The Georgetown Postgame Report

[UT IE 95]

Again, where are you when UT is winning? You run and hide and don't post until UT loses. See the pattern? That is the epitome of a troll or whatever the hell you want to call it IMO.

Hell, you fling Summer's Eve all over the place any time UT loses. You truly are a hypocrite. As Sparty said, 90% of the time people that are acting like douches will get called on it. As they should.

Like I told that bigtennorange poster, I can't read posts for you. I post here win or lose. I praise and criticize the staff and players. It's too bad there is much more room for criticism than praise.

 

[johnnybravo]

My take on this team:

1. No true PG to penetrate the zone. Seems we have been saying this for 30 years
2. Why did we not push the ball up the court vs. letting G town set up their zone defense? I truly am worried about CCM's game day coaching ability. I love the guy but don't see Xgrid adjustments made during games
3. Stokes is way overrated. Looks good against smaller and less talented teams. Hasn't shown much against the really good teams. Looks like a 4 year player to me.
4. No shooters. If you can't shoot, it's going to be difficult to beat the zone. Especially when you don't penetrate it.
5. Free Throw shooting lost the game. No excuse for a major college team to shoot 27% from the FT line. Shoot 45% and you win the game! Not rocket science
6 without Maymon, this team is an NIT second round loser once again. Not impressed at all so far this season

Great Postgame report. CCM's game management was IMO the reason we lost the game. If we are HORRIBLE against the zone defense. Then why in the hell are we walking the ball up the court to let the opponent get perfectly set up? End of game situation again bites us in the ass. 2 desperation 3's is all we can come up with. Spread the floor and tell Golden to penetrate. You either get a decent shot off, you get fouled, or the zone crashes and you have an open spot up shooter on the wing ready to take a decent shot.

 

[calban]

I see your point, but I would rather have Hall out there than any other post paired with Stokes.

I'd like to see a little more patience with Yemi.
Yes he leads the team in fouls per minute, but he also has the best rebounding percentage on the offensive glass. (an area where we need help).
He also has zero TOs for the season and shoots a better percentage from the line than Hall.
He won't overcome the tendency to foul sitting on the bench.
Martin shows little patience for young players that foul and a lot of patience for guys that don't foul and produce nil on the court.

 

[knowthevols]

I'd like to see a little more patience with Yemi.
Yes he leads the team in fouls per minute, but he also has the best rebounding percentage on the offensive glass. (an area where we need help).
He also has zero TOs for the season and shoots a better percentage from the line than Hall.
He won't overcome the tendency to foul sitting on the bench.
Martin shows little patience for young players that foul and a lot of patience for guys that don't foul and produce nil on the court.

Good point cal, I really hadn't thought of it that way.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I've always liked Yemi. He may not pan out, but he has good hands and decent basketball instincts for an everyday bigman, much less one with little experience, and always gives effort. Too much effort at times leads to his fouls. I just think he gets excited. He also has a sense of where the ball will come off the rim. If he would pattern his game off Motumbo and perfect a little jump hook with either hand, he could be a weapon as a junior and protect the basket.

 

[cncchris33]

I've always liked Yemi. He may not pan out, but he has good hands and decent basketball instincts for an everyday bigman, much less one with little experience, and always gives effort. Too much effort at times leads to his fouls. I just think he gets excited. He also has a sense of where the ball will come off the rim. If he would pattern his game off Motumbo and perfect a little jump hook with either hand, he could be a weapon as a junior and protect the basket.

I agree. I'll add that he has little understanding of defensive positioning which, compounded with his excitement, leads to his fouls. If he were taught proper positioning by his junior year, he could be a serviceable defender for a couple seasons.

 

[cncchris33]

I'd like to see a little more patience with Yemi.
Yes he leads the team in fouls per minute, but he also has the best rebounding percentage on the offensive glass. (an area where we need help).
He also has zero TOs for the season and shoots a better percentage from the line than Hall.
He won't overcome the tendency to foul sitting on the bench.
Martin shows little patience for young players that foul and a lot of patience for guys that don't foul and produce nil on the court.

+1, esp the last sentence.

 

[UT IE 95]

There was a poster on here last year that claimed Martin could coach against a zone defense, his problem was players on the roster just had a low basketball IQ. The coaching wasn't the problem, it was the players. I guess that guy thinks the IQ must be single digit on this team.

 

[Spartacavolus]

There was a poster on here last year that claimed Martin could coach against a zone defense, his problem was players on the roster just had a low basketball IQ. The coaching wasn't the problem, it was the players. I guess that guy thinks the IQ must be single digit on this team.

I get on him about it too but let me ask you and VN a serious question.

Do you think CM and his staff of 12+ assistants are telling us not to pass to the middle against a zone and to not dribble penetrate?
The problem is, if you can't dribble, you better pass, and if you can't pass in that situation, you need to sit. We have players that are clueless as to what to do. Yes, that's on the coaches, but moreso, it's on the players. You are in D1. Simple zone offense isn't hard, but you better want the ball, be able to dribble the ball, be able to pass the ball and be able to shoot the ball and I can't think of a player we have that fits that criteria.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Like I told that bigtennorange poster, I can't read posts for you. I post here win or lose. I praise and criticize the staff and players. It's too bad there is much more room for criticism than praise.

Your post count when UT loses is easily 2:1 vs. when they win. You rarely praise this staff. Hell, you were ready to fire them before they even coached one game in the SEC regular season last year. If you find criticism in a team and coaching staff who had to look down the barrel of the NCAA gun (and was limited on who they could sign because of that) and was picked to finish next to last and ended up finishing second in the SEC then there is going to be very little that will you will be happy with outside of a national title.

Last time I checked, no UT coach has even sniffed the Final 4 and you think UT should all of a sudden be a Ky and win titles. You're absurd and that's absurd.

 

[volbeast33]

Your post count when UT loses is easily 2:1 vs. when they win. You rarely praise this staff. Hell, you were ready to fire them before they even coached one game in the SEC regular season last year. If you find criticism in a team and coaching staff who had to look down the barrel of the NCAA gun (and was limited on who they could sign because of that) and was picked to finish next to last and ended up finishing second in the SEC then there is going to be very little that will you will be happy with outside of a national title.

Last time I checked, no UT coach has even sniffed the Final 4 and you think UT should all of a sudden be a Ky and win titles. You're absurd and that's absurd.

Who cares? He doesn't like the choice of coaches and nothing he has seen yet has made him feel any different. It's no different than all the fans riding around on CCM shoulders praising every step he takes and claiming we are so lucky he is our coach.....what Barrell of the NCAA did he face.....that was settled before he even coached his first game.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Who cares? He doesn't like the choice of coaches and nothing he has seen yet has made him feel any different. It's no different than all the fans riding around on CCM shoulders praising every step he takes and claiming we are so lucky he is our coach.....what Barrell of the NCAA did he face.....that was settled before he even coached his first game.

Because all he does is b!tch and moan and the coach has only coached just over a year. No one can logically grade out a coaching staff in that time. It's ludicrous.

As for the NCAA, Martin was hired before any of the penalties were levied. He had to recruit and get guys without knowing what their punishment was going to be. You think that didn't hurt his chances at landing better players that didn't want to play with UT on probation? Are you trying to be dense?

 

[UT IE 95]

I get on him about it too but let me ask you and VN a serious question.

Do you think CM and his staff of 12+ assistants are telling us not to pass to the middle against a zone and to not dribble penetrate?
The problem is, if you can't dribble, you better pass, and if you can't pass in that situation, you need to sit. We have players that are clueless as to what to do. Yes, that's on the coaches, but moreso, it's on the players. You are in D1. Simple zone offense isn't hard, but you better want the ball, be able to dribble the ball, be able to pass the ball and be able to shoot the ball and I can't think of a player we have that fits that criteria.

A coaches job is preparation. This team is not and has never been prepared to execute an offensive set against a zone. They may be tryin' but it ain't workin'.

 

[UT IE 95]

Because all he does is b!tch and moan and the coach has only coached just over a year. No one can logically grade out a coaching staff in that time. It's ludicrous.

As for the NCAA, Martin was hired before any of the penalties were levied. He had to recruit and get guys without knowing what their punishment was going to be. You think that didn't hurt his chances at landing better players that didn't want to play with UT on probation? Are you trying to be dense?

Name one player that said he would not come to UT because of any NCAA involvement. You can't because there are none. Using the lying and firing of Pearl as some excuse for Martin's lack of coaching ability is strange indeed. There were never going to be NCAA punishment or probation.

 

[Spartacavolus]

A coaches job is preparation. This team is not and has never been prepared to execute an offensive set against a zone. They may be tryin' but it ain't workin'.

and i repeat, it's hard to coach offense against a zone, without a penetrating and vocal leader at pg to execute and get the ball to open shooters. CM needs to sit the guys that continue to stand around and pass it 30 feet from the basket. That's his next step

 

[volbeast33]

Because all he does is b!tch and moan and the coach has only coached just over a year. No one can logically grade out a coaching staff in that time. It's ludicrous.

As for the NCAA, Martin was hired before any of the penalties were levied. He had to recruit and get guys without knowing what their punishment was going to be. You think that didn't hurt his chances at landing better players that didn't want to play with UT on probation? Are you trying to be dense?

It's no different than everyone singing the man's praises before he has even made his first NCAA tournament....you do realize that Moore,Reese, and Edwards were all recruited after sanctions were handed down....He has not proven to me one way or the other what he can accomplish here as our coach.

 

[cncchris33]

I get on him about it too but let me ask you and VN a serious question.

Do you think CM and his staff of 12+ assistants are telling us not to pass to the middle against a zone and to not dribble penetrate?
The problem is, if you can't dribble, you better pass, and if you can't pass in that situation, you need to sit. We have players that are clueless as to what to do. Yes, that's on the coaches, but moreso, it's on the players. You are in D1. Simple zone offense isn't hard, but you better want the ball, be able to dribble the ball, be able to pass the ball and be able to shoot the ball and I can't think of a player we have that fits that criteria.

Bingo. Until we recruit a player that can shoot teams out of a zone or isn't afraid to drive into the teeth of it and create something, we will struggle against it. That is unless, we change the way we attack it from our slow-down, methodical sets to an up-tempo attack that doesn't allow opponents to set up in the zone.

 

[calban]

and i repeat, it's hard to coach offense against a zone, without a penetrating and vocal leader at pg to execute and get the ball to open shooters. CM needs to sit the guys that continue to stand around and pass it 30 feet from the basket. That's his next step

But will he do it?
I fear we're in a situation much like last season with the defense.
In his comment, players have to make plays, this is what he was saying.
He phrased it as taking it to the middle.
He's playing too many settlers.
Need some pioneers.

 

[UT IE 95]

and i repeat, it's hard to coach offense against a zone, without a penetrating and vocal leader at pg to execute and get the ball to open shooters. CM needs to sit the guys that continue to stand around and pass it 30 feet from the basket. That's his next step

Agreed. But it appears to be systemic at this point. The book on defending us was written last year, it's published now. We'll see teams open in man, then switch to zone to shut us down for stetches of the game. In a late game situation, just like last year, expect to see zone in the final possessions of close games. This should be expected from the coaching staff.

 

[knowthevols]

Your post count when UT loses is easily 2:1 vs. when they win. You rarely praise this staff. Hell, you were ready to fire them before they even coached one game in the SEC regular season last year. If you find criticism in a team and coaching staff who had to look down the barrel of the NCAA gun (and was limited on who they could sign because of that) and was picked to finish next to last and ended up finishing second in the SEC then there is going to be very little that will you will be happy with outside of a national title.

Last time I checked, no UT coach has even sniffed the Final 4 and you think UT should all of a sudden be a Ky and win titles. You're absurd and that's absurd.

So no UT coach has even sniffed the final four? We came as close as you can get without going. Your point is obvious though thinly veiled.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Name one player that said he would not come to UT because of any NCAA involvement. You can't because there are none. Using the lying and firing of Pearl as some excuse for Martin's lack of coaching ability is strange indeed. There were never going to be NCAA punishment or probation.

So, you think UT was never going to be punished? You're insane. No one knows what the NCAA is going to do. Every case is subjective. UT got punished, but the coaches got the worst of it for once.

If you don't think that the NCAA involvement hurt UT's recruiting then there is no hope for you.

 

[OrangeBalls]

It's no different than everyone singing the man's praises before he has even made his first NCAA tournament....you do realize that Moore,Reese, and Edwards were all recruited after sanctions were handed down....He has not proven to me one way or the other what he can accomplish here as our coach.

It's funny you conveniently left out Stokes. I wonder why? He was recruited after the sanctions were handed down too. And now he got Hubbs. I'd say he's doing ok there.

No one knows how bad or good Martin will be yet. He hasn't even coached a year and a half. For those that are still clinging to Pearl's balls they need to get it out of their head that he's gone and he's never coming back. Get over it.

 

[OrangeBalls]

So no UT coach has even sniffed the final four? We came as close as you can get without going. Your point is obvious though thinly veiled.

As close as UT came was when UT lost to Mich St. That's it. Even UGA and Miss St have been to a Final 4. That speaks volumes about UT's history in the postseason. Yet, IE thinks Martin should be cutting down nets at the Final 4. Hilarious.

 

[UT IE 95]

As close as UT came was when UT lost to Mich St. That's it. Even UGA and Miss St have been to a Final 4. That speaks volumes about UT's history in the postseason. Yet, IE thinks Martin should be cutting down nets at the Final 4. Hilarious.

This guy is a flaming troller. I'm not sure how I could be more clear that I don't think Martin will ever sniff a championship of any kind. It will be a huge accomplishment for him to break into the NCAA tourney for the first time.

 

[UT IE 95]

So, you think UT was never going to be punished? You're insane. No one knows what the NCAA is going to do. Every case is subjective. UT got punished, but the coaches got the worst of it for once.

If you don't think that the NCAA involvement hurt UT's recruiting then there is no hope for you.

I asked you to name one player to support your claim of Martin being handicapped in recruiting.