The Impeachment Thread

[hUTch2002]

It's people like you that let OJ walk.

I think Johnnie Cochran was a Democrat so that’s ironic.

 

[hUTch2002]

I told you the evidence.

Vindman witnessed Sondland demanding investigations in exchange for aid.
Sondland admitted it.
Sondland told Taylor the game plan way back in June.
Sondland revised the game plan on September 1st and said he was mistaken that only the White House visit depended on investigations.
The aid was actually held up.
Trump asks for the investigations in the phone call.
Mulvaney admitted it.

In what universe is that “no evidence?”

You have contradictory info in your own post. So which is correct in your opinion (that’s all we have anyway), that the White House visit was conditioned upon investigations or something else?

 

[hog88]

Trump calls Sondland on his personal cell phone while he is eating at a restaurant in Kiev. At the very least Ukraine has that call recorded and you know Putin does as well. That's just the start....how do you discuss government work on a personal cell? How stupid does one person have to be?

Maybe Ukraine and Putin will release the transcripts from that call and all the ones Hillary made using her personal Blackberry while SOS.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

Let’s hear it then.

Believe me everyone in that room today would love to hear that convo. My guess is you can add this to the list of ways to leverage Trump when you need something. Unbelievable.

 

[RockyTop85]

You have contradictory info in your own post. So which is correct in your opinion (that’s all we have anyway), that the White House visit was conditioned upon investigations or something else?

There’s nothing contradictory in my post.

Talk about moving goalposts... if you just take them down, nobody can score.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

Maybe Ukraine and Putin will release the transcripts from that call and all the ones Hillary made using her personal Blackberry while SOS.

They won't, they will throw it in the pile of tapes they have to compromise him. And you can take the whataboutism Hillary to the trash she wasn't the POTUS.

 

[Weezer]

It's people like you that let OJ walk.

Racist, considering the make up of the OJ jury.

I'm not being serious, but if someone from the right said this, someone from the left would be absolutely serious when saying it.

 

[luthervol]

Ah. I view Hannity as hyperbole anyways. I also dont watch much national news. I stay local and with national stuff I watch the source material and think of my own take. Like yesterday, I watched the hearings and came up with my own opinion on it. Couldnt care less what Tucker or Hannity or Cuomo or Wolf Blitzer thinks.

Props.....need more like us.

 

[Weezer]

There’s nothing contradictory in my post.

Talk about moving goalposts... if you just take them down nobody can score.

My problem of a true smoking gun remains. How do you prove Sondman's actions conclusively came from a Trump order? Even if the likelihood is great, should you be able to impeach a POTUS without proving it conclusively? Is their a memo? A recorded conversation? Anything that shows beyond doubt that Trump directed Sondman's actions and words?

And to be honest, if this was all over a WH visit, and not over the actual aid, it weakens the case IMO.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[hog88]

They won't, they will throw it in the pile of tapes they have to compromise him.

Shouldn’t they have enough to make him jump like a puppet? You know, repeal all of the sanctions, quit selling lethal arms to Ukraine, get out of the way in Syria so they can build that pipeline. You know things that Putin really wants?

 

[Weezer]

JMO, but AOC doesn't exactly help with public perception of impeachment.

AOC Says Impeachment Necessary to Unite Dems, Stop ‘Potential Compromise of the 2020 Election’

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

Shouldn’t they have enough to make him jump like a puppet? You know, repeal all of the sanctions, quit selling lethal arms to Ukraine, get out of the way in Syria so they can build that pipeline. You know things that Putin really wants?

Syria is already taken care of, Trump has expressed in reducing or removing sanctions but there is still a shred of credibility in the senate and you can't do everything Putin wants at once or it will be obvious in regards to Ukraine is my guess. If I have someone by the short and curlies I run the long game and when I have everything I want I dispose of them. Putin is smart, he can play this game.

 

[hog88]

Syria is already taken care of, Trump has expressed in reducing or removing sanctions but there is still a shred of credibility in the senate and you can't do everything Putin wants at once or it will be obvious in regards to Ukraine.

LOL

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

LOL

You really think we pulled out of Syria because Trump wanted to remove our soldiers from the Middle East?

 

[RockyTop85]

My problem of a true smoking gun remains. How do you prove Sondman's actions conclusively came from a Trump order? Even if the likelihood is great, should you be able to impeach a POTUS without proving it conclusively? Is their a memo? A recorded conversation? Anything that shows beyond doubt that Trump directed Sondman's actions and words?

And to be honest, if this was all over a WH visit, and not over the actual aid, it weakens the case IMO.

I agree. I don’t think the WH visit matters. He’s not obligated to do that and it’s not a matter of national security.

As far as the tie to Trump, here’s the relevant evidence so far from depositions and yesterday, as I see it:
Somebody had to order the aid withheld. Sondland can’t do that.
Trump asked for these investigations in the phone call.
Sondland, in September, tells Taylor he “made a mistake” and that “everything” was contingent on announcing investigations.
Later tells him there’s “no quid pro quo” but if the Ukrainians don’t announce investigations they will be “at a stalemate.”
Giuliani is involved in all of this.

How you weigh that is up to you.

 

[hog88]

You really think we pulled out of Syria because Trump wanted to remove our soldiers from the Middle East?

You haven’t been paying attention have you? We didn’t pull out of Syria we actually increased the amount of troops.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I agree. I don’t think the WH visit matters. He’s not obligated to do that and it’s not a matter of national security.

As far as the tie to Trump, here’s the relevant evidence so far from depositions and yesterday, as I see it:
Somebody had to order the aid withheld. Sondland can’t do that.
Trump asked for these investigations in the phone call.
Sondland, in September, tells Taylor he “made a mistake” and that “everything” was contingent on announcing investigations.
Later tells him there’s “no quid pro quo” but if the Ukrainians don’t announce investigations they will be “at a stalemate.”
Giuliani is involved in all of this.

How you weigh that is up to you.

I think the one constant that has come from all of this is that everybody involved would love to choke the ever loving **** out of Rudy with their bare hands. He had/has Trumps ear in all of this and it hasn’t served Trump well at all.

 

[PeaceCorpsVol]

You haven’t been paying attention have you? We didn’t pull out of Syria we actually increased the amount of troops.

We completely destabilized the northern section and allowed Russia to move in, just like they wanted.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You haven’t been paying attention have you? We didn’t pull out of Syria we actually increased the amount of troops.

We did. And that’s utter BS. We need to get the hell out of Syria today.

 

[luthervol]

Thanks for proving our point. You just said “increasing likelihood of Trump’s guilt”. So then you agree nothing has been proven. Got it. I’m glad we agree.

I said anyone with half a brain sees the increasing likelihood of Trump's guilt. Anyone with at least three quarters of a brain already knows he is guilty.
So then no, I do not agree that nothing has been proven. Got it? I'm glad you're starting to catch on.

 

[RockyTop85]

I think the one constant that has come from all of this is that everybody involved would love to choke the ever loving **** out of Rudy with their bare hands. He had/has Trumps ear in all of this and it hasn’t served Trump well at all.

Rudy Is certainly going out in a blaze of glory. Seeing him get indicted by the USA’s office he used to run would be poetic.

 

[Ty4Vols]

Thread recap:
Republicans: no firsthand info!
Democrats: because Trump is blocking their testimony...
Republicans: we need to hear from the whistleblower!
Democrats: why? Did you already forget your first defense.
Republicans: no quid pro quo
Democrats: not required to be a crime but there is one how do you not see it?
Republicans: read the transcript
Democrats: uh...we did
Republicans: we always do quid pro quo.
Democrats: ......wait what?
Republicans: it cant be a crime because they didn't know we were holding up the money.
Democrats: yes they did
Republicans: not according to today's testimony. You're wrong!
Democrats: you do realize people with firsthand info have already testified and those transcripts have been released right? These 2 guys today were just the first to come back in public...
Republicans: we need transparency those previous testimonials were taken behind closed doors. Not fair.
Democrats: yall passed those rules when investigating Hillary...did you forget?
Republicans: what about Biden?
Democrats: what about him?
Republicans: what about the server?
Democrats: what about it?
Republicans: deep state!
Democrats: all of these people were appointed to their positions by the current administration.
Republicans: see you still don't have firsthand information. Gotcha
Democrats: you have to be f'n kidding...
Republicans: Time to call everyone by their nicknames. Shifty and Nasty are crooks.
Democrats: how do you know this?
Republicans: I heard it from someone who heard it.
Democrats: you guys are morons...
Republicans: but the economy!
Democrats: yes unlike Bush after Clinton Trump after Obama has not crashed the economy.
Republicans: the left are communists
Democrats: Trump is literally working for/with Russia.
Republicans: but he pulled our troops out of the middle east.
Democrats: where do you think Saudi Arabia is?
Republicans: liberals are all stupid.
Democrats: you guys wear ugly hats.
Republicans: we need to hear from the whistleblower!!!
Democrats: we need to hear from Trump, Pompeo, Mulvaney, Bolton, Pence and many others.
Republicans: why?
Democrats: to get the firsthand testimony you guys want and to get to the truth.
Republicans: the President has the right to not cooperate with this witch hunt part 2.
Democrats: do you guys hear yourselves?
Republicans: no Democrat will win if they impeach Trump.
Democrats: see the last election and the current Kentucky and Virginia elections.
Republicans: voter fraud
Democrats: where's your firsthand information?
Republicans: make America great again!
Democrats: do you see the double standard?
Republicans: you never answered about Biden or the server.
Democrats: it was Russia that interfered
Republicans: no it wasn't it was Ukraine
Democrats: says who with firsthand information?
Republicans: Trump and Q
Democrats: but Trump didn't go to the Ukraine and Q is anonymous so that's secondhand info?
Republicans: is this where we are to acknowledge our hypocrisy....
Democrats: waiting....
Republicans: Trump 2020!

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Weezer]

I agree. I don’t think the WH visit matters. He’s not obligated to do that and it’s not a matter of national security.

As far as the tie to Trump, here’s the relevant evidence so far from depositions and yesterday, as I see it:
Somebody had to order the aid withheld. Sondland can’t do that.
Trump asked for these investigations in the phone call.
Sondland, in September, tells Taylor he “made a mistake” and that “everything” was contingent on announcing investigations.
Later tells him there’s “no quid pro quo” but if the Ukrainians don’t announce investigations they will be “at a stalemate.”
Giuliani is involved in all of this.

How you weigh that is up to you.

My problem is we already know how those who decide will weigh it. In the eyes of the Dems, he's guilty. In the eyes of the GOP, he's not. That's why I look for something that truly defines which is true. Partisanship should never be the reason a POTUS is impeached. I think you need definitive proof, and without some concrete evidence, I'm just not sure the Dems have it.

 

[luthervol]

My problem is we already know how those who decide will weigh it. In the eyes of the Dems, he's guilty. In the eyes of the GOP, he's not. That's why I look for something that truly defines which is true. Partisanship should never be the reason a POTUS is impeached. I think you need definitive proof, and without some concrete evidence, I'm just not sure the Dems have it.

How do you weigh what Rock Top laid out?