The Impeachment Thread

That post was about what was proven yesterday, only. Not considering the depositions.

You say they haven’t proven anything but then when you cite to “If they had, it would be on the news” which makes it seem like you’re not really paying attention even to the news and haven’t followed what is actually happening.

Why do you think this place was spammed with articles about Vindman being a deep state spy for the better part of 2 weeks?
I didn’t ignore the media yesterday. In fact it was all I had access to. And no I didn’t just go to Fox News. I included CNN,CBS, and ABC. I admittedly tend to avoid MSNBC as my opinion is they are clueless.

And in reviewing multiple media sources I really didn’t see any new bombshells. Peoples minds are made up by this point and I didn’t hear anything new that was ground breaking. 🤷‍♂️
 
I'm guessing more proof of Trump's guilt.
This all started because Trump said he cares more about investigations than he cared about Ukraine.
This come 3 months after the phone call that Gordans staffer reported after "supposedly" hearing. Nothingburger. Those guilty Dems in the Barr web grasping for anything.
 
Sad thing is that FOR 3 YEARS the Dims have been trying to find something on Trump....anything. They still have jack squat. Where is the evidence for any of this???? Russia collusion? Nothing. Ukraine? Nothing. There is an election in a year. The American people will likely re-elect Trump over any of the dim candidates, and that drives the left crazy. So crazy that they are willing to grind Washington to a halt for nothing more than hear say. This proves one thing: Liberals are even more brain damaged than I ever thought.
Trump and OJ seem equally guilty, or some may say, not guilty.
You claiming no evidence exists paints you as the brain damaged one.
 
Pelosi caught on hot mic clearly agitated with having to defend the Schiff show and journalists mocking her afterwards

I actually feel bad for her, I am sure schiff convinced her that would be a "bombshell" Can you imagine how hard it is defending that pencil neck weasel?
 
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I didn’t ignore the media yesterday. In fact it was all I had access to. And no I didn’t just go to Fox News. I included CNN,CBS, and ABC. I admittedly tend to avoid MSNBC as my opinion is they are clueless.

And in reviewing multiple media sources I really didn’t see any new bombshells. Peoples minds are made up by this point and I didn’t hear anything new that was ground breaking. 🤷‍♂️
Like I said: it’s one day. Two witnesses. The celebrations are premature. Most of the stuff Republicans are doing endzone dances over is addressed by other witnesses. We know that because of the depositions.

Biggest takeaway from yesterday should have been:
Since WW2 the industrialized nations have lived under a set of rules that established a peaceful world order. When Russia invaded Crimea, they broke a central tenet of those rules: respect for sovereign borders. We can’t bomb them or we risk starting WW3. We can’t do nothing or we risk them starting WW3. We also gain a number of collateral benefits from this union, like watching how Russia conducts warfare in the modern era. Finally, we have (for decades) including during the Trump era, attempted to reduce corruption in foreign countries and this wasn’t an action that furthered that goal.

Basically, the argument that this was a legitimate action to serve American interests died a gruesome, fiery death yesterday. It wasn’t well publicized because the democrats suuuck at this but nobody watched that testimony and came away honestly saying those guys didn’t know their craft and they effectively shut down any narrative that what delaying aid for investigations into Burisma served any American interest.

Based on what I’ve seen of their testimony, other witnesses will establish other things. The nexus to Trump is the only thing that’s “in question” as that’s up to Sondland but at this point there is almost no wiggle room for him to say he wasn’t ordered by Trump (because how else would he have known it was a mistake to tell Taylor that only the WH meeting was conditioned on investigations? Who else could have corrected him on that?)
 
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I’m the one still in the camp of “they haven’t proven anything” remember? In fact I can remember an assessment from yourself on yesterday’s **** show that the case was fairly weak in a four point post you made?

Also I was in here yesterday. Couldn’t get to a TV but fortunately I can mail it in a tad for a week or so thus I camped on VNPF mostly.
They had their star witness clarify he heard it from someone who heard from someone that heard from someone that hates Trump.
 
Like I said: it’s one day. Two witnesses. The celebrations are premature. Most of the stuff Republicans are doing endzone dances over is addressed by other witnesses. We know that because of the depositions.

Biggest takeaway from yesterday should have been:
Since WW2 the industrialized nations have lived under a set of rules that established a peaceful world order. When Russia invaded Crimea, they broke a central tenet of those rules: respect for sovereign borders. We can’t bomb them or we risk starting WW3. We can’t do nothing or we risk them starting WW3. We also gain a number of collateral benefits from this union, like watching how Russia conducts warfare in the modern era. Finally, we have (for decades) including during the Trump era, attempted to reduce corruption in foreign countries and this wasn’t an action that furthered that goal.

Basically, the argument that this was a legitimate action to serve American interests died a gruesome, fiery death yesterday. It wasn’t well publicized because the democrats suuuck at this but nobody watched that testimony and came away honestly saying those guys didn’t know their craft and they effectively shut down any narrative that what delaying aid for investigations into Burisma served any American interest.

Based on what I’ve seen of their testimony, other witnesses will establish other things. The nexus to Trump is the only thing that’s “in question” as that’s up to Sondland but at this point there is almost no wiggle room for him to say he wasn’t ordered by Trump (because how else would he have known it was a mistake to tell Taylor that only the WH meeting was conditioned on investigations? Who else could have corrected him on that?)
I didn’t watch it I just saw the abbreviated coverage. And I didn’t read that narrative coming thru anywhere. I will say that the narrative as you presented it in your post is one I can get behind. But I just didn’t get that message anywhere.
 
I didn’t watch it I just saw the abbreviated coverage. And I didn’t read that narrative coming thru anywhere. I will say that the narrative as you presented it in your post is one I can get behind. But I just didn’t get that message anywhere.
I suspect it’s a touchy subject for Democrats to get into because Obama did, effectively, nothing, which Republicans hammered from time to time.
 
He's one of the trump whisperers, but he doesn't rise to the supreme highest exalted level of Hannity.
Ah. I view Hannity as hyperbole anyways. I also dont watch much national news. I stay local and with national stuff I watch the source material and think of my own take. Like yesterday, I watched the hearings and came up with my own opinion on it. Couldnt care less what Tucker or Hannity or Cuomo or Wolf Blitzer thinks.
 
Trump calls Sondland on his personal cell phone while he is eating at a restaurant in Kiev. At the very least Ukraine has that call recorded and you know Putin does as well. That's just the start....how do you discuss government work on a personal cell? How stupid does one person have to be?
 
Trump calls Sondland on his personal cell phone while he is eating at a restaurant in Kiev. At the very least Ukraine has that call recorded and you know Putin does as well. That's just the start....how do you discuss government work on a personal cell? How stupid does one person have to be?

Let’s hear it then.
 
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Everyone with half a brain sees the increasing likelihood of Trump's guilt.
and Dims are doing exactly what the majority of Americans felt had to be done.
Thanks for proving our point. You just said “increasing likelihood of Trump’s guilt”. So then you agree nothing has been proven. Got it. I’m glad we agree.
 
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Most agree that Trump will be impeached in the House and then the Senate will try to put Hunter Biden and Joe Biden on trial and then absolve Trump.

This will all lead to a very close and contentious election where the President will have a few advantages: incumbency, Electoral College edge, unlimited financial resources, and booming economic conditions.

In short, 2020 would be a landslide for a generic Republican, but is in question with Trump.

What do you disagree with here?
That Trump will be impeached in the House. I don't think it gets to a vote.
 
Says you. There’s no evidence of it at this point.
I told you the evidence.

Vindman witnessed Sondland demanding investigations in exchange for aid.
Sondland admitted it.
Sondland told Taylor the game plan way back in June.
Sondland revised the game plan on September 1st and said he was mistaken that only the White House visit depended on investigations.
The aid was actually held up.
Trump asks for the investigations in the phone call.
Mulvaney admitted it.

In what universe is that “no evidence?”
 

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