The Intel Leaks Thread

[turbovol]

The Zelensky embezzlement "story" is obvious disinformation---total nonsense---pushed by Russia/pro-Russian sources.

 

[turbovol]

You beat him to the punch.

Yea? You disagree with the points I make? Feel free to counter my assertions....if you can.

 

[Vol8188]

The Zelensky embezzlement "story" is obvious disinformation---total nonsense---pushed by Russia/pro-Russian sources.

Just like Hunter’s laptop

 

[NorthDallas40]

Very problematic. I would expect to see some heads roll well above this guys pay grade but something tells me he'll eat this shizz sandwich alone.

Somebody or bodies messed up multiple times for this kid to even be able to put eyes on that info, TS clearance or not.

 

[KB5252]

Yeah I agree with others, either something doesn't add up here or this kid is just really immature and stupid. If it is the later, it makes me really question the vetting process to get access to this type of information.

This..........

 

[KB5252]

OK...

So are we to believe the leaks or not?

 

[KB5252]

Good with it when the govt is lying to the American public. Would he have leaked these docs if the govt was telling the truth re: Ukraine?

Yes, because he was doing it to impress some buddies in a closed group.

 

[KB5252]

Why are we giving such high level access to state level national guard? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. If he were deployed, maybe. But while state side? Not sure what necessity there was for this kid to have such access

This is what I don't get. There no reason a state gaurdsman should have access to this info. There are serious issues with security clearances.

 

[SamRebel35]

What "lies" did the government say about Ukraine precisely?

The leaks have basically pointed out that Ukraine is nearly totally reliant on the US. And if Zelensky had his way, he'd send long range missiles into the hearts of every major city center in Russia which would bring China majorly into the fold and would start WWIII. So, basically, we are on the brink of WWIII because of the US strategy and unlimited support of Ukraine.

 

[Vol8188]

What's the betting line on wait time before your next dumb post?

It’s possible that post was dumb. I mean if you could provide me a valid reason for Obama pardoning “Chelsea” but not Edward Snowden (who actually provided the public with extremely useful information), I’ll reconsider.

Until then it seems like “Chelsea” was released because “she” is a part of a privileged class that the left treats with kid gloves

 

[85SugarVol]

Can it be government incompetence if it's a government engineered conspiracy? I'm just not sure how this works.

Is it an Incompetent Administration -or- Conspiracy Leak?

What if….. it was an “incompetent leak”

 

[gcbvol]

It’s possible that post was dumb. I mean if you could provide me a valid reason for Obama pardoning “Chelsea” but not Edward Snowden (who actually provided the public with extremely useful information), I’ll reconsider.

Until then it seems like “Chelsea” was released because “she” is a part of a privileged class that the left treats with kid gloves

Not taking a stance either way, but Manning did spend 7 years in prison while Snowden fled to an adversary. If he voluntarily returned I think there's a good chance he'd face little to no prison time, assuming there is no evidence he divulged classified intelligence to Russia.

 

[hog88]

Not taking a stance either way, but Manning did spend 7 years in prison while Snowden fled to an adversary. If he voluntarily returned I think there's a good chance he'd face little to no prison time, assuming there is no evidence he divulged classified intelligence to Russia.

Snowden would have been buried under the jail and never saw the light of day.

 

[gcbvol]

Snowden would have been buried under the jail and never saw the light of day.

I don't disagree. I'm saying if he returned now that's not likely to happen due to precedent like Manning.

 

[gcbvol]

Snowden would have been buried under the jail and never saw the light of day.

You do bring up an interesting 'what if', though. Let's say he did stay, faced trial and was imprisoned. Who gets pardoned? Both, Manning only, or neither?

I don't see any way pardoning Manning only would fly. It would have been both or neither.

 

[hog88]

I don't disagree. I'm saying if he returned now that's not likely to happen due to precedent like Manning.

If he returned today he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

 

[Vol8188]

Not taking a stance either way, but Manning did spend 7 years in prison while Snowden fled to an adversary. If he voluntarily returned I think there's a good chance he'd face little to no prison time, assuming there is no evidence he divulged classified intelligence to Russia.

If that’s the case why not offer a pardon in return for his return at the same time they pardoned manning? I don’t think it would be a hard deal to workout

 

[turbovol]

The leaks have basically pointed out that Ukraine is nearly totally reliant on the US. And if Zelensky had his way, he'd send long range missiles into the hearts of every major city center in Russia which would bring China majorly into the fold and would start WWIII. So, basically, we are on the brink of WWIII because of the US strategy and unlimited support of Ukraine.

Ukraine needs long-range missiles to destroy Russian bases, depots, etc. in /Crimea./ Doing so would be HUGELY helpful to Ukraine and substantially improve the chances of its coming counter-offense. Right now, Ukraine has almost nothing that reaches deep into Crimea. I'm not sure why the U.S. has refused the long-range missiles. Maybe for the reason you state--but Ukraine's leaders are smart; they're wouldn't do anything stupid to jeopardize their U.S. support.

 

[gcbvol]

If he returned today he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

Maybe, but I'm not convinced due to precedent. Especially in our current environment.

 

[MontyPython]

The leaks have basically pointed out that Ukraine is nearly totally reliant on the US. And if Zelensky had his way, he'd send long range missiles into the hearts of every major city center in Russia which would bring China majorly into the fold and would start WWIII. So, basically, we are on the brink of WWIII because of the US strategy and unlimited support of Ukraine.

Actually the leaks prove the United States has forced Ukraine to not shoot any long range weapons into Russia, thereby preventing China from entering the fold, thereby preventing World War III. Thus your theory is 100% defunct.

 

[tvolsfan]

My observations:

I think the leaks are real and the documents are real. However, with regards to some of their "intel" with regards to Ukraine, they are relying heavily on information that the Kyiv regime is giving them. This is nothing new. Back in 2015 or so when Jen Psaki was the State Department spokesperson, she got blasted in one of her daily conferences by a reporter for admitting that the info they were getting was coming from Ukrainian social media.

Basically, we don't have diplomats and we don't have intelligence officers.

This is Rasputin’s way of saying he will selectively consider the parts unflattering to the US to be true, and the parts unflattering to Russia to be untrue.

 

[turbovol]

This is what I don't get. There no reason a state gaurdsman should have access to this info. There are serious issues with security clearances.

The guy's unit was charged with gathering top-secret intelligence from various sources (U.S., Nato, Ukraine, others, I presume) and then packaging it
for senior military/government officials around the world. I've got nothing against young people, but it's a big and sensitive job for a 21-year-old, who indeed could now be facing serious prison time under the Espionage Act, with which he's been charged, for apparently wanting to impress his online gamer friends A hole in the net.

 

[tvolsfan]

Ukraine needs long-range missiles to destroy Russian bases, depots, etc. in /Crimea./ Doing so would be HUGELY helpful to Ukraine and substantially improve the chances of its coming counter-offense. Right now, Ukraine has almost nothing that reaches deep into Crimea. I'm not sure why the U.S. has refused the long-range missiles. Maybe for the reason you state--but Ukraine's leaders are smart; they're wouldn't do anything stupid to jeopardize their U.S. support.

Yeah, I’m not sure what the big ‘revelation’ about Zelensky is. Of course he would like to attack Russia.

 

[hog88]

You do bring up an interesting 'what if', though. Let's say he did stay, faced trial and was imprisoned. Who gets pardoned? Both, Manning only, or neither?

I don't see any way pardoning Manning only would fly. It would have been both or neither.

No, I think Manning still gets his sentence commuted and Snowden rots in prison.

Snowden ran and I'm not in favor of him receiving a full pardon, had he released his info and faced the music he should have done time but no more than a decade. Manning didn't run and if he would have gotten 10 years with a dishonorable I think that would have been just. He didn't deserve to have his sentence commuted at 7 years.

 

[KB5252]

The guy's unit was charged with gathering top-secret intelligence from various sources (U.S., Nato, Ukraine, others, I presume) and then packaging it
for senior military/government officials around the world. I've got nothing against young people, but it's a big and sensitive job for a 21-year-old, who indeed could now be facing serious prison time under the Espionage Act, with which he's been charged, for apparently wanting to impress his online gamer friends A hole in the net.

Agree, I'm also not sure this is work for state gaurdsmen either.