The Impeachment Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump is as gloomy, dour and negative as they come. The default expression on Trump's face is the pursed-lipped frown. He has no capacity for laughing at himself, and he has repeatedly shown that he can't handle jokes made at his expense, even when they are good-natured with no ill intent. He is a classic example of someone who can dish it out, but can't take it. He has no sense of self-awareness and no sense of humor.
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Septic said:
If you think trump and his influence is just that of "presidential candidate", then I don't think you're clear on what the issue is.
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So it's only at the presidential levels it's an issue, not an issue at the VP? And before whataboutism gets thrown out there, it's not in this case. It is the alleged matter at hand. The VP of the time did the exact same thing Trump did. Exact same, and arguably worse Used even more tax payer money for direct personal gain.
 
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RavinDave said:
I didn't see your post about "money" until after I posted about "flexibility"... did this actually come out or are you basically making an edumacated guess here?
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Pretty sure its public record that Biden held back money/arms to Ukraine while his son was being investigated in Ukraine. They didnt get the money until after the case was suspended or whatever happened. Trump is now apparently bribing them to open it back up.
 
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Velo Vol said:
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, the matter at hand concerns whether or not the President of the United States offered aid to a foreign government to pursue an investigation that could potentially benefit him politically. That would be a bribe... and bribery is usually a felony.
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So trump is getting in trouble for counter bribing, with about a third the amount, the bribe Biden started with.
 
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LouderVol said:
So trump is getting in trouble for counter bribing, with about a third the amount, the bribe Biden started with.
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I'm not engaging in an argument over something that would be "what-about-ism", except that it is far from having been established as a fact.

"If" (and I understand this is an enormous 'if' here) that is what Trump did on that phone call with the Ukrainian President? Then yes, that is a bribe... and a felony.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not engaging in an argument over something that would be "what-about-ism", except that it is far from having been established as a fact.

"If" (and I understand this is an enormous 'if' here) that is what Trump did on that phone call with the Ukrainian President? Then yes, that is a bribe... and a felony.
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You could argue that just about any form of foreign assistance could be construed as bribery.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Has something changed in Eastern Europe? Aren’t they still fuming in impotent rage at Russia for stealing their territory? Or is this Ukrainian president pro-Russia?
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He's still new, so a lot remains to be seen. (Remember, he was an actor.)

In the campaign he was quite vague on a lot of stuff. Like saying he wanted to end the war (who doesn't?), without giving a lot of details. Is that dovish?

On the other hand he's taken verbal shots at the Russian government's authoritarianism.

Maybe he's just being pragmatic?
 
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lawgator1 said:
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Not to be “that guy “ but ... your track record and threads predicting Trump being ousted or resigning leave a lot to be desired . You are the guy that goes to the racetrack only to bet on the long shots because the pay out is so good . Lol
 
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LouderVol said:
So trump is getting in trouble for counter bribing, with about a third the amount, the bribe Biden started with.
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You are really trying to move those goalposts, bud!

Good effort, but how about (and I know this is going to sound crazy) we start putting politicians who break the law in prison now matter which party they were pretending to be a part of when they committed a crime.

I say "pretending" because you know that lifetime Democrat Donald Trump isn't really interested in how the GOP or conservatives fair in all this, right?
 
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Rifleman said:
You are really trying to move those goalposts, bud!

Good effort, but how about (and I know this is going to sound crazy) we start putting politicians who break the law in prison now matter which party they were pretending to be a part of when they committed a crime.

I say "pretending" because you know that lifetime Democrat Donald Trump isn't really interested in how the GOP or conservatives fair in all this, right?
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I don’t think he’s interested in how America fares in the long run.
 
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Rifleman said:
You are really trying to move those goalposts, bud!

Good effort, but how about (and I know this is going to sound crazy) we start putting politicians who break the law in prison now matter which party they were pretending to be a part of when they committed a crime.

I say "pretending" because you know that lifetime Democrat Donald Trump isn't really interested in how the GOP or conservatives fair in all this, right?
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No one on either side, who holds political power, is going to prison. I'm pretty sure that has been made clear by now.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Not to be “that guy “ but ... your track record and threads predicting Trump being ousted or resigning leave a lot to be desired . You are the guy that goes to the racetrack only to bet on the long shots because the pay out is so good . Lol
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Notice how quiet the GOPers in the Senate are about this? You know some of them will happily jump on the impeachment bandwagon, maybe more than some, once it gets started.
 
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37L1 said:
Only if it pertains to a reflection upon him. You don't think he wants to go down as the most hugely successful President ever?
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Yes, but I absolutely think he would take short term success that meant long term catastrophe if he gets to enjoy the adulation during his presidency/life.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
You could argue that just about any form of foreign assistance could be construed as bribery.
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Yeah, but foreign assistance bribery to help smear a political opponent to maintain power?

The stakes are raised. If Clinton had done this for dirt on Trump, would you still be shrugging?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes, but I absolutely think he would take short term success that meant long term catastrophe if he gets to enjoy the adulation during his presidency/life.
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Probably not different than most of his recent predecessors and those who currently hold high office in this country.
I guess we will just have to wait and see, if we both live long enough, that is.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I don’t think he’s interested in how America fares in the long run.
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To put it in Star Trek terms, he's basically the guy who would beam the Klingon's on board The Enterprise if they offered him an escape pod to Risa.
 
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Velo Vol said:
He's still new, so a lot remains to be seen. (Remember, he was an actor.)

In the campaign he was quite vague on a lot of stuff. Like saying he wanted to end the war (who doesn't?), without giving a lot of details. Is that dovish?

On the other hand he's taken verbal shots at the Russian government's authoritarianism.

Maybe he's just being pragmatic?
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I guess “Pandering Volodymyr” doesn’t have the same ring to it...

Just spitballing here, but I’m thinking, if I’m the president of Ukraine, I’m probably not going to help the guy who called the annexation of my country’s territory “outsmarting Obama” and would probably see if I couldn’t give a leg up to the guy who gets nominated by the party that’s in a furor about having their election tampered with by the same country who annexed Crimea.

This is why we need election security.
 
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