The headline should say, "Illegal alien shot by officers defending US border"

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VOLinthaATL said:
Might be a reason but THE reason is if they do this the libs know they will lose tons of votes. Let's be honest.
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The republicans are complicit in this problem as well. Let's just be honest about it and admit it's a multifaceted problem, repubs like the cheap labor, dems like votes, both think it's better and arguably less expensive to deal with this problem than dealing with a communist country at our door step.
 
#52
#52
volinbham said:
We depend on cheap mobile labor just like we depend on foreign oil.

Secure the border, establish a guest worker program and let's get on to other things.
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Do you honestly think that we'll ever really be able to secure the border?
 
#53
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OWB said:
Do you honestly think that we'll ever really be able to secure the border?
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We could but we won't; too many people are for open borders or feel it violates rights.

The guest worker program, path to citizenship, etc. CANNOT work with a secure border.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Old school domino theory drove our foreign policy for years. The idea was that governments will topple like dominos as communism starts to move. It was our impetus in Korea and Vietnam.

Insulation would be the excuse the Soviets used for surrounding itself with like minded governments, by force or otherwise. It's simply a buffer to keep bad guys off the doorstep.

Staging base for military. Much the same reason we have strategic installations worldwide. It's why we're in Iraq and spend foreign aid cash.
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Thanks. That Helps a lot
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OWB said:
We're already dealing with their mess and will continue to do so. Why not get some natural resources and more land out of it amongst other things? I tend to think they like where they live, they're just broke. If the "American Dream" came to them, perhaps they would be happy enough to live it down there? I realize it's not that simple and probably won't happen in our lifetime, but I think it will happen one day.
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When we are done with that, I say we take Canada too.
 
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OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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TruthIsOutThere said:
OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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not a cop, but I would imagine that rocks would be considered potentially deadly force.
 
#60
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TruthIsOutThere said:
OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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Depends on the size of the rocks.

Anything can be used as a deadly weapon. Hands, feet, pencils etc.

Doesnt always have to be a knife or gun.
 
#61
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I have seen many cases of a suspect overwhelming an officer with his fists, the bottom line is it's a discretion call. If the officer feels the situation could easily escalate and he or other officers can be harmed or killed he is authorized to use deadly force.
 
#62
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OWB said:
The United States of Amexicanda has a nice ring to it.
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NAU? NAFTA? I heard that George W signed a bill in 07 I believe that gave sovereignty (sp) to the Continent over the individual nations. North American Prosperity Act or some ish. (I obv don't understand the ins and outs but sounds crazy)
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#63
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TruthIsOutThere said:
OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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Just heard a report that indicated the Border Patrol does consider rocks a deadly weapon.

Also, the victim has a smuggling rap sheet, is on a most wanted list for smuggling and has been deported 5 times.
 
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volinbham said:
Just heard a report that indicated the Border Patrol does consider rocks a deadly weapon.

Also, the victim has a smuggling rap sheet, is on a most wanted list for smuggling and has been deported 5 times.
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Makes the highlighted seem a bit out of place.
 
#66
#66
TruthIsOutThere said:
OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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according to the border patrol it does

T.J. Bonner, president of the union representing Border Patrol agents, said rock throwing aimed at Border Patrol agents is common and capable of causing serious injury.
"It is a deadly force encounter, one that justifies the use of deadly force," Bonner said.
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#67
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utvolpj said:
according to the border patrol it does
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I know it's not fair for someone to get killed for throwing stones, but I hope there is no penalty or anything in this case. I don't want it to get more to the point where boarder control is considered irrelevant and able to be ignored.
 
#68
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TruthIsOutThere said:
OK - politics aside - I have a question for the cops on this board. Does rock throwing validate use of deadly force in standard police rules of engagement? Just curious and have no idea - but for some reason it sounds harsh.
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If it is simple as you describe, nope, you'll get a few administrative days off.
 
#69
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volinbham said:
Also, the victim has a smuggling rap sheet, is on a most wanted list for smuggling and has been deported 5 times.
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At 15 years of age, he had accomplished more than I had when I was 15. I was still trying to figure out how to break into my Dad's locked Playboy chest.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now they are being portrayed in the same manner Palestinians are when they are compared to Israelis.

The Jews have guns while the Palestinians just have rocks and bottles.
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I seem to recall a story of Bostonians throwing rocks at British soldiers, at which point British soldiers fired into the crowd killing a kid. That **** led to a revolution.

Don't mind me, just trolling along.
 
#71
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Weezy said:
I seem to recall a story of Bostonians throwing rocks at British soldiers, at which point British soldiers fired into the crowd killing a kid. That **** led to a revolution.

Don't mind me, just trolling along.
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hardly.
 
#73
#73
I can see the point that there was no single act that led to it, but the Boston Massacre certainly helped. Anyways, I really don't want to derail the rant here.
 
#74
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Weezy said:
I can see the point that there was no single act that led to it, but the Boston Massacre certainly helped.
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it did, but was was only a tiny piece. The tax bill and condescension did the deed.
 
#75
#75
A percentage of the masses can only be swayed by these types of acts and the imagery that follows it, Samuel Adams realized this.
 
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