The Hunter Biden Thread

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Vol8188 said:
Not according to Hunter Biden. He refers to a prior commitment the company made to pay him and his father.

What additional dots do you need?

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What actions did Joe Biden take which were favorable to the company? You have Hunter talking a big game, but that's Hunter .... What undo influence did Joe Biden ever exert, or what favorable actions, as Vice President, did Joe Biden ever take on behalf of this company? I'm open to the possibility that could have happened, but what were they?

What was the quid-pro-quo?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What actions did Joe Biden take which were favorable to the company? You have Hunter talking a big game, but that's Hunter .... What undo influence did Joe Biden ever exert, or what favorable actions, as Vice President, did Joe Biden ever take on behalf of this company? I'm open to the possibility that could have happened, but what were they?

What was the quid-pro-quo?
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So we agree Hunter was selling his dads influence. We agree his dad took his 10% cut. But you think Joe didn’t come through on his end?

That’s your defense? It seems like even if Joe lied to them and didn’t do a thing for that company, a minimum he’s an accessory to extortion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So we agree Hunter was selling his dads influence. We agree his dad took his 10% cut. But you think Joe didn’t come through on his end?

That’s your defense? It seems like even if Joe lied to them and didn’t do a thing for that company, a minimum he’s an accessory to extortion.
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I'm not putting up a defense. Please understand ... I really do hope Joe Biden can be forced to withdraw his candidacy for President in 2024.

It has long been established that Hunter was trying to sell the belief that he could use his dad's influence to assist foreign companies. I'm simply asking what did Joe do on behalf of this company, in exchange for money? What was the "quo", in the quid-pro-quo? I think that is needed here.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not putting up a defense. Please understand ... I really do hope Joe Biden can be forced to withdraw his candidacy for President in 2024.

It has long been established that Hunter was trying to sell the belief that he could use his dad's influence to assist foreign companies. I'm simply asking what did Joe do on behalf of this company, in exchange for money? What was the "quo", in the quid-pro-quo? I think that is needed here.
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Even if he did nothing, accepting money alone is a problem. You don’t have to show him doing anything. Right?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not putting up a defense. Please understand ... I really do hope Joe Biden can be forced to withdraw his candidacy for President in 2024.

It has long been established that Hunter was trying to sell the belief that he could use his dad's influence to assist foreign companies. I'm simply asking what did Joe do on behalf of this company, in exchange for money? What was the "quo", in the quid-pro-quo? I think that is needed here.
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Joe will likely have expired before they find the "quo".
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if he did nothing, accepting money alone is a problem. You don’t have to show him doing anything. Right?
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Not when the money was accepted AFTER he had already left office.

If it is the contention of House Republicans that the money was paid after the favorable influence had already been exerted, then I think House Republicans will need to show what this influence involved. What favorable steps did Joe Biden take on behalf of this company before the money was paid?
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Joe will likely have expired before they find the "quo".
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I actually do hope Biden can be forced to withdraw soon.

The abortion issue is proving to be a valuable asset for Democrats heading in 2024. I think it helped Democrats a lot in the 2022 midterms, and it is continuing to pay dividends. Republicans have overreached with abortion bans. That is where the Democrats focus needs to be (and on Trump's legal woes). Joe Biden is an albatross, who is weighing the party down right now. That old fart needs to kick rocks.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Not when the money was accepted AFTER he had already left office.

If it is the contention of House Republicans that the money was paid after the favorable influence had already been exerted, then I think House Republicans will need to show what this influence involved. What favorable steps did Joe Biden take on behalf of this company before the money was paid?
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If the money was paid based on an extortion campaign by his son and he took the money, does that not make him complicit in extortion?

If it’s not extortion, then isn’t the burden of proof on Joe to explain why he was paid?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The payment will always come before undo favorable actions are taken, because the person who is accepting the bribe, is assuming the most risk, but if you want to make (the very weak argument) that Biden took advantageous steps prior to the payment .... then what were they? There would have to be some more dots connected.

Like I've said, I'm not defending Biden. I really do hope he can be forced to withdraw. I just don't think this does it. Maybe there is more? We'll see.
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Holy chit Batman, you're like stretch Armstrong with your contortions.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If the money was paid based on an extortion campaign by his son and he took the money, does that not make him complicit in extortion?

If it’s not extortion, then isn’t the burden of proof on Joe to explain why he was paid?
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I think he should explain why he accepted that money ... Yes.

What did he think it was in return for? Was he aware of the source of the funds? Sure.
 
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hog88 said:
Do we have a date for this call?
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Yes, and it was a text transcript through What’s App. July 30th of 2017. And it seems to be a follow up to the email chain from spring of that year (going off memory but I believe that was March or April) that involved the 10% for the big guy quote. The exact amount Joe was paid.

nypost.com

Hunter Biden used dad Joe as leverage in China business dispute: text message

First son Hunter Biden used his father as leverage while negotiating a six-figure business deal with a Chinese associate in 2017.
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, and it was a text transcript through What’s App. July 30th of 2017. And it seems to be a follow up to the email chain from spring of that year (going off memory but I believe that was March or April) that involved the 10% for the big guy quote. The exact amount Joe was paid.

nypost.com

Hunter Biden used dad Joe as leverage in China business dispute: text message

First son Hunter Biden used his father as leverage while negotiating a six-figure business deal with a Chinese associate in 2017.
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Most big corporations have gone to a 75-90 day pay so if the first collections email was sent (lets just say in April) services were probably rendered in January or Dec.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Don’t worry, Joe only committed fraud by promising benefits to a company and never coming through. He never provided actual benefits.

That seems to be the argument right now
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Wrong. The argument is that there is no proof that Joe promised the company anything, or ever took favorable actions on their behalf.... Republicans like to conflate Joe and Hunter.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong. The argument is that there is no proof that Joe promised the company anything, or ever took favorable actions on their behalf.... Republicans like to conflate Joe and Hunter.
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Yes, fraud. Joe took their money but never did anything.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I mean Joe. Joe took 40k from the company. If he did nothing as you claim, he committed fraud.
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I do think Joe Biden should explain what he thought that money was for. Was he aware of the source of the funds? .... but a lot is still missing :

1) There is no proof that Joe Biden ever made promises to the company.

2) In 2017, he had no influence to sell.

3) If the contention is that the money was paid after services had already been rendered (in hog88's words), then what were those services? What was the "quo" in the quid-pro-quo agreement? What favorable steps did Joe Biden take as VP on behalf of the company involved?

I'm open to anything .... but as of right now, there isn't much here. If this was a Trump thread from 2019, it would be given a sarcastic "YGHN" response.

Anyway, I hope you're able to nail him this time, Agent Ness. Just make it fast. We need him out of the picture for 2024. Have a good one.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I do think Joe Biden should explain what he thought that money was for? Was he aware of the source of the funds? .... but a lot is still missing :

1) There is no proof that Joe Biden ever made promises to the company.

2) In 2017, he had no influence to sell.

3) If the contention is that the money was paid after services had already been rendered (in hog88's words), then what were those services? What was the "quo" in the quid-pro-quo agreement? What favorable steps did Joe Biden take as VP on behalf of the company involved?

I'm open to anything .... but as of right now, there isn't much here. If this were a Trump thread from 2019, it would be given a sarcastic "YGHN" response.

Anyway, I hope you're able to nail him this time, Agent Ness. Just make it fast. We need him out of the picture for 2024. Have a good one.
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He obviously had influence to sell. Once again he’s one of the most well known political figures in the country, if not the world.

Here’s the thing, if the money was paid for either influence or extortion and Joe accepted it, he was complicit in a crime.

Idk how you’re not seeing that. If Hunter if committing fraud as you claim (by selling influence that isn’t real) and his dad takes part of that money, his dad is now an accomplice.

What element do you believe is lacking? Fake product was sold. Money exchanged hands. Joe took his cut.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He obviously had influence to sell.
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Not in 2017, he didn't.
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Here’s the thing, if the money was paid for either influence or extortion and Joe accepted it, he was complicit in a crime.
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It would be very hard to link Joe to extortion, unless you can prove that Joe was aware that Hunter was making threats ... if you can prove that, then do it.

Vol8188 said:
If Hunter if committing fraud as you claim (by selling influence that isn’t real) and his dad takes part of that money, his dad is now an accomplice.
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Joe is only an accomplice if you can prove that he had knowledge of what Hunter was doing.

I want the old fart out of the picture more than you do .... but you're trying too hard. There isn't much here. Hopefully that will change - and soon! I'm done with this.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I mean Joe. Joe took 40k from the company. If he did nothing as you claim, he committed fraud.
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Are you guys really that upset about $40k?

Or is it the principal of a guy defrauding someone or something and no longer having the moral or ethical standards to hold the highest office?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I actually do hope Biden can be forced to withdraw soon.

The abortion issue is proving to be a valuable asset for Democrats heading in 2024. I think it helped Democrats a lot in the 2022 midterms, and it is continuing to pay dividends. Republicans have overreached with abortion bans. That is where the Democrats focus needs to be (and on Trump's legal woes). Joe Biden is an albatross, who is weighing the party down right now. That old fart needs to kick rocks.
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I would pound on the fact that as soon as Roe was overturned the R's went straight to wanting a national ban. Pounding on Trump's legal issues will only help him Imo. The Kangaroo court in NY will set the tone for him being a victim. Trump nor Biden care that they are not good for their party or country. It's just a shame that so many will capitulate because one of them is closer to their own values.
 
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