The Impeachment Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
Yes. Vindman echoed the same concerns which were raised in the complaint. He is not the whistleblower, but said virtually the same things.
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So nothing wrong with the call or the "transcript" of the call just concerns? Political/policy differences between him and the POTUS is what his testimony boiled down to.

Hell of thing to throw away a career on.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is an outright lie. Obama was not separating children from their parents, with no plans in place to ever reunite them, as was the case with the Trump and Sessions policy.
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LOL.....I love how you and the loony media cover for your little do-nothing god Obama....he does still walk on water w/you in total belief....he does no wrong......at all....Still slobbering all over him just like 3-4 years ago.
Obama could shoot someone in the head outside his $30 Million dollar house beside the ocean with the media there in broad daylight and you & the media would say it wasn't him that did that........double standard complete.
 
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luthervol said:
Thanks for the news update. I got news for you. America has long been respected by many, deservedly so.
America is losing that respect among the ones who most matter, deservedly so.
Twist and turn any way you wish. Doesn't change the facts....Trump is poison and he's poisoning America's image.
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Who are we losing respect from? Canada? Mexico? Germany? France? Uk? Other than the 3rd world country the others have something in common.
 
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hog88 said:
So nothing wrong with the call or the "transcript" of the call just concerns? Political/policy differences between him and the POTUS is what his testimony boiled down to.

Hell of thing to throw away a career on.
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You are way off base. Vindman's concerns were based on his belief that there was something seriously wrong with Trump's attempts to leverage military aid to the Ukraine and a coveted White House visit, against Zelenskyy's willingness to assist Rudy Giuliani's efforts in investigating Hunter Biden. The problem that Vindman was expressing wasn't exclusive to the July 25th phone call, although, he was on it.

Your assertion that Vindman has "thrown away a career" suggests that there will be a reprisal made for his cooperation with the impeachment inquiry. That isn't something that any of us should want. It's a rather despicable notion.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is an outright lie. Obama was not separating children from their parents, with no plans in place to ever reunite them, as was the case with the Trump and Sessions policy.
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Obama built and was housing kids in the same “ cages “ that Trump is . The argument I see all the time is that Trump is keeping kids in cages and that’s just horrible . The protesters and activists use “kids in cages” for the shock value , not the zero tolerance policy .
 
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hog88 said:
So nothing wrong with the call or the "transcript" of the call just concerns? Political/policy differences between him and the POTUS is what his testimony boiled down to.

Hell of thing to throw away a career on.
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Let's just leave out the part where Trump mentions Joe by name..

You know, "policy differences"
 
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0nelilreb said:
Obama built and was housing kids in the same “ cages “ that Trump is . The argument I see all the time is that Trump is keeping kids in cages and that’s just horrible . The protesters and activists use “kids in cages” for the shock value , not the zero tolerance policy .
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The argument is that the detention policy of Trump, which was set forth by Sessions, involved separating children from their parents, with no plans or even the means in place, to ever reunite them later. That was indefensible. I don't give a damn about any stupid cages.
 
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hog88 said:
So nothing wrong with the call or the "transcript" of the call just concerns? Political/policy differences between him and the POTUS is what his testimony boiled down to.

Hell of thing to throw away a career on.
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The whistleblower heard from someone’s buddy in another cubicle. All hearsay, but we know they are never Trumpers paid by Schitt.
 
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hog88 said:
So nothing wrong with the call or the "transcript" of the call just concerns? Political/policy differences between him and the POTUS is what his testimony boiled down to.

Hell of thing to throw away a career on.
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Vindman should just run for office, he doesn't like the current policy he should run to change it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are way off base. Vindman's concerns were based on his belief that there was something seriously wrong with Trump's attempts to leverage military aid to the Ukraine and a coveted White House visit, against Zelenskyy's willingness to assist Rudy Giuliani's efforts in investigating Hunter Biden. The problem that Vindman was expressing wasn't exclusive to the July 25th phone call, although, he was on it.

Your assertion that Vindman has "thrown away a career" suggests that there will be a reprisal made for his cooperation with the impeachment inquiry. That isn't something that any of us should want. It's a rather despicable notion.
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Belief is useless without proof and so far there is ZERO proof of any quid pro quo demand or offer. Reading the links posted it sounds like he disagreed with Trump's policy towards Ukraine and his admission that he thought it might hurt bipartisan support for them really hurts his case.

Yeah, he threw away his career. He won't be forced to resign or anything but he'll be reassigned to someplace he doesn't want to be and he'll never see his bird. It's what happens when you step outside the chain of command without rock solid evidence.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are way off base. Vindman's concerns were based on his belief that there was something seriously wrong with Trump's attempts to leverage military aid to the Ukraine and a coveted White House visit, against Zelenskyy's willingness to assist Rudy Giuliani's efforts in investigating Hunter Biden. The problem that Vindman was expressing wasn't exclusive to the July 25th phone call, although, he was on it.

Your assertion that Vindman has "thrown away a career" suggests that there will be a reprisal made for his cooperation with the impeachment inquiry. That isn't something that any of us should want. It's a rather despicable notion.
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To believe that, @hog88 would have to believe that the NSC staff disagreed with Trump about this Ukraine “policy” more than they disagreed with him over North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, etc. policies.

Talk about LOL.
 
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hog88 said:
Belief is useless without proof and so far there is ZERO proof of any quid pro quo demand or offer. Reading the links posted it sounds like he disagreed with Trump's policy towards Ukraine and his admission that he thought it might hurt bipartisan support for them really hurts his case.

Yeah, he threw away his career. He won't be forced to resign or anything but he'll be reassigned to someplace he doesn't want to be and he'll never see his bird. It's what happens when you step outside the chain of command without rock solid evidence.
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There is plenty of proof that Trump was leveraging military aid to the Ukraine against assisting Giuliani's investigation. Trump withheld the aid days before the July 25th phone call, and the Ukrainian's were aware of this on July 25th. They knew what would get Zelenskyy his White House visit and they knew under what conditions they would receive the aid. And Vindman never stepped outside the chain of command. You are trying too hard to be a Trump flunky.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are way off base. Vindman's concerns were based on his belief that there was something seriously wrong with Trump's attempts to leverage military aid to the Ukraine and a coveted White House visit, against Zelenskyy's willingness to assist Rudy Giuliani's efforts in investigating Hunter Biden. The problem that Vindman was expressing wasn't exclusive to the July 25th phone call, although, he was on it.

Your assertion that Vindman has "thrown away a career" suggests that there will be a reprisal made for his cooperation with the impeachment inquiry. That isn't something that any of us should want. It's a rather despicable notion.
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I'm so glad you were there in the room w/them to read minds of these so-called honest people on the left.
 
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