The Impeachment Thread

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Septic said:
I'm guessing one of these guys is related to the Huckabee tribe.

Anyone wanna guess which one?

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One kind of looks like Judge Napolitano.

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DinkinFlicka said:
I blame the Trump-Hillary dumpster fire on boomers just a little more than my generation's lack of turnout.

As far as Trump's nomination, though, that falls on boomers. What a stupid hill to die on.
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I'm not placing blame on anyone other than the parties themselves. Both sides chose bad candidates to run, yet the left wants to continue harping about how the right chose Trump. I agree it was a bad choice, but equally as bad was the left picking Hillary. Both sides are guilty of running bad candidates. The idea that only one side is guilty of that is moronic. The idea that one side is more guilty than the other is equally moronic. Both parties screwed up with their selections, and unfortunately, one of the two had to win.
 
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Weezer said:
You're right, there is no perfect candidate. It's up to each individual voter to decide who they want to elect. But we can demand the parties run better candidates and not the schmucks they've been running.

Also, everyone has varying degrees and different continuums. You seem to hold everyone to YOUR opinion. That's not how it works. Like it or not, the people elected Trump. Yet you continue to bellyache, claiming the election wasn't legitimate. It's like you refuse to accept reality.

I don't blame you for despising Trump. I'm not a fan either. But I also don't support upending the government to undo a legitimate election, and it was a legitimate election. No amount of bitching changes that fact. If you want him gone, then don't vote for him in 2020. But ultimately the people will decide. It shouldn't be the parties or Congress or anyone other than the people, unless you can absolutely prove he has committed a crime worthy of removal from office. And thus far, he hasn't even been impeached, let alone faced trial in the Senate.
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How can we demand parties run better candidates? I don't think I've seen you once call on the republicans to put up someone other than Trump in 2020.
Of course everyone has (or at least should have) their own degrees and continuums, and they should either believe theirs is correct or change it.
I'm still holding out hope that they prove a crime worthy of impeachment or invoke the 25th.
Ultimately the people do decide, that's what makes propagandized ignorance so delegitimizing.
 
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Septic said:
Put the recording out for us all to hear, easy peasy. Let the public decide if the whistleblowers interpretations were accurate - or was there a reason the recording was put on the super secret server post haste?

I mean, if'n I'm Donny and the phone call was "PERFECT" - I'm declassifying it and releasing it to shut shumer and pelosi down.

Weird he's not doing that.
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I thought I remembered that there was no recording. Of course, there's the NSA - wonder if the WH got to opt out of that; if not, the dims know all about finding friendly FISA judges.

One thing I'll definitely admit to being confused about but haven't felt the need to look into. Just where was Trump when he made the phone call, how many people were there, and how many people were on the line? Sure seems like it much have been a crowed place with whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork.
 
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Weezer said:
She lied about her ethnicity for years and benefitted from it. How dishonest she is relies on opinion. IMO, she's pretty dishonest. But of course, she matches your politics, so you're going to defend her.
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I stated earlier that if she knowingly lied for advantage that it's despicable. It's even Trump-like.
 
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VolnJC said:
Oh so you didn't like what was in it and want more...I thought it was a smoking gun and you guys didn't need anything else? Maybe the 2nd Whistleblower wrote it down while they were over "the shock" of the call
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Nobody said I didn't like it, I'm simply suggesting that common sense implies that if it was "perfect," why only release a "memorandum of recollections" instead of the actual tape?

You're ducking the obvious and it's funny to watch you try and spin it.
 
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evillawyer said:
If by singing you mean a song where the refrain is "I do not recall," I agree with you.
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He's not that bright and will likely be coached on how to answer. I hope they only ask him to answer one or two part questions, he's unreliable past that.
 
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Septic said:
Nobody said I didn't like it, I'm simply suggesting that common sense implies that if it was "perfect," why only release a "memorandum of recollections" instead of the actual tape.

You're ducking the obvious and it's funny to watch you try and spin it.
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I read it and honestly didn't have a huge issue with it...the favor wasn't about Biden it was about the 2016 elections which had been proven the Ukraines tried to dig up dirt on him and he wanted to make sure of the reforms
 
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Weezer said:
Again, the Dems could have chosen someone other than Hillary as well. I actually believe if they had, there's a very good chance a Dem would be in the WH. But they didn't. Yes, the Republicans chose Trump, but the Dems chose Hillary. Both sides are at fault, yet you keep deflecting from that.
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I personally don't believe Hillary is anywhere near Trump's level of horrendous despicability. She is a victim of 30 years of right wing propaganda. What Trump has faced for two and a half years from the left is what Hillary faced for 30 years from the right.
The thing that most made Hillary an undesirable candidate in my view was the knowledge of how much propagandized induced HDS was out there.

Of course we've had this same conversation multiple times.
 
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luthervol said:
I personally don't believe Hillary is anywhere near Trump's level of horrendous despicability. She is a victim of 30 years of right wing propaganda. What Trump has faced for two and a half years from the left is what Hillary faced for 30 years from the right.
The thing that most made Hillary an undesirable candidate in my view was the knowledge of how much propagandized induced HDS was out there.

Of course we've had this same conversation multiple times.
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Not even close
 
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VolnJC said:
I read it and honestly didn't have a huge issue with it...the favor wasn't about Biden it was about the 2016 elections which had been proven the Ukraines tried to dig up dirt on him and he wanted to make sure of the reforms
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Of course you didn't, that's kind of the point. I'm suggesting it was potentially scrubbed of damning language.

You're aware that this is the WH's "version" of what was said, right? Not what some non-partisan independent arbiter determined.

Instead of there being any optic of impropriety, release the actual tape in its entirety. Put up or shut up.
 
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evillawyer said:
Pretty bad if even the Fox guys are calling out Trump on this one for having no proof yet.

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Maybe there isn’t actual proof against Biden. I certainly have no idea whether there is or isn’t but right now I don’t see any actual proof of what you say Trump has done either yet you don’t see that at all.
 
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