The Impeachment Thread

[volfanjustin]

There is no logic to this. If Bolton has information which hasn't been heard, then it is new. If Trump has done nothing wrong, then there should be nothing to fear from John Bolton's testimony. So why was the White House trying to block him from testifying before the House Oversight Committee in the fall? That is not the behavior of people with nothing to hide.

Why were the radicals in the House trying to push it through so fast? Why not challenge the President in court over him blocking Bolton?

 

[volfanjustin]

The President's biggest mistake was not cleaning out people like Vindman and Bolton soon enough. My understand is Vindman is still in his same position, if so that's crazy and a bad call by Trump

 

[Orange defense]

I hated John Bolton too and now I like him (not necessarily his policies). So goes politics. BTW, are you calling a book no one has read and hasn't been published irrelevant?

It’s already been read. I read it through the leakage of The NY Times. Nothing to see there. Still irrelevant.

 

[VolnJC]

 

[Rifleman]

There is no logic to this. If Bolton has information which hasn't been heard, then it is new. If Trump has done nothing wrong, then there should be nothing to fear from John Bolton's testimony. So why was the White House trying to block him from testifying before the House Oversight Committee in the fall? That is not the behavior of people with nothing to hide.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There is no logic to this. If Bolton has information which hasn't been heard, then it is new. If Trump has done nothing wrong, then there should be nothing to fear from John Bolton's testimony. So why was the White House trying to block him from testifying before the House Oversight Committee in the fall? That is not the behavior of people with nothing to hide.

In response to your edit I’d say it’s because WH counsel was doing their job and it’s tiresome hearing that weak minded “why not talk of you don’t have anything to hide” retort.

And... again... the House had just the vehicle to compel the testimony. But they instead vacated that and charged you to carry their message here to VN on why vacating their responsibility was the right choice

 

[volinsd]

All electric vehicle from GM.

Ok Mick.....THATS IT! I dislike your politics but nobody pees on the Ford logo!
Gloves are gonna come off now!

 

[lawgator1]

He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.

Okay, he did it, but he had a good reason.


LOL, you Trumpsters. Lie, lie, and lie some more. Get caught lying, and change the lie to be an entirely new lie.

 

[BowlBrother85]

LMAO! Then the House should have subpoenaed him when it had the chance and obtained it rather than vacate that task and bitch and moan in the media about it!

From the very beginning of this situation, the White House has conducted themselves as if they had something to hide. They resisted handing over the whistleblower's complaint to Congress, as required by law, until Sen. Mitch McConnell made it clear that they wouldn't be receiving any political cover from the Senate by refusing to comply with the law. The White House tried to block every single witness from testifying before the House Oversight Committee, including former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who had evidently been stalked by Robert Hyde and smeared by Rudy Giuliani.

The calculation that House Democrats made in not pursuing a court battle over testimony was obviously a political one. Maybe it was right and maybe it wasn't. That calculus does not excuse the obstruction and lack of compliance from the White House. People who have done nothing wrong and with nothing to hide from the public, simply don't act this way.

 

[NorthDallas40]

From the very beginning of this situation, the White House has conducted themselves as if they had something to hide. They resisted handing over the whistleblower's complaint to Congress, as required by law, until Sen. Mitch McConnell made it clear that they wouldn't be receiving any political cover from the Senate by complying with the law. The White House tried to block every single witness from testifying before the House Oversight Committee, including former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who had evidently been stalked by Robert Hyde and smeared by Rudy Giuliani.

The calculation that House Democrats made in not pursuing a court battle over testimony was obviously a political one. Maybe it was right and maybe it wasn't. That calculus does not excuse the obstruction and lack of compliance from the White House. People who have done nothing wrong and with nothing to hide from the public, simply don't act this way.

Any damn lawyer that advises “yeah sure go ahead and talk say what you want” should be fired for malpractice and any rational person sees your goading statement as the tripe that it is.

They have subpoena power. Use it or STFU.

 

[VolnJC]

 

[lawgator1]

From the very beginning of this situation, the White House has conducted themselves as if they had something to hide. They resisted handing over the whistleblower's complaint to Congress, as required by law, until Sen. Mitch McConnell made it clear that they wouldn't be receiving any political cover from the Senate by refusing to comply with the law. The White House tried to block every single witness from testifying before the House Oversight Committee, including former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who had evidently been stalked by Robert Hyde and smeared by Rudy Giuliani.

The calculation that House Democrats made in not pursuing a court battle over testimony was obviously a political one. Maybe it was right and maybe it wasn't. That calculus does not excuse the obstruction and lack of compliance from the White House. People who have done nothing wrong and with nothing to hide from the public, simply don't act this way.

Wasn't it Trey Gowdy who exclaimed on Fox to the WH to "Stop acting so guilty!"

And where is he? I thought I read just a few months ago that he he was on board to help out. Seems like maybe some folks sign up, get in there and find out the truth, and just somehow fade away .....

 

[lawgator1]

Because Trump got caught.

Its not an excuse for what Trump did that he was caught red handed and ultimately did not get away with it. Sorry.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Any damn lawyer that advises “yeah sure go ahead and talk say what you want” should be fired for malpractice and any rational person sees your goading statement as the tripe that it is.

They have subpoena power. Use it or STFU.

Most lawyers I have worked with follow the law. The law says that the whistleblower's complaint should have been turned over to Congress within two weeks from it being filed. It wasn't. The White House counsel obviously does not represent former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, Ambassador Bill Taylor, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Kurt Volker or the other witnesses who appeared before the House Oversight Committee, who they had tried to block from testifying.

 

[VolnJC]

He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.
He didn't do it.

Okay, he did it, but he had a good reason.


LOL, you Trumpsters. Lie, lie, and lie some more. Get caught lying, and change the lie to be an entirely new lie.

1) The House authorized up to 200 million meaning between 0-200
2) The money was released before 9/30 deadline
3) The Ukrainians said they weren't aware of holdup and felt no pressure
4) The Burisma investigation was restarted before call
There is no coercion or quid pro quo...there is no crime

 

[volfanjustin]

From the very beginning of this situation, the White House has conducted themselves as if they had something to hide. They resisted handing over the whistleblower's complaint to Congress, as required by law, until Sen. Mitch McConnell made it clear that they wouldn't be receiving any political cover from the Senate by refusing to comply with the law. The White House tried to block every single witness from testifying before the House Oversight Committee, including former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, who had evidently been stalked by Robert Hyde and smeared by Rudy Giuliani.

The calculation that House Democrats made in not pursuing a court battle over testimony was obviously a political one. Maybe it was right and maybe it wasn't. That calculus does not excuse the obstruction and lack of compliance from the White House. People who have done nothing wrong and with nothing to hide from the public, simply don't act this way.

That's rich

 

[NorthDallas40]

Most lawyers I have worked with follow the law. The law says that the whistleblower's complaint should have been turned over to Congress within two weeks from it being filed. It wasn't. The White House counsel obviously does not represent former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, Ambassador Bill Taylor, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Kurt Volker or the other witnesses who appeared before the House Oversight Committee, who they had tried to block from testifying.

Use. Subpoena. Power. Or. STFU!

 

[BowlBrother85]

Except the military aid wasn't released shortly thereafter. The aid wasn't released until AFTER the White House became aware of the contents of the whistleblower's complaint.

 

[volfanjustin]

1) The House authorized up to 200 million meaning between 0-200
2) The money was released before 9/30 deadline
3) The Ukrainians said they weren't aware of holdup and felt no pressure
4) The Burisma investigation was restarted before call
There is no coercion or quid pro quo...there is no crime

Correct there is no crime, and a quid pro quo even if it happened (which it didn't) isn't a crime

 

[lawgator1]

1) The House authorized up to 200 million meaning between 0-200
2) The money was released before 9/30 deadline
3) The Ukrainians said they weren't aware of holdup and felt no pressure
4) The Burisma investigation was restarted before call
There is no coercion or quid pro quo...there is no crime

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Because Trump got caught.

Its not an excuse for what Trump did that he was caught red handed and ultimately did not get away with it. Sorry.

Desperation at it's finest....Senate will shut this hoax or the greatest sham show down by Wednesday.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[BowlBrother85]

1) The House authorized up to 200 million meaning between 0-200
2) The money was released before 9/30 deadline
3) The Ukrainians said they weren't aware of holdup and felt no pressure
4) The Burisma investigation was restarted before call
There is no coercion or quid pro quo...there is no crime

1) The money wasn't released until AFTER the White House became aware of the whistleblower's complaint. The amount withheld was $391 million.
2) That is what they need to say while Trump is in office.
3) There is a mountain of evidence which contradicts that at this point.
4) Trump wasn't pressuring Zelensky to investigate Burisma Holdings. He was pressuring them to announce an investigation into the Bidens. The period of time for which Burisma has been under investigation for, was prior to Hunter Biden serving on their board of directors.

There is coercion out the ying-yang.

 

[Velo Vol]

What a world.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What a world.

Is he talking about John Bolton? The National Security Adviser? OMG. Trump lackeys... they are really struggling right now. They don't want Bolton to testify.