The Holly Bobo Kidnapping

[VolsSportsFan]

OR there was a DNA match.

Does anyone else not think it's weird that this guy got arrested for a completely unrelated aggravated assault charge, and then all the sudden they've connected him with the Bobo case? What allowed them to make that connection? I doubt he or one of his friends was like "Ya know, while I'm here, I thought I'd tell you that I killed Holly Bobo."

What we do know for a fact is that Tennessee collects DNA from people arrested for aggravated assault. I'm just guessing that the DNA they took last week matched up with previously unmatched DNA at the crime scene and that's what got the ball rolling.

Just seems like too much of a coincidence that after three years, he or his friends would decide to talk at the exact same time he got arrested on another matter (especially considering he's been arrested a bunch of times between her disappearance and now for offenses that don't require DNA collection and nothing came up on those occasions). Something pretty definitive must have popped up for things to move so fast.

This post confuses me. Your second paragraph answers your first paragraph, so why does it seem strange to you? If they do have a DNA match, that's not something you'd be able to quickly talk your way out of, especially in a high profile case like this.

 

[Sloan]

This post confuses me. Your second paragraph answers your first paragraph, so why does it seem strange to you? If they do have a DNA match, that's not something you'd be able to quickly talk your way out of, especially in a high profile case like this.

That's my point. Nobody else (including the media) is talking about the possibility of a DNA match, which is weird to me. It's like everybody forgets that there was blood found at the scene (probably because the media barely mentioned it). I'm saying a DNA match seems much more likely to have gotten the ball rolling than the idea that he or one of his friends randomly decided to talk, or they just so happened to stumble upon other evidence, like others have been speculating. I think they probably got a DNA match first, then that led to warrants which hopefully led to other evidence and/or people talking.

What will be interesting is that if they come out and say a DNA match is what got things going, the media should be smart enough to ask why the heck they didn't make the match way back in July 2011 when Adams was also arrested for aggravated assault. That would be a pretty big miss. All his other arrests haven't been offenses that required DNA collection (at least not after 2009, when TN started collecting DNA from arrestees). Just July 2011 and this aggravated assault from a week ago.


It would be ridiculous if that Facebook post references Bobo. How stupid do you have to be to kidnap and kill someone, then post about it on Facebook? And then leave it there throughout three years of investigating? I'm sure this guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but that would be pretty absurd...

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

probably irrelevant, and that he could snacth her at 7:30, kill her and post on his facbook 9 minutes later

Actually, if I'm his lawyer, I use it in his defense.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you how does my client make this post a mere nine minutes after the incident was said to have occurred? Are we to believe that he stopped mid-abduction to post on Facebook?"

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

or the 7:30 from her brother is not accurate.

I'm still feeling there is something not accurate about the brother's story...

 

[vol_in_ar]

I'm still feeling there is something not accurate about the brother's story...

ditto, hope he comes out clean, but from the beginning I've thought he looked guilty

 

[CaVOLfn]

I remember having this discussion right after the fact.

No way anything remotely like his account happens and im not all over it.

even if it didnt seem like an altercation, i would ask why she is walking into the woods.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

That's my point. Nobody else (including the media) is talking about the possibility of a DNA match, which is weird to me. It's like everybody forgets that there was blood found at the scene (probably because the media barely mentioned it). I'm saying a DNA match seems much more likely to have gotten the ball rolling than the idea that he or one of his friends randomly decided to talk, or they just so happened to stumble upon other evidence, like others have been speculating. I think they probably got a DNA match first, then that led to warrants which hopefully led to other evidence and/or people talking.

What will be interesting is that if they come out and say a DNA match is what got things going, the media should be smart enough to ask why the heck they didn't make the match way back in July 2011 when Adams was also arrested for aggravated assault. That would be a pretty big miss. All his other arrests haven't been offenses that required DNA collection (at least not after 2009, when TN started collecting DNA from arrestees). Just July 2011 and this aggravated assault from a week ago.


It would be ridiculous if that Facebook post references Bobo. How stupid do you have to be to kidnap and kill someone, then post about it on Facebook? And then leave it there throughout three years of investigating? I'm sure this guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but that would be pretty absurd...

Ah, now I get what you were saying. Honestly I didn't know the media hadn't addressed a possible DNA match.

The Facebook thing is interesting, but hardly anything close to actual evidence. It's one of those things if he ends up being guilty, then yeah you can connect, but otherwise it's just post.

 

[CaVOLfn]

If posted on Facebook Mobile, facebook should be able to tell you where the post was sent from.

 

[davethevol]

I remember having this discussion right after the fact.

No way anything remotely like his account happens and im not all over it.

even if it didnt seem like an altercation, i would ask why she is walking into the woods.

I agree. I hope he wasn't involved, but his version and lack of concern at the time is odd.

 

[ainge10heisman]

I agree. I hope he wasn't involved, but his version and lack of concern at the time is odd.

When the story first broke he seemed very guilty, his story just didn't really add up. Im sure a lot of us felt this way, but then he was cleared by the police. It wouldn't surprise me if he really had his hand in it by the time this is over.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

When the story first broke he seemed very guilty, his story just didn't really add up. Im sure a lot of us felt this way, but then he was cleared by the police. It wouldn't surprise me if he really had his hand in it by the time this is over.

I look at it this way. My sister and I do not have the best relationship, but if I wake up some random morning and see her going into the woods with a stranger, I'm going to investigate. I'm not going to say whoopidido it "looks" like a boyfriend and go back to my routine.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Okay, after reading up on some things on other sites, I have come to the conclusion that the brother is either mentally challenged or outright guilty of something.
Can anyone speak to this guys mental capacity?

 

[davethevol]

Okay, after reading up on some things on other sites, I have come to the conclusion that the brother is either mentally challenged or outright guilty of something.
Can anyone speak to this guys mental capacity?

He might not be very intelligent, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's mentally challenged. He did seem to have big inconsistencies in his story though. I still don't know how a neighbor heard screams and he didn't.

 

[ainge10heisman]

I look at it this way. My sister and I do not have the best relationship, but if I wake up some random morning and see her going into the woods with a stranger, I'm going to investigate. I'm not going to say whoopidido it "looks" like a boyfriend and go back to my routine.

Exactly, at the very least you're going to yell "hey what ya'll doing?" Following some guy in the woods at 7:30 in the morning seems very out of character for Holly from everything I've read, and anyone close to her would know that.

 

[InVOLuntary]

How old was the brother at the time?

 

[Coug]

For those that think the brother was involved what would be his motivation for allowing his sister to be kidnapped and eventually killed?

 

[InVOLuntary]

I see her brother was 25 at the time. That's puzzling to say the least.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

For those that think the brother was involved what would be his motivation for allowing his sister to be kidnapped and eventually killed?

I'm not necessarily saying he was involved. I'm just saying that his actions during his story are odd, to say the least.

 

[Coug]

I'm not necessarily saying he was involved. I'm just saying that his actions during his story are odd, to say the least.

It's been widely speculated before I just wondered if he was involved what would have been his motivation. Sibling rivalry is one thing but this would take it to a whole new level.

 

[Sloan]

It's been widely speculated before I just wondered if he was involved what would have been his motivation. Sibling rivalry is one thing but this would take it to a whole new level.

I think it's easy to say in hindsight that the brother is an idiot for not sprinting into the woods after his sister, but at the time he said that he knew the boyfriend had been hunting that day so when he saw his sister talking to some guy in hunting gear he naturally assumed it was the boyfriend. Then he called each of their cell phones and they didn't answer, which he assumed was because they were talking to each other. Of course it's ridiculous in hindsight, but when you live in flipping Parsons or Decaturville, when you see your sister talking to someone in hunting gear your first thought isn't "Holy crap she's being kidnapped!". NOTHING like that happens there. Unless you're paranoid (which I kinda am honestly), it probably wouldn't register as something alarming until afterwards.

What's more bizarre to me is the fact that this was a basically witnessed kidnapping (even if the witness didn't realize it at the time) and law enforcement was involved within minutes. In what universe does a witnessed kidnapping occur where police are on the scene so quickly and the person isn't found?! Especially when the victim was taken by foot and not by car, a least initially. I mean, has that ever happened?! Has to be blazing incompetence by the authorities, extreme skill and planning by the perpetrator, or incredible luck for the perpetrator…probably a combination of both in this case, but it'll be interesting to see how the heck he got out of the woods with her in such a short time frame without being detected at all.


P.S. This should be a lesson for women everywhere, and for men with daughters and wives to teach them, NEVER EVER allow yourself to be taken to a second location by anyone trying to kidnap you. Your chances of survival plummet to almost nothing if you allow that to happen, as it sounds like Bobo did (she was apparently walking with the perpetrator in fear for her life, but not fighting or being dragged or anything). If necessary, fight to the death right where you are. The second you allow yourself to be taken anywhere is the moment you lose your chance of surviving most times.

 

[ainge10heisman]

The thing about not allowing yourself to be taken to a second location is often the kidnappers have weapons. If you're being told to do something or you will be shot, your mind tells you to do what you're told besides fight.

 

[DocVOLiday]

The thing about not allowing yourself to be taken to a second location is often the kidnappers have weapons. If you're being told to do something or you will be shot, your mind tells you to do what you're told besides fight.

and I'm sure alot of those being kidnapped think a situation will arise later on where they have the opportunity to escape (distractions, changes, etc)

 

[Tux]

The thing about not allowing yourself to be taken to a second location is often the kidnappers have weapons. If you're being told to do something or you will be shot, your mind tells you to do what you're told besides fight.

I'd take my chance and fight right there and then. If he is taking me, he will kill me now or kill me later. Choose how and when you die in the worst case.

 

[COOKEVOL]

I'd take my chance and fight right there and then. If he is taking me, he will kill me now or kill me later. Choose how and when you die in the worst case.

I've always wondered what about those who are take by gun point in their car. I think I would drive as erratically as possible hoping to get pulled over, or just drive to the police station, or wreck his side of the car. If SOB shoots me, he isn't getting far.

 

[ainge10heisman]

I'd take my chance and fight right there and then. If he is taking me, he will kill me now or kill me later. Choose how and when you die in the worst case.

For most people that would be way easier said than done. Our brains are machines, it would calculate risks simultaneously during a kidnapping. It all goes back to our basic instinct of survival. In most cases we would receive brain signals saying to do as were told.