The Hunter Biden Thread

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RockyTop85 said:
I think it’s par for the course for this forum that ya’ll are still talking about this “sweetheart deal” after the parties backed out of it because what the other side wanted wasn’t good deal for them. 😂
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I put weight in what @BigOrangeMojo has to say with regards to the Tax charges.

He clearly is a CPA or tax professional of some kind. Also a somewhat ardent defender of the IRS and the new agents coming to town.

I could be misreading him, but he seems to be saying what Hunter got for the tax stuff is incredibly uncommon. Maybe he’ll weigh in.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I put weight in what @BigOrangeMojo has to say with regards to the Tax charges.

He clearly is a CPA or tax professional of some kind. Also a somewhat ardent defender of the IRS and the new agents coming to town.

I could be misreading him, but he seems to be saying what Hunter got for the tax stuff is incredibly uncommon. Maybe he’ll weigh in.
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Based on what has reported so far, Hunter Biden got a deal that is typically not given to similarly situated taxpayers.

This will be tl/dr so I will try to break it up

Just to clear a couple things up

1. I have been of the opinion that the IRS needed more funding for basic support operations, technological infrastructure, and attacking the most egregious violators/schemes. If things are more efficient, you will see far fewer errors on returns. Part of attacking the worst of the worst is taking away their freedom when it is proven they willfully evaded tax.

2. You will see people who say "most people who have issues with the IRS don't go to jail so Hunter doesn't deserve to go." That is true but disingenuous. The IRS deems 99.9% of all underpayment notices, etc as an error in omission, judgment, circumstance, or ignorance of law. The 99.9% does not or should not go to jail, it's the.1% we are talking about here. The fact pattern that has been reported clearly shows we are in that .1% range.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Based on what has reported so far, Hunter Biden got a deal that is typically not given to similarly situated taxpayers.

This will be tl/dr so I will try to break it up

Just to clear a couple things up

1. I have been of the opinion that the IRS needed more funding for basic support operations, technological infrastructure, and attacking the most egregious violators/schemes. If things are more efficient, you will see far fewer errors on returns. Part of attacking the worst of the worst is taking away their freedom when it is proven they willfully evaded tax.

2. You will see people who say "most people who have issues with the IRS don't go to jail so Hunter doesn't deserve to go." That is true but disingenuous. The IRS deems 99.9% of all underpayment notices, etc as an error in omission, judgment, circumstance, or ignorance of law. The 99.9% does not or should not go to jail, it's the.1% we are talking about here. The fact pattern that has been reported clearly shows we are in that .1% range.[/QUOTE]

All of these IRS issues, gov't office and taxpayer, can easily, efficiently, and quickly be resolved with a flat tax or national sales use tax and the death of the income tax and the IRS as it exists.
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Based on what has reported so far, Hunter Biden got a deal that is typically not given to similarly situated taxpayers.

This will be tl/dr so I will try to break it up

Just to clear a couple things up

1. I have been of the opinion that the IRS needed more funding for basic support operations, technological infrastructure, and attacking the most egregious violators/schemes. If things are more efficient, you will see far fewer errors on returns. Part of attacking the worst of the worst is taking away their freedom when it is proven they willfully evaded tax.

2. You will see people who say "most people who have issues with the IRS don't go to jail so Hunter doesn't deserve to go." That is true but disingenuous. The IRS deems 99.9% of all underpayment notices, etc as an error in omission, judgment, circumstance, or ignorance of law. The 99.9% does not or should not go to jail, it's the.1% we are talking about here. The fact pattern that has been reported clearly shows we are in that .1% range.
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A national sales use tax and the death of the IRS and it's tax code as it exists can solve all IRS related issues. And can be done swiftly and efficiently and effectively rather easily.
 
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For those that willfully evade filing responsibilities, there are 2 provisions to remember: 7201 (felony) and 7203 (misdemeanor)

So what is willfully, i.e. the .1%. This includes knowingly not filing a return at all, knowingly filing a fraudulent return, knowingly failing to include income, willingly failing to provide records upon request, and/or willfully failing to pay after liability has been determined. Willfulness is defined as the "voluntary, INTENTIONAL, violation of a known legal duty." Payment after the fact does not negate willfulness (Spies v United States)

There is an entire cottage industry for 99.9% of taxpayers where an error has been identified (just turn on car radio and you'll hear an ad). Again, an error is not willful and in good faith will not lead to a 7201 or 7203 (Grunewald and Cheeks cases).

Most people think misdemeanor and think, no jail time (especially for first time offenders). That's not true for Fed's since it's usually 50/50. There is a scoring system that determines jail vs probation. Some of the main drivers are

Amount at issue
One year or multiple year
Sophistication of taxpayer
Foreign interests and reporting
Prior tax crimes
Other criminal charges
Cooperation (Where records provided or was subpoena needed)
At what point was payment made (Did IRS have to exhaust remedies, i.e. liens or levies)
 
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So, what does all this mean for Hunter.

7203 misdemeanors are ~50/50 jailtime based on a scoring system. Right off the top, the amounts in play would eliminate probation absent some positive mitigating factor. Then, you have to layer on the lack of cooperation (subpoenas needed), his foreign interests, the other concurrent legal charges, the number of years, being a sophisticated taxpayer, having the appropriate means to ensure compliance, the IRS having to exhaust remedies to get money (liens). Wesley Snipes, no priors, served full sentence for 7203 violations.

Now Hunter does have a defense (addiction). This defense is probably enough to keep him out of 7201 provisions although the fact pattern supports it. But what I've seen and heard is people who plead down from a 7201 threat almost always get some jail time. The problem with the addiction claim is that by using that as a defense, he is admitting guilt to the gun charge.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Based on what has reported so far, Hunter Biden got a deal that is typically not given to similarly situated taxpayers.

This will be tl/dr so I will try to break it up

Just to clear a couple things up

1. I have been of the opinion that the IRS needed more funding for basic support operations, technological infrastructure, and attacking the most egregious violators/schemes. If things are more efficient, you will see far fewer errors on returns. Part of attacking the worst of the worst is taking away their freedom when it is proven they willfully evaded tax.

2. You will see people who say "most people who have issues with the IRS don't go to jail so Hunter doesn't deserve to go." That is true but disingenuous. The IRS deems 99.9% of all underpayment notices, etc as an error in omission, judgment, circumstance, or ignorance of law. The 99.9% does not or should not go to jail, it's the.1% we are talking about here. The fact pattern that has been reported clearly shows we are in that .1% range.
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or just clean up the ridiculous tax code
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
So, what does all this mean for Hunter.

7203 misdemeanors are ~50/50 jailtime based on a scoring system. Right off the top, the amounts in play would eliminate probation absent some positive mitigating factor. Then, you have to layer on the lack of cooperation (subpoenas needed), his foreign interests, the other concurrent legal charges, the number of years, being a sophisticated taxpayer, having the appropriate means to ensure compliance, the IRS having to exhaust remedies to get money (liens). Wesley Snipes, no priors, served full sentence for 7203 violations.

Now Hunter does have a defense (addiction). This defense is probably enough to keep him out of 7201 provisions although the fact pattern supports it. But what I've seen and heard is people who plead down from a 7201 threat almost always get some jail time. The problem with the addiction claim is that by using that as a defense, he is admitting guilt to the gun charge.
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Hunter Bidet deserves his own netflix special.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think it’s par for the course for this forum that ya’ll are still talking about this “sweetheart deal” after the parties backed out of it because what the other side wanted wasn’t good deal for them. 😂
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Mojo weighed in on the tax charges if you’re interested.
 
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So, what does probation cases look like for 7203

* Under 100K
* No other current criminal issues
* One year charged
* No foreign interests
* Non sophisticated taxpayer
* No priors
* Some level of cooperation after IRS contact
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
So, what does all this mean for Hunter.

7203 misdemeanors are ~50/50 jailtime based on a scoring system. Right off the top, the amounts in play would eliminate probation absent some positive mitigating factor. Then, you have to layer on the lack of cooperation (subpoenas needed), his foreign interests, the other concurrent legal charges, the number of years, being a sophisticated taxpayer, having the appropriate means to ensure compliance, the IRS having to exhaust remedies to get money (liens). Wesley Snipes, no priors, served full sentence for 7203 violations.

Now Hunter does have a defense (addiction). This defense is probably enough to keep him out of 7201 provisions although the fact pattern supports it. But what I've seen and heard is people who plead down from a 7201 threat almost always get some jail time. The problem with the addiction claim is that by using that as a defense, he is admitting guilt to the gun charge.
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Appreciate the detailed responses.

And I was just razzing you on the IRS and new agents.
 
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