The Hunter Biden Thread

[BowlBrother85]

I would pound on the fact that as soon as Roe was overturned the R's went straight to wanting a national ban.

Exactly right.

Republicans had argued that all they wanted was to make abortion an issue to be resolved at the state level ... but that proved to be disingenuous. What Republicans really wanted was a wholesale federal abortion ban. With Trump having appointed 3 of the conservative Supreme Court Justices, it will be very easy for Democrats to place the Dobbs decision squarely in his lap - and with it, the Republican calls for a federal ban as well.

Democrats need to rid themselves of Biden .... and fast.

 

[Vol8188]

Not in 2017, he didn't.

It would be very hard to link Joe to extortion, unless you can prove that Joe was aware that Hunter was making threats ... if you can prove that, then do it.


Joe is only an accomplice if you can prove that he had knowledge of what Hunter was doing.

I want the old fart out of the picture more than you do .... but you're trying too hard. There isn't much here. Hopefully that will change - and soon! I'm done with this.

Let’s start at the top. You believe a former vice president who served for decades in the senate had no influence to sell? That’s clearly absurd. It would be like saying Barack Obama has no influence today.

You don’t have to prove he knew anything about what Hunter did, only that he took the money. Now it’s up to him to prove he believed the money was for a legitimate reason. If someone sends you twice your monthly salary, shouldn’t you be asking them why?

That burden is on Joe once he accepts dirty money. He now has to prove he had no reason to know it was dirty. You can’t just claim someone gave you a check for twice your monthly salary and you didn’t ask questions.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Let’s start at the top. You believe a former vice president who served for decades in the senate had no influence to sell? That’s clearly absurd.

Not in 2017.

You don’t have to prove he knew anything about what Hunter did, only that he took the money. Now it’s up to him to prove he believed the money was for a legitimate reason. If someone sends you twice your monthly salary, shouldn’t you be asking them why?

That's not true, Counselor. To prove a criminal conspiracy, you must connect those dots. The burden pf proof rests with the accuser; not with the accused. You are talking out of your butt.

That burden is on Joe once he accepts dirty money.

Again ... not accurate.

 

[Vol8188]

I’ll even give the Biden supporters a bone by saying there’s a legal way to do this. Hilary was notorious for her “speaking fees”. If Biden could show that he was being paid for a legitimate service like that, even if the fee seems unreasonable (like those HRC often brought in) he’d be off the hook.

But to just say “idk why they paid me and I had no reason to think the money was dirty”, that’s not good enough once you’ve accepted the money.

A second possible defense would be an example of Joe sending the money back in which he could say “the money went to my account, but I didn’t understand why, so I gave the money back”. But the burden is now on him to show that.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I’ll even give the Biden supporters a bone by saying there’s a legal way to do this. Hilary was notorious for her “speaking fees”. If Biden could show that he was being paid for a legitimate service like that, even if the fee seems unreasonable (like those HRC often brought in) he’d be off the hook.

But to just say “idk why they paid me and I had no reason to think the money was dirty”, that’s not good enough once you’ve accepted the money.

A second possible defense would be an example of Joe sending the money back in which he could say “the money went to my account, but I didn’t understand why, so I gave the money back”. But the burden is now on him to show that.

Look, I'm not a Biden supporter at the moment. I was ... but he has proven to be too weak, and he is weighing down what could otherwise be a successful election year for Democrats. I think Democrats will take back the House. I want him to drop out of the 2024 Presidential race.

At least at the moment, I don't see this as being very much .... and I have explained why. Things could change with additional info. We will see what happens.

 

[hog88]

Look, I'm not a Biden supporter at the moment. I was ... but he has proven to be too weak, and he is weighing down what could otherwise be a successful election year for Democrats. I think Democrats will take back the House. I want him to drop out of the 2024 Presidential race.

At least at the moment, I don't see this as being very much .... and I have explained why. Things could change with additional info. We will see what happens.

After seeing what the Ds have done why on earth are you still supporting them? Whoever they run in place of Biden will continue the same disastrous policies.

 

[85SugarVol]

We’ve made it all the way from

“Joe did nothing. Joe took no money. Joe is completely clean.”

To

“Yea, Joe took money, but…”

 

[85SugarVol]

where is @lawgator1 currently in this progression of acceptance?

Is he still team “no proof, nothing, nada” of Joe taking money?

 

[lawgator1]

where is @lawgator1 currently in this progression of acceptance?

Is he still team “no proof, nothing, nada” of Joe taking money?

Update me. What has changed. Is the nonsense about the loan to the brother? Give me a break.

 

[Vol8188]

Update me. What has changed. Is the nonsense about the loan to the brother? Give me a break.

That was a different thing. You’re referring to 200k Joe received from his brother. This is 40k that can be traced from a Chinese company to Hunter (400k total) to his brother and SIL’s account (Sarah Biden, 150k) and then to Joe (40k, exactly “10% for the big guy”)

Comer Reveals How Joe Biden Received Laundered China Money - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

 

[85SugarVol]

Update me. What has changed. Is the nonsense about the loan to the brother? Give me a break.

I honestly don’t know the timeline and specifics. I haven’t followed it.

All I know is that Joe got $40k and former staunch supporters like BB are now saying - yes, Joe took that money (but he didn’t sell anything for it).

 

[VOLS INC.]

That was a different thing. You’re referring to 200k Joe received from his brother. This is 40k that can be traced from a Chinese company to Hunter (400k total) to his brother and SIL’s account (Sarah Biden, 150k) and then to Joe (40k, exactly “10% for the big guy”)

Comer Reveals How Joe Biden Received Laundered China Money - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

This would get non-stop news coverage if it were a Republican President. Even with us being on the brink of WW3. But our MSM just shrugs its shoulders. “Just crazy Joe. Nothing to see here”.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I honestly don’t know the timeline and specifics. I haven’t followed it.

All I know is that Joe got $40k and former staunch supporters like BB are now saying - yes, Joe took that money (but he didn’t sell anything for it).

I just think Republicans need to be able to show what influence Joe Biden exerted as VP, or what actions he undertook that were of benefit to the company in question. What was the "quo" in quid-pro-quo?

Once again, I hope that Comer and his House Republican buddies can do it. Joe Biden is not electable with the current poll numbers he has within the Democratic Party base. His numbers are even lower than where Hillary Clinton was in 2016. If Biden is the nominee, that spells disaster for Democrats. I don't want that.

I just think Republicans will have to do better than this. What they are pushing now, isn't enough to get Biden to drop out.

 

[85SugarVol]

I just think Republicans need to be able to show what influence Joe Biden exerted as VP, or what actions he undertook that were of benefit to the company in question. What was the "quo" in quid-pro-quo?

Once again, I hope that Comer and his House Republican buddies can do it. Joe Biden is not electable with the current poll numbers he has within the Democratic Party base. His numbers are even lower than where Hillary Clinton was in 2016. If Biden is the nominee, that spells disaster for Democrats. I don't want that.

I just think Republicans will have to do better than this. What they are pushing now, isn't enough to get Biden to drop out.

It seems like you’re talking about a standard for impeachment? Ok, sure.

I’m just talking generally. How far we’ve moved up the “what Joe did/didn’t do” continuum.

We orders of magnitude away from “Joe did absolutely nothing wrong, he took no money, he’s completely clean” at this point.

 

[lawgator1]

 

[VOLS INC.]

View attachment 594170

Here ya go LG. I re-wrote the story in a manner that you would find interesting.

WASHINGTON—Democrat House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman released a video and bank records memorandum revealing how Donald Trump received $40,000 in laundered Russia money from the account of his sister Elizabeth Trump, in the form of a personal check.

The money trail begins in July 2017 when Eric Trump demanded payment from his Russia linked associate. On July 30, 2017, Eric Trump sent a message to Raymond Zhao—a CEFC associate—demanding a $10 million dollar capital payment and claimed his father, Donald Trump, was sitting in the room.

On August 8, 2017, Northern International Capital, a Russia company affiliated with CEFC, sent $5 million to Hudson West III, a joint venture established by Eric Trump and a CEFC associate. That same day, Hudson West III sent $400,000 to Owasco, P.C., an entity owned and controlled by Eric Trump. On August 14, 2017, Eric Trump wired $150,000 to Lion Hall Group, a company owned by President Trumps sister, Elizabeth Trump. On August 28, 2017, Elizabeth Trump withdrew $50,000 in cash from Lion Hall Group. Later the same day, she deposited it into her personal checking account. On September 3, 2017, Elizabeth Trump cut a check to Donald Trump for $40,000 for a “loan repayment.”

 

[Vol8188]

Proof Joe got money?

Nope.

So in September you blew it off because there was no proof Joe received money.

We have that now and your answer is to simply ignore it?

 

[Vol8188]

Evidence of Joe benefitting?

None.

Relevance to anything?

None.


But hey, keep trying.

We have that now. Isn’t this what you requested?

 

[Vol8188]

Who is influence peddling? Hunter or Joe?

I think there is evidence that Hunter used the fact of his father being who he is to try to curry favor with business partners. But its a long way from that to showing that Joe knew of it and allowed it to continue, plus personally profited from it. I think that is where the actual evidence is completely lacking.

So we for sure know Joe personally profited. It seems really difficult to imagine Joe thought the money was from a legitimate source, right?

“My son gets me 10% of the money he earns doing (insert something not illegal here) and in return both he and the company have no expectations of me”

That seems wild

 

[VOLS INC.]

So in September you blew it off because there was no proof Joe received money.

We have that now and your answer is to simply ignore it?

Biggest Troll on the board.

Dialup Vol is ignorant
EL is just mean.
Luther is stubborn.


But LG, he’s next level. A true troll. Can’t wait to see how he squirms out of this one.

 

[Vol8188]

I just think Republicans need to be able to show what influence Joe Biden exerted as VP, or what actions he undertook that were of benefit to the company in question. What was the "quo" in quid-pro-quo?

Once again, I hope that Comer and his House Republican buddies can do it. Joe Biden is not electable with the current poll numbers he has within the Democratic Party base. His numbers are even lower than where Hillary Clinton was in 2016. If Biden is the nominee, that spells disaster for Democrats. I don't want that.

I just think Republicans will have to do better than this. What they are pushing now, isn't enough to get Biden to drop out.

You don’t actually have to show anything else. If I’m doing something illegal and giving you 10%, at some point wouldn’t you ask “Why do you keep giving me such large sums of money”?

The ignorance defense here is hilariously bad

 

[BowlBrother85]

You don’t actually have to show anything else. If I’m doing something illegal and giving you 10%, at some point wouldn’t you ask “Why do you keep giving me such large sums of money”?

The ignorance defense here is hilariously bad

Say what you want .... Ignorance is often described as being "plausible deniability" .... I'm sorry, but that's just how things work in our system of justice.

 

[Vol8188]

Say what you want .... Ignorance is often described as being "plausible deniability" .... I'm sorry, but that's just how things work in our system of justice.

It’s not. There’s no plausible deniability of money in your account.

“I just thought Hunter was doing well selling crack and wanted to give me 10% for being such a great dad”?

Seriously how do you plausibly deny money in your bank account?

 

[Septic]

Are you guys really that upset about $40k?

Or is it the principal of a guy defrauding someone or something and no longer having the moral or ethical standards to hold the highest office?

All of the above.

I actually agree - Joe ought to be drawn and quartered for taking $40k. Corrupt politicians should be thrown in jail.

I can't imagine how mad you'd be if Biden had defrauded someone for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The cognitive dissonance in here is breathtaking.

 

[lawgator1]

So in September you blew it off because there was no proof Joe received money.

We have that now and your answer is to simply ignore it?

It is not as you describe it. You are making a lot of assumptions trying to trace dollars.