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#12,153
GAVol said:
Doesn't the definition of "moved" still apply though? The ball has to actually change positions.
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"oscillate" as Tiger defines shows that the stays in the same position. I honestly can't tell from the video if it did move or not. The PGA is claiming it's obvious it did. If anything, it slid down into the junk more, but I can't really tell.

IMO though, there's no way Tiger missed it moving. I've always noticed when I accidentally do it. That's a guaranteed one stroke penalty. By not putting it back how it was, it's another stroke.

It may be a stupid rule, but it's a rule and for now it has to be enforced, just because, again, it is a rule.
 
#12,155
#12,155
volfanbill said:
"oscillate" as Tiger defines shows that the stays in the same position. I honestly can't tell from the video if it did move or not. The PGA is claiming it's obvious it did. If anything, it slid down into the junk more, but I can't really tell.

IMO though, there's no way Tiger missed it moving. I've always noticed when I accidentally do it. That's a guaranteed one stroke penalty. By not putting it back how it was, it's another stroke.

It may be a stupid rule, but it's a rule and for now it has to be enforced, just because, again, it is a rule.
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I just don't see how they access a penalty when the player claims it didn't move, didn't call it and a zoomed in HD video which offers a better view than the player even had is inconclusive. Slugger White's claim that it "obviously" moved is simply ridiculous.
 
#12,156
#12,156
GAVol said:
I just don't see how they access a penalty when the player claims it didn't move, didn't call it and a zoomed in HD video which offers a better view than the player even had is inconclusive. Slugger White's claim that it "obviously" moved is simply ridiculous.
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It is clear the ball moves IMO. Does it leave it's original position? I'm not sure. There's no way I'm not calling for a rules official after it moves though if I were Tiger. I still think he had to notice it move though.
 
#12,158
#12,158
Poor Tiger, never gets a break. lol.

For years they set up courses for his style of play. Now - not so much. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a guy that took advantage of dumb fans moving a boulder from in front of his ball or them throwing his ball back into the fairway from the rough/trees. The rules are the rules regardless of how dumb they seem at times. Most of the guys on tour have experienced this sort of thing numerous times and they call the penalty and go on. But that's not how Tiger rolls and everybody knows it.
 
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#12,159
Vols4us said:
Poor Tiger, never gets a break. lol.

For years they set up courses for his style of play. Now - not so much. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a guy that took advantage of dumb fans moving a boulder from in front of his ball or them throwing his ball back into the fairway from the rough/trees. The rules are the rules regardless of how dumb they seem at times. Most of the guys on tour have experienced this sort of thing numerous times and they call the penalty and go on. But that's not how Tiger rolls and everybody knows it.
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I'm pretty sure you're kidding about fans throwing balls out of the rough, and the boulder move was a result of a ruling that anybody in the field would have gotten at the time.

Honestly, I think if it's not Tiger or maybe 5 other guys that would get extreme coverage, that camera shot never happens and there's likely no penalty assessed. Even after seeing the video, I don't think I'd have called it.
 
#12,160
#12,160
Vols4us said:
Poor Tiger, never gets a break. lol.

For years they set up courses for his style of play. Now - not so much. Sorry, can't feel sorry for a guy that took advantage of dumb fans moving a boulder from in front of his ball or them throwing his ball back into the fairway from the rough/trees. The rules are the rules regardless of how dumb they seem at times. Most of the guys on tour have experienced this sort of thing numerous times and they call the penalty and go on. But that's not how Tiger rolls and everybody knows it.
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He lost by more than 2 shots FYI
 
#12,162
#12,162
Brandel's always going off on him

I thought he was going to have a Heart Attack, when Tiger did withdraw from the Masters
 
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#12,164
GAVol said:
I'm pretty sure you're kidding about fans throwing balls out of the rough, and the boulder move was a result of a ruling that anybody in the field would have gotten at the time.

Honestly, I think if it's not Tiger or maybe 5 other guys that would get extreme coverage, that camera shot never happens and there's likely no penalty assessed. Even after seeing the video, I don't think I'd have called it.
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I was kidding about the throwing balls stuff. The boulder - not so much. Most professionals would have dealt with the lie and played on. He took full advantage of hero worshippers on that one.

Could be right on the camera coverage aspect. Price of being a legend. Maybe he didn't see it legitimately. Don't know how - I could see it. But after that bad drop that had every serious golfer in the world yelling at the TV last year it's hard to believe him anymore.
 
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#12,165
Vols4us said:
I was kidding about the throwing balls stuff. The boulder - not so much. Most professionals would have dealt with the lie and played on. He took full advantage of hero worshippers on that one.

Could be right on the camera coverage aspect. Price of being a legend. Maybe he didn't see it legitimately. Don't know how - I could see it. But after that bad drop that had every serious golfer in the world yelling at the TV last year it's hard to believe him anymore.
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It's absurd to think Tiger would knowingly try & cheat. The haters & has beens like Chamblee & Miller are idiots. There's a reason they talk about golf instead of play.
 
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#12,166
govols/cc said:
It's absurd to think Tiger would knowingly try & cheat. The haters & has beens like Chamblee & Miller are idiots. There's a reason they talk about golf instead of play.
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Miller as in Johnny?

Surely you didn't mean to include him in the talk about golf instead of play category.
 
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#12,169
bamacheats said:
I agree with community college on something. Early onset dementia is a bee atch!
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You shouldn't. Miller was a best player in the world for a decent while. He voluntarily shut it down and never got it back.

The idea that Tiger might be above reproach on a golf course is silly. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to support that he is anything but a moral leper.
 
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#12,170
BigPapaVol said:
You shouldn't. Miller was a best player in the world for a decent while. He voluntarily shut it down and never got it back.

The idea that Tiger might be above reproach on a golf course is silly. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to support that he is anything but a moral leper.
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The fact he let his "manhood" steer him to make bad decisions has absolutely no bearing on how he conducts himself on the course. He took a bad drop a few months ago & took his penalty. They said the ball moved last week when he didn't believe it did yet took his penalty. Not sure what the big deal is. These tv yahoos just need something to talk about.
 
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#12,171
BigPapaVol said:
You shouldn't. Miller was a best player in the world for a decent while. He voluntarily shut it down and never got it back.
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Pretty sure that a lot of his voluntary shut down was the fact that somewhere in the late 70s his putting became an atrocity.

I like his honesty in the booth, but I think he's pushed the envelope with his reactions to Tiger at the BMW and earlier this year about the drop at the Players.
 
#12,173
#12,173
BigPapaVol said:
You shouldn't. Miller was a best player in the world for a decent while. He voluntarily shut it down and never got it back.

The idea that Tiger might be above reproach on a golf course is silly. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to support that he is anything but a moral leper.
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Miller was really good, he was never great. He was nowhere near as good as he thinks he was.

Miller was the first David Duval.
 
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bamacheats said:
Miller was really good, he was never great. He was nowhere near as good as he thinks he was.

Miller was the first David Duval.
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I think he was a little better than that, but that's not a bad comparison. They both played insane golf for about 3-4 years and then fell off the world. Although, Miller did manage to have a resurgence and show flashes again. If Miller could have even putted average in the middle and end of his career, he'd probably have been in the Phil Mickelson/Billy Casper category record wise.
 
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#12,175
GAVol said:
I think he was a little better than that, but that's not a bad comparison. They both played insane golf for about 3-4 years and then fell off the world. Although, Miller did manage to have a resurgence and show flashes again. If Miller could have even putted average in the middle and end of his career, he'd probably have been in the Phil Mickelson/Billy Casper category record wise.
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Admittedly, I have a hard time being objective with anything Johnny Miller because of his Tigerphilia.
 
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