The Greatest offensive line in CFB couldn't convert game winning 3rd and 1

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Cartervol said:
This offensive coordinator needs to show something next year. If not he's going to help get Butch out of here sooner rather than later. The defense was bad at times, but the offensive play calling and the repetitiveness of the calls were absolute garbage at times..

Did anyone see a pass to the TE all year? If we did i must of missed the one attempt we tried..
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we tried several times with one nice completion but we do not have a tight end period. Remember him stumbling over the turf wide open? No excuse for the 3rd and one call with them blitzing right where we were running, if we had thrown a curl it would have gone for a td assuming Dobbs could throw and someone could catch it.
 
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On this 3rd and 1,play I was hoping we would see the play we used on 4th and short against UGA.

Line up and have everything look like its going to the right and then flick the ball back to the left and let the rb get to the edge.

Probably would have been a big gain and closed out the game.
 
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I like Butch and I do believe he will get it done. But I do think we need a new offensive coordinator.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
On this 3rd and 1,play I was hoping we would see the play we used on 4th and short against UGA.

Line up and have everything look like its going to the right and then flick the ball back to the left and let the rb get to the edge.

Probably would have been a big gain and closed out the game.
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That has been an effective sandlot play for years! :yes:
 
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SpringBokVol said:
On this 3rd and 1,play I was hoping we would see the play we used on 4th and short against UGA.

Line up and have everything look like its going to the right and then flick the ball back to the left and let the rb get to the edge.

Probably would have been a big gain and closed out the game.
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good point and agree.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
On this 3rd and 1,play I was hoping we would see the play we used on 4th and short against UGA.

Line up and have everything look like its going to the right and then flick the ball back to the left and let the rb get to the edge.

Probably would have been a big gain and closed out the game.
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Playing not to lose

I remember that years ago
 
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SpringBokVol said:
On this 3rd and 1,play I was hoping we would see the play we used on 4th and short against UGA.

Line up and have everything look like its going to the right and then flick the ball back to the left and let the rb get to the edge.

Probably would have been a big gain and closed out the game.
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Bajak had a few high points in the season. That being one of them.
 
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After the SC game we ended up playing a true freshman kid against some top-10 teams. A true frosh who had not even taken second team snaps all year and was not an early enrollee. So it's unfair to judge the coaching staff and Dobbs entirely on this season.

Coaches: We got a chance to see what they could do in developing a less-talented but somewhat experienced QB and a shallow but mostly healthy young team up to the SC game, then it got derailed and they spent the rest of the season holding things together with duct tape and bailing wire so yes their ability to game-plan changed. Let's not forget how CBJ and staff outcoached the living daylights out of the ol' Ballsack and his top-10 Gamecocks. That counts for something.

Dobbs: WR's can't catch. Can't get open. No TE (we were down to playing Stocstill, a walk-on) in an offense that desperately needs one. On one INT last week the WR fell down. Later he hit Josh Smith in the grill with a long pass that should have set up a TD but of course Smith dropped it in embarrassing fashion. No help from the rest of the team. The OL, if it's the juggernaut it's supposed to be, should've manned up and let the running game take the pressure off Dobbs. Not to mention that if Pig hadn't committed that STUPID blocking penalty, Dobbs would've been the hero of this game for running in the TD that ended up being the difference in the game. His all-world kicker/punter, who has helped him all along, suddenly forgot how to be a kicker or punter on senior night.

I believe we have enough legitimate evidence to see that the coaching staff can be good but they need depth to do what they want to do. They are not their best when out of players and dealing with a losing mentality. Thankfully they are doing exactly what it will take, which is banging home a #1 recruiting class or two. They need weapons, and it's not really fair for us to judge them when they haven't had any.

On the QB situation, Worley and Dobbs have gained valuable experience. Peterman gained experience that is a negative, and needs to be overwritten in his mind. So Worley and Dobbs took steps forward, Peterman took a huge step back and Ferguson is still exactly where he started (mostly due to the injury). We still don't have "the answer" for next year, but we have some good questions to develop out looking for that answer.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
After the SC game we ended up playing a true freshman kid against some top-10 teams. A true frosh who had not even taken second team snaps all year and was not an early enrollee. So it's unfair to judge the coaching staff and Dobbs entirely on this season.

Coaches: We got a chance to see what they could do in developing a less-talented but somewhat experienced QB and a shallow but mostly healthy young team up to the SC game, then it got derailed and they spent the rest of the season holding things together with duct tape and bailing wire so yes their ability to game-plan changed. Let's not forget how CBJ and staff outcoached the living daylights out of the ol' Ballsack and his top-10 Gamecocks. That counts for something.

Dobbs: WR's can't catch. Can't get open. No TE (we were down to playing Stocstill, a walk-on) in an offense that desperately needs one. On one INT last week the WR fell down. Later he hit Josh Smith in the grill with a long pass that should have set up a TD but of course Smith dropped it in embarrassing fashion. No help from the rest of the team. The OL, if it's the juggernaut it's supposed to be, should've manned up and let the running game take the pressure off Dobbs. Not to mention that if Pig hadn't committed that STUPID blocking penalty, Dobbs would've been the hero of this game for running in the TD that ended up being the difference in the game. His all-world kicker/punter, who has helped him all along, suddenly forgot how to be a kicker or punter on senior night.

I believe we have enough legitimate evidence to see that the coaching staff can be good but they need depth to do what they want to do. They are not their best when out of players and dealing with a losing mentality. Thankfully they are doing exactly what it will take, which is banging home a #1 recruiting class or two. They need weapons, and it's not really fair for us to judge them when they haven't had any.

On the QB situation, Worley and Dobbs have gained valuable experience. Peterman gained experience that is a negative, and needs to be overwritten in his mind. So Worley and Dobbs took steps forward, Peterman took a huge step back and Ferguson is still exactly where he started (mostly due to the injury). We still don't have "the answer" for next year, but we have some good questions to develop out looking for that answer.
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:salute:Best Post of the post Vandy game. Perspective! And it came from Dagnabbit, AL.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Keep in mind we had a competent QB against SC.
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I couldn't agree more. I really think with a year to learn Worley can be a solid Qb next year. The East was SO bad this year, it made teams like Vandy and Mizzou look like world beaters at times. In a average year for Fla, Ga or Ut, the average margin if victory of the black and golds would be around 17-20.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Those are my thoughts exactly. Two weeks and plenty of Vandy game film to watch, and we came out and did absolutely zero on offense for 3.5 quarters.

Couple that with regression during the season on special teams and basic football skills, and I'm left wondering what in the world is going on during the practices each week.
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me, three

the vandy game may have just been one of those anomalies when the better team manages to lose -- like we saw SC do in neyland earlier this year. fulmer lost to memphis state, majors lost to rutgers, and so on.

sure raises a lot of questions, however. many more will come up if team 117 dumps to kensucky.
 
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tm3 said:
me, three

the vandy game may have just been one of those anomalies when the better team manages to lose -- like we saw SC do in neyland earlier this year. fulmer lost to memphis state, majors lost to rutgers, and so on.

sure raises a lot of questions, however. many more will come up if team 117 dumps to kensucky.
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We weren't the better team. We caused 4 turnovers but only netted 7 points from them. That's pathetic and inexcusable.
 
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I wonder how much those 2 idiotic runs at the end of the 1st and 3rd Quarter hurt our OL. One was from the 16 yard line at the end of the 1st and the other was at the 15 at the end of the 3rd Quarter.

That's an extra 138 yards they had to jog/run during a physical game with pads on. I hate that gimmick.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Our oline being highly touted is just one of the most puzzling things ever. We cant rum or throw. Yet every pregame scouting report... Great offensive line!
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imo the proof will come on NFL draft day. NFL guys don't always get it right, but they are right more often than not as tens of millions are on the line (no pun intended).

if this O line is really NFL quality but it couldn't be brought out by the Greatest Coaching Staff in America, well ......
 
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chattavol420 said:
Our oline being highly touted is just one of the most puzzling things ever. We cant rum or throw. Yet every pregame scouting report... Great offensive line!
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Georgia RBs got 3.8ypc and 116 total rush yards.

Florida RBs got 3.2ypc and 79 total rush yards.

South Carolina RBs got 4.1ypc and 113 total rush yards.

UT RBs got 4.8ypc and 148 total rush yards.

All of those teams also had competent QB play save for maybe Florida. USC and Georgia definitely did.

Vandy, with the way Dobbs and the WRs were playing could just load the box. UT still outperformed, by a fair to wide margin, 3 other SEC teams. Mizzou and TAMU ran the ball better, but there is a world of difference between Dobbs and Manziel/Franklin.

Oh, wait. Facts. Don't let them get in the way of your conjecture.
 
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DC Vol said:
Georgia RBs got 3.8ypc and 116 total rush yards. << 31 rushes

Florida RBs got 3.2ypc and 79 total rush yards. << 25 rushes

South Carolina RBs got 4.1ypc and 113 total rush yards. << 28 rushes

UT RBs got 4.8ypc and 148 total rush yards. << 31 rushes

All of those teams also had competent QB play save for maybe Florida. USC and Georgia definitely did.

Vandy, with the way Dobbs and the WRs were playing could just load the box. UT still outperformed, by a fair to wide margin, 3 other SEC teams. Mizzou and TAMU ran the ball better, but there is a world of difference between Dobbs and Manziel/Franklin.

Oh, wait. Facts. Don't let them get in the way of your conjecture.
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Nice stats. I appreciate the work there. I added the # of rushes based on your info, which I assume is legit. Higher ypc on more carries is impressive. However, it's the few yards we needed here or there, one or two at a time when the game was really on the line, that's the issue. Along with consistent penalties at really bad times.

I guess the real conclusion here is that the line is good, they're just not clutch.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Greatest Staff in America called a play that didnt allow our Team to convert a game winning 3rd and 1
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This. They stacked the box with like 9 guys and I recall thinking ain't no way that's going to work. Should have been an audible or timeout IMO, but we do have a frosh QB.

Would have been better off just trying a QB sneak IMO, but I think it was a long 1, more like a yard and a half.
 
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Chaney and his fast 3 drop pass he had Bray do made the offensive line look good they were never good at run blocking and they was not good at pass blocking over 3 seconds. it showed this year
 
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DC Vol said:
Georgia RBs got 3.8ypc and 116 total rush yards.

Florida RBs got 3.2ypc and 79 total rush yards.

South Carolina RBs got 4.1ypc and 113 total rush yards.

UT RBs got 4.8ypc and 148 total rush yards.

All of those teams also had competent QB play save for maybe Florida. USC and Georgia definitely did.

Vandy, with the way Dobbs and the WRs were playing could just load the box. UT still outperformed, by a fair to wide margin, 3 other SEC teams. Mizzou and TAMU ran the ball better, but there is a world of difference between Dobbs and Manziel/Franklin.

Oh, wait. Facts. Don't let them get in the way of your conjecture.
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Boom. What I have been saying all year. OL might not be quite as good as anticipated, but still very good.

Let me add that we average 186 yards per game for the season. The last time we did that well was 2004 at....186 yards per game. Prior to that, go back to 1998 when we got 204 per game.

So you can literally say that this is our best run game since the national championship year...or the best in 15 years, however you want to state it.

And yet...."our OL sucks". I can only imagine that people are frustrated with the season and need to lash out at something so the OL makes a nice target. Because that is not a "facts based" opinion.

And yes, done with a true frosh at QB against an absolute KILLER schedule....5 top 10 teams and 3 other top 20 teams and including the no. 1 and no. 2 teams on the road....simply brutal and no pass attack to take pressure off run game.

And before someone can say it's because we have so many attempts...we don't. Our per carry average is BETTER than 2004!
 
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