vol has my respect and I will gladly hear anything he has to say on the subject.
As to the rest of your assumptions about Jews…right now we have a mosque sitting on our most holy ground in the capital of Israel. That mosque represents a people who walk around chanting “death to Israel “ and “death to Jews” yet we don’t cry and bitch about it like little children. We’d likely handle the statue issue the same way. With the long game. Slowly buy the land and move it when we own all of the land around it.

"r3AlLy, Ur tH3 1 ThA7 mAdE dA coMpR1sUn?"

Geezus, I thought you'd be above intentionally misrepresenting an argument so openly. I guess it's necessary when you're unable to convince people that the victims and their communities "don't care", because you've talked to a couple and seen a youtube video.

You're 100% aware that I made the comparison about the reactions of Jews looking at commemorative statues of Himmler as being the same as the blacks looking upon the commemorative statues of Confederate generals with the same disdain. It's completely disingenuous to conflate that I or anyone would try and make the argument that the atrocities committed against them were the same. That's lame dude - you're better than this.

And if German tried to erect a statue of Himmler or Hitler giving a Nazi salute in Rabin Square you'd drop this ridiculous bravado of "not caring" and lose your sh*t. You aren't fooling anyone. How about renaming Rabin Square to "Joseph Mengele Square?" No big deal?

You missed the point. The comparison to the Nazi's was relegated to the symbolism of whether the Jews would be offended by giant bronze statues erected in reverence to the authors of the holocaust just as the blacks are offended by the erection and continued reverence to the actors that took place to their people's oppression. It's not a pissing contest between slave owners and the SS.
 
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