The Hunter Biden Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes .... and that is a problem for House Republicans that few people on the right are mentioning. Not only had Joe Biden left the office of the Vice President in 2017, he wasn't yet even a candidate for the Presidency. Biden announced his Presidential candidacy in April of 2019.

I'm not saying that any of this is ethical, but what "influence" can Biden be charged with peddling here? He didn't hold public office of any sort in 2017; nor was he even a candidate for public office of any sort .... As a matter of fact, in 2017, Joe Biden's party was completely out of power. Republicans had the Presidency (Trump), and they had control of both chambers of Congress. As of 2017, many political observers believed Joe Biden's political career to be over.

Having said all of that ... I really do hope that Biden drops out of the race soon. He is very unpopular with the Democratic Party base.
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Seems a far cry from “no proof, none, of Joe taking money” lol.

And I assume Joe only took money in the specific time between holding office? He was clean before that, and after that?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Seems a far cry from “no proof, none, of Joe taking money” lol.

And I assume Joe only took money in the specific time between holding office? He was clean before that, and after that?
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If House Republicans can prove otherwise, then let's see it ... What they have right now, doesn't prove that influence was being sold. Joe Biden had no political influence to sell in 2017. He wasn't in an office of any sort; nor was he a candidate for an office, and his political party was completely out of power. He was 74 years old and his political career appeared to be over. His Presidential campaigns had never gone anywhere before 2020.

.... and for reasons unrelated to this nonsense, I feel pretty fed up with Biden. I would actually like to see House Republicans come up with something so incriminating that it gave Joe Biden no choice but to withdraw from the 2024 Presidential race immediately ... This just isn't it.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Seems a far cry from “no proof, none, of Joe taking money” lol.

And I assume Joe only took money in the specific time between holding office? He was clean before that, and after that?
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The goal posts have been moving on this since the beginning. From a crazy conspiracy, to it was Hunter’s thing and Joe intentionally doesn’t discuss business with his son, to Joe knew about but wasn’t involved, to Joe was at some meetings but didn’t take any money, to Joe took some money but wasn’t in office at the time.

I’m sure I’ve missed some other transition points in between, but you get the picture.

Remember Trump wasn’t in office when he was supposedly communicating with the Russians, yet I could go point to hundreds of posts of LG’s where this wasn’t a consideration.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If House Republicans can prove otherwise, then let's see it ... What they have right now, doesn't prove that influence was being sold. Joe Biden had no political influence to sell in 2017. He wasn't in an office of any sort; nor was he a candidate for an office, and his political party was completely out of power. He was 74 years old and his political career appeared to be over. His Presidential campaigns had never gone anywhere before 2020.

.... and for reasons unrelated to this nonsense, I feel pretty fed up with Biden. I would actually like to see House Republicans come up with something so incriminating that it gave Joe Biden no choice but to withdraw from the 2024 Presidential race immediately ... This just isn't it.
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Maybe they’ll find something. Who knows.

But it would be foolish to think his graft was limited to that specific time frame.

And again, a far cry from the earlier claims of “no proof, Joe didn’t do nutthin”.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Maybe they’ll find something. Who knows.

But it would be foolish to think his graft was limited to that specific time frame.

And again, a far cry from the earlier claims of “no proof, Joe didn’t do nutthin”.
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At least as of right now, Republicans haven't proven that it wasn't.

... and come on, how many lies has Trump been caught in recently?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If House Republicans can prove otherwise, then let's see it ... What they have right now, doesn't prove that influence was being sold. Joe Biden had no political influence to sell in 2017. He wasn't in an office of any sort; nor was he a candidate for an office, and his political party was completely out of power. He was 74 years old and his political career appeared to be over. His Presidential campaigns had never gone anywhere before 2020.

.... and for reasons unrelated to this nonsense, I feel pretty fed up with Biden. I would actually like to see House Republicans come up with something so incriminating that it gave Joe Biden no choice but to withdraw from the 2024 Presidential race immediately ... This just isn't it.
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And it’s disingenuous to say “no political influence in 2017”. Joe Biden was a 30 year Senator and Vice President.

Not in office != No political influence

Barack Obama hasn’t been in office for years. Does he wield “political influence”?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
At least as of right now, Republicans haven't proven that it wasn't.

... and come on, how many lies has Trump been caught in recently?
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Many, I’d guess. I’m not a Trump supporter. I was railing against him in the early days in the Wall Street thread.

What’s that got to do with Joe Biden?
 
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85SugarVol said:
And it’s disingenuous to say “no political influence in 2017”. Joe Biden was a 30 year Senator and Vice President.
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He was a FORMER Senator and FORMER Vice President from a party which was completely out of power in 2017. He had no influence over the political landscape at that time.

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Barack Obama hasn’t been in office for years. Does he wield “political influence”?
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None concerning United States federal government policy in 2017 he didn't. I'm sorry, but this isn't enough.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He was a FORMER Senator and FORMER Vice President from a party which was completely out of power in 2017. He had no influence over the political landscape at that time.


None concerning United States federal government policy in 2017 he didn't. I'm sorry, but this isn't enough.
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Yes, former.

And yes, former major office holders continue to wield political “influence” after they leave office.

Are you really going to suggest Obama doesn’t continue to wield influence?
 
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85SugarVol said:
And yes, former major office holders continue to wield political “influence” after they leave office.
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I'm not arguing that. My argument is specific to Joe Biden in 2017. He had none.

85SugarVol said:
Are you really going to suggest Obama doesn’t continue to wield influence?
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I'm tired of this already. Can you read? In 2017, he did not.
 
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Stage 1: it’s all a conspiracy
Stage 2: okay, Hunter is bad but Joe wasn’t involved
Stage 3: okay, Joe was involved but you can’t trace anything to his account
We are here, Stage 4: okay, so yes Joe was involved and yes he took money, but you can’t prove the exact influence he provided
 
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Vol8188 said:
Stage 1: it’s all a conspiracy
Stage 2: okay, Hunter is bad but Joe wasn’t involved
Stage 3: okay, Joe was involved but you can’t trace anything to his account
We are here, Stage 4: okay, so yes Joe was involved and yes he took money, but you can’t prove the exact influence he provided
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Lol 👍
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I haven’t paid much attention. Wasn’t the $40K from like 2017 when he wasn’t in office?
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not saying that any of this is ethical, but what "influence" can Biden be charged with peddling here? He didn't hold public office of any sort in 2017; nor was he even a candidate for public office of any sort .... As a matter of fact, in 2017, Joe Biden's party was completely out of power. Republicans had the Presidency (Trump), and they had control of both chambers of Congress. As of 2017, many political observers believed Joe Biden's political career to be over.

Having said all of that ... I really do hope that Biden drops out of the race soon. He is very unpopular with the Democratic Party base.
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Joe was in office in early 2017. He wasn’t in office for all of it. But if you follow the paper trail here you’ll find messages from Hunter asking why they haven’t paid yet (I believe those were in July) which implies the plan was to wait until he was out of office to pay. The messages also include Hunter threatening to use Joe’s political power against that company if they don’t pay and saying something to the effect of “dad is here with me and we will use all our means to come after you if you don’t follow through”.

So it’s possible Joe wasn’t selling actually influence, but at a minimum this makes him complicit in selling perceived influence like his son was.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Joe was in office in early 2017. He wasn’t in office for all of it.
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LOL. 20 days as a lame duck VP, when his party had just lost control of the Presidency and both chambers of Congress?

Maybe House Republicans can come up with something that will force Joe Biden out of the race. (Considering how unpopular Biden is, I have no idea why they would want to do that, however. They might just force Democrats into nominating a better candidate. Democrats would be hard pressed to do worse.)

I hope so .... and soon. This just isn't it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
LOL. 20 days as a lame duck VP, when his party had just lost control of the Presidency and both chambers of Congress?

Maybe House Republicans can come up with something that will force Joe Biden out of the race. (Considering how unpopular Biden is, I have no idea why they would want to do that, however. They might just force Democrats into nominating a better candidate. Democrats would be hard pressed to do worse.)

I hope so .... and soon. This just isn't it.
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Why do you believe Hunter was paid 400k if not for Joe’s influence? We even have the text messages of Hunter threatening the Chinese company with Joe’s influence if they did not pay. And we have Joe taking his “10% for the big guy”.

What additional element do you feel is missing?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why do you believe Hunter was paid 400k if not for Joe’s influence? We even have the text messages of Hunter threatening the Chinese company with Joe’s influence if they did not pay. And we have Joe taking his “10% for the big guy”.

What additional element do you feel is missing?
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I think I've made that clear, and I'm not going round and round with this. In 2017, Joe Biden didn't have anything to sell.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think I've made that clear, and I'm not going round and round with this. In 2017, Joe Biden didn't have anything to sell.
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Obviously he did. He’s one of the most well known political figures in the country and has spent around 50 years now between terms in the senate, as president, and as vice president.

If your defense is that one of the longest tenured political figures in the country lacked influence, I don’t think it’s an argument you’re going to win
 
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hog88 said:
Who said what he sold was sold in 2017? He just didn’t get paid until 2017.
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The payment will always come before undo favorable actions are taken, because the person who is accepting the bribe, is assuming the most risk, but if you want to make (the very weak argument) that Biden took advantageous steps prior to the payment .... then what were they? There would have to be some more dots connected.

Like I've said, I'm not defending Biden. I really do hope he can be forced to withdraw. I just don't think this does it. Maybe there is more? We'll see.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The payment will always come before undo favorable actions are taken, because the person who is accepting the bribe, is assuming the most risk, but if you want to make (the very weak argument) that Biden took advantageous steps prior to the payment .... then what were they? There would have to be some more dots connected.

Like I've said, I'm not defending Biden. I really do hope he can be forced to withdraw. I just don't think this does it. Maybe there is more? We'll see.
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Not according to Hunter Biden. He refers to a prior commitment the company made to pay him and his father.

What additional dots do you need?

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