The Golf Thread

[volfanbill]

I didn't know I was bragging. Lots of guys in this state/region have played in a US Amatuer. The number of great players is actually astonishing. I was trying to make the point that I know a little about the game.

the town I live in has approx 10,000 people. A 50 mile radius will consist of everyone in a number of towns around me. All joking aside, I can think of two players in my 50 mile radius that can beat me regularly, but then again both of those guys are two of the 20 -25 best in the state.

there's no way I'm going to believe that a 45 year old can only beaten by two people in a 50 mile radius. That's BS.

 

[UT IE 95]

there's no way I'm going to believe that a 45 year old can only beaten by two people in a 50 mile radius. That's BS.

He seems reluctant to tell us his location, so yes, it appears a little far fetched.

Now if he said Franklin, KY....

 

[truefan]

there's no way I'm going to believe that a 45 year old can only beaten by two people in a 50 mile radius. That's BS.

LOL. You are showing your ignorance and I could care less what you believe.

 

[truefan]

He seems reluctant to tell us his location, so yes, it appears a little far fetched.

Now if he said Franklin, KY....

Kenny is a touring professional. Hasn't been an amatuer since early eighties

 

[truefan]

Aside from a couple of college players, the best amatuer, day in-day out, in this state, is 49 years old. In fact, the other best amatuers in this state are in their 40s.

 

[BigPapaVol]

there's no way I'm going to believe that a 45 year old can only beaten by two people in a 50 mile radius. That's BS.

I guarantee you it was true in my area, until dude took it to Q-School. He has been on the PGA tour since.

I'm certain that Jay Sigel qualified as the 45 yr old who could beat everyone within 50 miles as well. Ditto Gibby Gilbert, Tom Wargo......

 

[UT IE 95]

Aside from a couple of college players, the best amatuer, day in-day out, in this state, is 49 years old. In fact, the other best amatuers in this state are in their 40s.

You must understand the skepticism - right? You're reluctant to tell us what town you are the greatest golfer in (sans two other people).

So far all you've done is claimed all these events you played in which makes you a swing expert and called everyone stupid and idiotic.

 

[truefan]

You must understand the skepticism - right? You're reluctant to tell us what town you are the greatest golfer in (sans two other people).

So far all you've done is claimed all these events you played in which makes you a swing expert and called everyone stupid and idiotic.[/QUOTE]

I am no swing expert, but do understand the swing quite well. YOu must understand when you make comments equating the act of keeping your left arm straight to keeping your eye on the ball, those comments are going to be labeled stupid.

I am a private person and don't wish to share personal information about myself. You can choose to believe or not believe...it doesn't matter to me at all. I am aware there may be skepticism. I have nothing to prove to you. You can show up for a game sometime in the autumn and decide for yourself. At that time, we will introduce ourselves. Until then you will just have to put up with my arrogance on the subject.

 

[volfanbill]

I guarantee you it was true in my area, until dude took it to Q-School. He has been on the PGA tour since.

I'm certain that Jay Sigel qualified as the 45 yr old who could beat everyone within 50 miles as well. Ditto Gibby Gilbert, Tom Wargo......

perhaps I'm jaded from my past experiences, but there's too many youngsters and most importantly college players that can absolutely stroke it living in most 50 mile radii to make me still have my stance. I'm not saying everyone, but him being 45 and spewing what he's spewing, I don't believe him.

 

[UT IE 95]

You must understand the skepticism - right? You're reluctant to tell us what town you are the greatest golfer in (sans two other people).

So far all you've done is claimed all these events you played in which makes you a swing expert and called everyone stupid and idiotic.[/QUOTE]

I am no swing expert, but do understand the swing quite well. YOu must understand when you make comments equating the act of keeping your left arm straight to keeping your eye on the ball, those comments are going to be labeled stupid.

I am a private person and don't wish to share personal information about myself. You can choose to believe or not believe...it doesn't matter to me at all. I am aware there may be skepticism. I have nothing to prove to you. You can show up for a game sometime in the autumn and decide for yourself. At that time, we will introduce ourselves. Until then you will just have to put up with my arrogance on the subject.

It would serve you best to drop the personal comments. It is not arrogance that you come across with.

Taking any advice on a golf swing litterally on a personal level is a mistake. I used the left arm as an example - the same applies for left shoulder to chin, horizontal shaft at the top, or avoiding a reverse C move.

 

[truefan]

perhaps I'm jaded from my past experiences, but there's too many youngsters and most importantly college players that can absolutely stroke it living in most 50 mile radii to make me still have my stance. I'm not saying everyone, but him being 45 and spewing what he's spewing, I don't believe him.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I asked IE if he had ever played in a USGA national event or if he played collegiate golf, and then had he won his club championship. This was all due to an argument for which he didn't need to be in.

And I will take most of those kids who hit it 310 yards off the tee to school in a match. Stroking it and scoring it are two totally different things, with scoring being the important thing.

You can choose to believe what you wish, however, I have no earthly reason to lie about it

 

[UT IE 95]

perhaps I'm jaded from my past experiences, but there's too many youngsters and most importantly college players that can absolutely stroke it living in most 50 mile radii to make me still have my stance. I'm not saying everyone, but him being 45 and spewing what he's spewing, I don't believe him.[/QUOTE]

First of all, I asked IE if he had ever played in a USGA national event or if he played collegiate golf, and then had he won his club championship. This was all due to an argument for which he didn't need to be in.
And I will take most of those kids who hit it 310 yards off the tee to school in a match. Stroking it and scoring it are two totally different things, with scoring being the important thing.

You can choose to believe what you wish, however, I have no earthly reason to lie about it

Whoa, there "ace golfer". I have never played in USGA events - never actually had the game nor desire to do so. I have played rounds with PGA pros, watched countless tournaments, and read up on swing theory and application.

But I do know that two of the top players on the mens womens tours do exactly what you said they didn't do.

So there never was an argument. You just keep calling people stupid when you were plain wrong.

 

[doozer]

guys, is it really that hard to use the quote function right?

i'm not trying to be critical but it can make posts hard to read..

 

[volfanbill]

i will also add that i do know some top notch over 40 golfers and not one of them would be talking them self up like this guy is doing. He's yet to have any comments that make me believe him.

 

[truefan]

Whoa, there "ace golfer". I have never played in USGA events - never actually had the game nor desire to do so. I have played rounds with PGA pros, watched countless tournaments, and read up on swing theory and application.

But I do know that two of the top players on the mens womens tours do exactly what you said they didn't do.

So there never was an argument. You just keep calling people stupid when you were plain wrong.

It has been years since Duval was anything close to a top player. What PGA pros have you played with...are you talking about PGA club pros or tour pros...big difference.

And Volfanbill.....I am not talking myself up.....you just don't get it.......needing you to believe anything is quite unnecessary

 

[volfanbill]

And Volfanbill.....I am not talking myself up.....you just don't get it

yes you are... and yes I do GET it.

 

[UT IE 95]

It has been years since Duval was anything close to a top player

And Volfanbill.....I am not talking myself up.....you just don't get it

It's been years since Jack Nicklaus was a top player too. What's your point?

 

[volfanbill]

btw doozer, even though they seriously screwed up their quoting systems. I was able to edit it so mine came out correctly!

 

[doozer]

seriously, you guys are killing me trying to keep up with the quoting except bill.

 

[head1]

Eh take it to the fairways. I wanna read about golf not whos driver is bigger.:ermm:

 

[UT IE 95]

Here was your original comment truefan:

So true, but lets not forget about these critical fundamentals either:

Keep your eye on the ball through impact
Keep your head still through impact

These things are key for SOLID contact

YOu can have great posture
your swing plane can be perfect with square face;however, if you don't keep your head down you are going to hit bad shots..plain and simple

Maybe this will help you understand where you are incorrect:

Golf Swing Instruction

The Head: Fact versus Fiction
A lot of golf instructors say, “Don’t move your head!” What they’re trying to communicate is, “Don’t come out of your posture by raising your head and shoulders during the back swing.!” Since that’s an awful lot to say, many people just say, “Don’t move your head.”

The concept is good, it just doesn’t completely explain the issue. As a result, people often develop other problems because they’re trying to make sure they don’t move their head.

The head does move, and has to in order for you to shift your weight. Power comes from thrust. Thrust is shifting your weight from your right side to your left side. Therefore, your body has to move. If your body is going to move, your head has to move also.

The average pro’s head moves approximately two inches to the right to get to the top of the backswing. Then at the start of the forward swing, it moves an additional inch to the right. It then moves three inches down, and eleven inches forward through the forward swing.

Many people develop a problem in swing because they’re trying to keep their head from moving. As a result, they cripple their swing because they don’t release their hips through impact. In trying to keep their head down, they don’t look up after impact. Then their hips can’t rotate forward because of the placement of their head.

If you think your head is moving too much, it’s a symptom of another fundamental problem such as, coming out of your posture. Your head is moving as a result of another problem, it’s not the cause. Your head will move, that’s a requirement of a proper golf swing. If, however, you think it is moving too much, you need to look somewhere else for the problem, don’t just focus on your head.

 

[truefan]

Here was your original comment truefan:



Maybe this will help you understand where you are incorrect:

Golf Swing Instruction

There many schools of thought on the golf swing. simply providing some teacher's own explanation isn't going to change my opinion. And what did he say ? 2 inches...boy

I don't agree with his philosophy. Neither would Peter Kostis or Hank Haney since both are proponents of keeping your eye on the ball through impact.

No one is arguing posture isn't important. It is probably the most important thing for consistency;however, it is the fool that doesn't think keeping your eye on the ball is ultra important. When a good player (2-3 handicap or less) hits a ball heavy or fat, there is a 99% chance he looked up before he made contact. Seen it a million times, done it a million times.

 

[truefan]

Bringing up Jack Nicklaus in the same breath as David Duval is totally absurd and quite honestly, unbelievably ignorant.

Duval was like a $0.98 bottle rocket. Jack has won 18 majors

And Bill, again, your affirmation is as irrelevant as you

 

[volfanbill]

Bringing up Jack Nicklaus in the same breath as David Duval is totally absurd and quite honestly, unbelievably ignorant.

Duval was like a $0.98 bottle rocket. Jack has won 18 majors

And Bill, again, your affirmation is as irrelevant as you

In the grand scheme of things, you are just as irrelevant, so quit your holier than thou approach and some might take you more seriously.

 

[UT IE 95]

There many schools of thought on the golf swing. simply providing some teacher's own explanation isn't going to change my opinion. And what did he say ? 2 inches...boy

I don't agree with his philosophy. Neither would Peter Kostis or Hank Haney since both are proponents of keeping your eye on the ball through impact.

No one is arguing posture isn't important. It is probably the most important thing for consistency;however, it is the fool that doesn't think keeping your eye on the ball is ultra important. When a good player (2-3 handicap or less) hits a ball heavy or fat, there is a 99% chance he looked up before he made contact. Seen it a million times, done it a million times.

I'm done with this. I've done all I can to show your erroneous teaching tip on a board. I just hope the person you gave the advice to doesn't take it literally.

Lastly - I never compared Jack and Duval. You minimized Duval's swing by saying he hasn't been a top pro for many years. There are many players that were ranked #1 in the world, but no longer are.