The Greatest offensive line in CFB couldn't convert game winning 3rd and 1

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#76
rockytop114 said:
Chaney and his fast 3 drop pass he had Bray do made the offensive line look good they were never good at run blocking and they was not good at pass blocking over 3 seconds. it showed this year
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I think there is something to be said about Bray getting rid of the ball quickly, but then again he had really good WRs who could get open also, and was in his third year as a starting QB. For all that, we only allow 1.27 sacks per game, tied for 25th in the country. Which isn't great, but it doesn't suck either.

But anyone who says "the OL can't run block" is not being factual. As I post above, this is our best running game since 1998, when we won the NC, and the numbers have not been inflated by a high number of rush attempts.

It's simply ridiculous to say the OL can't run block. Does our offense overall suck? Yes, but it's because our passing game sucks, not the OL.
 
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DC Vol said:
I wonder how much those 2 idiotic runs at the end of the 1st and 3rd Quarter hurt our OL. One was from the 16 yard line at the end of the 1st and the other was at the 15 at the end of the 3rd Quarter.

That's an extra 138 yards they had to jog/run during a physical game with pads on. I hate that gimmick.
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That's because the scouts ACTUALLY DO KNOW MORE THAN YOU.

They are PAID PROFESSIONALS.

Come on man.....:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
 
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BanditVol said:
I think there is something to be said about Bray getting rid of the ball quickly, but then again he had really good WRs who could get open also, and was in his third year as a starting QB. For all that, we only allow 1.27 sacks per game, tied for 25th in the country. Which isn't great, but it doesn't suck either.

But anyone who says "the OL can't run block" is not being factual. As I post above, this is our best running game since 1998, when we won the NC, and the numbers have not been inflated by a high number of rush attempts.

It's simply ridiculous to say the OL can't run block. Does our offense overall suck? Yes, but it's because our passing game sucks, not the OL.
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I think its just that the read option looks bad when you can,t pass or the QB don't run. to me most of the games this year have been boring. i miss the cutcliff offense there i said it.


I was wrong before this season they couldn't run block kind of got it going last year but its never been grained into them.
 
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jamesthesame said:
The thing with the TE is I don't believe Butch really uses one. When he got hired the Cincinnati boards were saying that Butch never uses a TE.
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Really? Do you just believe what you read or care to research it. Travis Kelce, now in the NFL, led Cincy last year in receptions (45) and had 8 TD's. I guess Butch doesn't use the TE.
 
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TucsonVol said:
We had to have has one of the worst offensive lines in the country!! CBJ needs to step up and show a lot of improvement in 2014!!!! It's all about the coaching!!!
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Yea, don't worry about having to play Carter, Blanc, Toney, Swaufford, Arnold, Probst, Brewer, Sapp, Hood, etc., all former walk-ons or two star recruits. Or a true freshman QB at that. It's all about the coaching.
 
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A lot of people on VN were saying this line was built for an I formation, 2 TE set even though they have never played in that formation.

We line up in an I formation 2 TE set multiple times on Saturday and I believe our longest run was 2 yards.

As the great Inky Johnson said "a coach can scheme, a coach can X and O all day, but at the end of the day you got to come across this line to see me, you gotta come across this line to see my man, so at the end of the day the game boils down to mano a mano, how bad do you want it."
 
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It's hindsight and the game is over but it looked to me that they completely sold out on the inside rush. If Dobbs had kept the ball he could have run for a while. I deleted the game as soon as Vandy scored so I can't go back and check.
 
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mgu7 said:
We had the game in the bag. Offense lost this game. I don't know why Cam Sutton is blamed.
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That last big pass was not on Sutton, it was on the linebacker he was supposed to be there helping & wasn't. Our players were out of position as they have been all year
 
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tm3 said:
me, three

the vandy game may have just been one of those anomalies when the better team manages to lose -- like we saw SC do in neyland earlier this year. fulmer lost to memphis state, majors lost to rutgers, and so on.

sure raises a lot of questions, however. many more will come up if team 117 dumps to kensucky.
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At this point Kentucky is a tossup. Jancek can't stop the run, we aren't putting up any points with Dobbs and Josh Football Fists Smith, and if Palardy forgets his foot like he did last week...well...it's gonna be ugly quick.
 
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allvol123 said:
People know what Alabama is bringing on 3rd and 1 and they still don't stop it.

It's players.
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Fair enough, but calling a play that involves tossing the ball to a back who is 10 yards deep on 3rd and 1 isn't building any confidence in the staff calling the plays.
 
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DC Vol said:
I wonder how much those 2 idiotic runs at the end of the 1st and 3rd Quarter hurt our OL. One was from the 16 yard line at the end of the 1st and the other was at the 15 at the end of the 3rd Quarter.

That's an extra 138 yards they had to jog/run during a physical game with pads on. I hate that gimmick.
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DCVol Gets It and somebody else doesn't..

PREACH BROTHER
 
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allvol123 said:
LSU does it all the time.
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We...are not LSU. Our O-Line has shown game in and game out, that they can get almost zero push when the box is stacked. So for us on 3 and 1 the farther the ball carrier is from the line, the less likely we are of getting positive yardage.

So why call the play if you know the players have little to no chance of executing?
 
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BeardedVol said:
We...are not LSU. Our O-Line has shown game in and game out, that they can get almost zero push when the box is stacked. So for us on 3 and 1 the farther the ball carrier is from the line, the less likely we are of getting positive yardage.

So why call the play if you know the players have little to no chance of executing?
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So the coaches either wanted to fail or were too dumb to know it would? I pick neither.

They expected their players to execute.
 
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This was supposed to be the best OL in the SEC, but they couldn't get 1 yard. They manhandled SC. I don't care if Dobbs packs a freaking lunch back there then give the ball to Neal why couldn't they blow people 5-6 yards off the line? Everyone in the stadium knew what was coming. A running play. Sometimes it comes down to desire and willpower and absolutely dominating at the LOS and forcing your will onto the opponent. IMHO If you can't get 1 yard when needed then you don't deserve to win!
 
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allvol123 said:
So the coaches either wanted to fail or were too dumb to know it would? I pick neither.

They expected their players to execute.
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Maybe "dumb" is a poor choice of word...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Why would the coaches expect them to execute a play that they have shown all season that they cannot consistently execute? It's poor play-calling no matter which way you cut it. Unless you want to go the insanity route.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Maybe "dumb" is a poor choice of word...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Why would the coaches expect them to execute a play that they have shown all season that they cannot consistently execute? It's poor play-calling no matter which way you cut it. Unless you want to go the insanity route.
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Do you know our conversion rate on 3rd and short for the season when running between the tackles?
 
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