The Ground Zero mosque is a bad idea and shouldn't be permitted.

[lumberjack4]

Which are we dealing with?

Is this just a religious establishment?

Or, would this be akin to allowing the Japanese to build a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor in 1942?

I feel that I have been very clear where I stand, if the Japanese wanted to build a cultural center next to Pearl Harbor on private land that I would be against the US government coming in and saying no.

 

[droski]

i very much doubt the japanese woudl have let us build a cultural center 10 years after hiroshima at the site of the impact.

 

[sjt18]

I feel that I have been very clear where I stand, if the Japanese wanted to build a cultural center next to Pearl Harbor on private land that I would be against the US government coming in and saying no.

Really? In 1942?

The question is whether this is a political thing or a religious thing. From a Constitutional perspective, it is of paramount importance. The USC does NOT protect spies or other subversives under the 1st Amendment.

 

[sjt18]

i very much doubt the japanese woudl have let us build a cultural center 10 years after hiroshima at the site of the impact.

Probably a better example than mine. That would not have been viewed a move toward "healing".

 

[lumberjack4]

Really? In 1942?

The question is whether this is a political thing or a religious thing. From a Constitutional perspective, it is of paramount importance. The USC does NOT protect spies or other subversives under the 1st Amendment.

Missed the 1942 part. I was speaking in today's terms. In 1942 we were at war with Japan. Last time I checked we have not declared war on Islam or every mosque in this country would be shut down.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

 

[CSpindizzy]

Missed the 1942 part. I was speaking in today's terms. In 1942 we were at war with Japan. Last time I checked we have not declared war on Islam or every mosque in this country would be shut down.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

According to many on the Left, our racist country is at war with Islam and are trying to wipe Muslims out of our country. I mean all of this fuss about one place seems to be code for eradication of Islam from America.

 

[CSpindizzy]

This should stir things up:
Ground Zero Muslim center may get public financing | Reuters

 

[lumberjack4]

There doesnt appear to be any special trestment here based on what I read. That being said, I'm against tax breaks to all religious institutions and feel the practice should be stopped immediately.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

 

[BeecherVol]

There is a difference in public funding and tax exempt.

 

[Roughneck]

It's not a mosque and it's not at ground zero.

 

[CSpindizzy]

It's not a mosque and it's not at ground zero.

We've been over this. The actual project is a community center that CONTAINS A MOSQUE. Straight from the source. If you cannot accept this as fact then you are helpless.

 

[gsvol]

Is it a bad idea? Yeah more bad than good. But to say it shouldn't be permitted is complete and utter BS gs and you know it.

No BS about it, we have not only the right
but the duty to confiscate the funds and
end the operations of any organization that
attempts to overthrow the United States
government, (and by extention seek to
conquer and rule the citizens of the USA,)
and the Muslim Brotherhood is seeking (and
has even publicly stated so) to do just that
and is behind the naziesque ground zero
mosque/community center project.

It isn't about religious freedom, if so there
wouldn't be over 100 mosques in NY City
alone!!

The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in
Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel
and Jordan and highly suppressed in other
states, many of whom are predominately
islamic.

Isn't it about time you picked up on at
least one tiny clue!!!!

I don't think the government should step in and stop it being built. What I'm hoping for is that the people behind the planned center/mosque see the public outcry and decide that building on this site would be counter to their stated goals and opt to build elsewhere. If they decide to go forward they accept the backlash that results.

Surely you jest!!

Should we stop building skyscrapers since it will only encourage the terrorists to fly a plane into them? Should we convert to Sharia Law because if we don't it will only encourage the terrorists to attack us? Seems like we should trade one bogus religion for another to appease the terrorists.

Are you related to Neville Chamberlain??

(In reference to your handle, Sean Duffy, the winning Republican candidate for the vacated seat of ultra liberal Obey from Wisconsin's 7th district, is a world champion lumberjack and at one time held the world record for tree climbing, he's no dummy either, he has been a very successful Atorney General that has run unopposed several times.)

 

[Roughneck]

We've been over this. The actual project is a community center that CONTAINS A MOSQUE. Straight from the source. If you cannot accept this as fact then you are helpless.

What the hell are you talking about? Is that directed to me or in general?

 

[CSpindizzy]

You said it was not a mosque. The group building this says there is one part of the project. Either accept this as fact coming directly from them or just be helpless to the truth.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

as i said before we dont' permit a lot of things to be built. seems like we are actually going out of our way to do things we wouldn't do for other people if we bow tot he pressure and allow it to be built.

funny you say that because, if you ask me, bowing to the pressure would be revoking the permit. It would show a sign of weak intolerance and it would prove to the world that we're not as free of insecurity as we'd like to think we are.

And about your previous post... you're comparing an apartment complex to a religious establishment, which is asinine.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

You said it was not a mosque. The group building this says there is one part of the project. Either accept this as fact coming directly from them or just be helpless to the truth.

I'm aware that it will contain a mosque, but it's still a Muslim Center with a mosque, not just a mosque. This disproves the "banner of conquest" horsecrap that certain people are using to rationalize their fear of Islam.

 

[Roughneck]

You said it was not a mosque. The group building this says there is one part of the project. Either accept this as fact coming directly from them or just be helpless to the truth.

My house has a kitchen, therefore my house is actually a kitchen.

Yep, that makes perfect sense.

 

[lumberjack4]

Even I, who doesn't care, can tell that this follows along with the victory mosque paradigm. I just don't see that as a good enough reason to deny it.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Even I, who doesn't care, can tell that this follows along with the victory mosque paradigm. I just don't see that as a good enough reason to deny it.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

Unless Al-Qaeda is building it, there's no victory to celebrate.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I'm aware that it will contain a mosque, but it's still a Muslim Center with a mosque, not just a mosque. This disproves the "banner of conquest" horsecrap that certain people are using to rationalize their fear of Islam.

I never said it was "just a mosque" first of all. And how does a "mosque and then some" disprove anything? Third question, who said they had a fear of Islam? Wow. Talk about kneejerk impulsive reaction here.

 

[CSpindizzy]

My house has a kitchen, therefore my house is actually a kitchen.

Yep, that makes perfect sense.

Last I checked, a mosque is a mosque. If there is a mosque there, there is a mosque there. Follow the logic? Are you seriously that inept? I'm more inclined to go with the actual mosque portion being the bigger issue than the supposedly feel good warm and fuzzy tolerance center that clearly defeated its purpose before even getting off the ground.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Even I, who doesn't care, can tell that this follows along with the victory mosque paradigm. I just don't see that as a good enough reason to deny it.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

So you are telling me that having a mosque right here at this location holds NO value for those of like mind who orchestrated 9/11? You are telling me this holds NO value for al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbollah, the Taliban, or any other group?

 

[Roughneck]

Last I checked, a mosque is a mosque. If there is a mosque there, there is a mosque there. Follow the logic? Are you seriously that inept? I'm more inclined to go with the actual mosque portion being the bigger issue than the supposedly feel good warm and fuzzy tolerance center that clearly defeated its purpose before even getting off the ground.

Calling it a mosque is like calling the YMCA a church. This is essentially the same thing. Why can't you understand this? What are you say afraid of?

edit: It's also not at ground zero which for some reason no one wants to talk about.

 

[gsvol]

Agreed, but it saying that in public=racism/ignorance...

No, saying it in public = having the courage and
good sense to stand up for one's convictions
express what is right and wrong!!!

Missed the 1942 part. I was speaking in today's terms. In 1942 we were at war with Japan. Last time I checked we have not declared war on Islam or every mosque in this country would be shut down.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

In 1942 we were at war with the Muslim Brotherhood
who fielded more than one division of crack Nazi SS
troops!!!!

The Muslim Brotherhood - Precursor to Today's Islamic Terroist Organizations

In 1942, Hassan al BANNA established additional
branches of the Muslim Brotherhood in Transjordan
and Palestine and moved the Syrian headquarters
to Damascus in 1944.
--------------------------------

As a result, ASSAD had the Syrian parliament declare
membership with the Muslim Brotherhood a capital
offense and sent his army to root out its members.

My uncle served as a Marine in WWII and he hated
the muslims worst than nazis or the japanese.

In his experience the muslims were not just fighting
a war, they took joy in bloodthirsty acts against his
fellow servicemen.

'Lumberjack' sounds like such a rugged name,
I'll bet you sleep with rattlesnakes in your bedroll!

Same thing as a ground zero mosque in NY City!!

Thanks but no thanks!!!!

 

[lumberjack4]

So you are telling me that having a mosque right here at this location holds NO value for those of like mind who orchestrated 9/11? You are telling me this holds NO value for al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbollah, the Taliban, or any other group?

I encourage one day to read my posts. Yes it holds value to all those groups.
Posted via VolNation Mobile